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The Couple's Table
Tom is a FINALIST for Creator of the Year!
Celebrations and milestones take center stage at The Couple's Table as we revel in Tom's exciting nomination for Rode's Creator of the Year Awards. Imagine the thrill of being recognized alongside an eclectic mix of solo creators from all walks of life and channel sizes. That's exactly what we dive into, sharing the unique elements of these prestigious awards and what it means to be a part of such a celebrated community. Heather and I share our heartfelt gratitude for the recognition while also navigating the ins and outs of the voting process with our supportive live audience chiming in, making it a truly joyous occasion.
But the episode isn't just about celebrating the present—it's also about reflecting on the journey of growth that every creator experiences. We explore the transformative path from creating those first awkward ten videos to building a formidable content portfolio. With insights into the various stages of a creator's journey, we discuss how initiatives like Rode's emerging creator award shine a light on the early years of content development. While gear might make a brief cameo in our conversation, the real star is the process of growth itself, with all its unique challenges and enriching experiences. Join us as we toast to achievements past and present, and look forward to an ever-evolving creative future.
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Hello and welcome. My name is Tom and I'm Heather.
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Speaker 1:Happy Friday everybody. Tom's checking the audio.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I think it's great. Great, I hope so, so you do not have a.
Speaker 1:You are hands-free today. Oh yeah, I can just go here. I mean, I'm hands-free too. What's up, guys?
Speaker 2:My audio shouldn't change. What's over here? Everything should be fine.
Speaker 1:We'll see, we'll see you are so excited I am really excited. All right, everyone checking in Bailey says excited to see tom nominated. We will talk about that. Dominated parker jennings. Hey, hey, sean, good to see you. Hello everyone. Bon is here. Hi everyone, charles, hello everyone. Is that the hollyland wireless kit?
Speaker 2:no, this is the sennheiser profile profile wireless which I am really excited. I just got it yesterday, so this is the first time I'm using it. That's why I was like oh, this is good, it looks very different. It looks 80s Like. This looks like a 1980s device, and I mean that in a good way, and because of that, that's actually where I wore my VHS hoodie.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love this hoodie. Look how cute that is.
Speaker 2:I am a VHS cover.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is your.
Speaker 1:So I have two very exciting things I would like to announce. Yes, the first is Ta-da, it is Handles is One year anniversary, yeah.
Speaker 2:It looks really like you're going to lead into a sponsor segment here.
Speaker 1:So, if you don't know, tom and I are obsessed with Handles, and the location they opened up right next to us, has been opened up for a year officially as of today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so guess where we're going for that, not because we're going to go anyway.
Speaker 1:But they posted it on their social media and I was like so we'll see you guys tomorrow. So that's what we're going to be doing after this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, handles, sponsor us Chocolate dipped, but OK, uh, so that's what we're going to be doing after this?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, handles, sponsor us, but okay, seriously, though. Next, the next thing I want to talk about is hold on, give me a second to pull it up. What? You're gonna get from handles uh, oh yeah, whoo tom is a finalist for road road's creator of the year awards. Yay, here's the creator of the year awards. We talked about this. Uh, last couple stable, didn't we?
Speaker 2:I think we did, but you couldn't vote yet and they opened up voting. I think it was from now till the 27th-ish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you haven't gotten a chance to vote, I put a pinned comment. Shout out to all you guys who've already voted yes.
Speaker 2:thank you very much.
Speaker 1:But there's five person in each category and I'm actually surprised that I didn't recognize more people.
Speaker 2:To me that just shows how big YouTube is, Cause I was going through some of the channels and like there's a lot of different, there's creators from different backgrounds or different countries, different languages, lots of different channel sizes, Like there's, you know, there's my channel, there's people with a couple million, there's people with a couple thousand. So I couldn't really find like a through line in terms of those types of things for who was selected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is cool and I think I've mentioned this several times, but I'm really excited about for just you know. First of all, congrats. Thank you, so well-deserved.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Okay, number one. Number two, though what I really like about Rhodes, creator of the year awards, is that I feel like the awards that do exist for creators are they recognize, like the, the mega huge youtube creators, and it's so nice that, from what I've seen, it's a lot of just the one person yeah channels, it's just, you know it's.
Speaker 1:There's no studios behind these channels, it's just the one person doing it, which is how, you know, started. So I like that they're supporting one person, creators and channels of all sizes and all different kind of niches and stuff like that. So, like you know, just as a fellow creator, I like that something like this exists. And then, more importantly, I'm excited that you're a finalist.
Speaker 2:Thank you. It's a huge milestone, it is exciting and I appreciate everyone voting that's like it feels weird to ask for votes.
Speaker 1:Yes, I got messages from people that were like Tom, make sure that Tom like actually acknowledges what this means, because we know him and we know that he's going to be like okay guys, yeah, vote for me.
Speaker 2:No, I have graphics. I've been sharing stuff on the social medias. I have it's very email thing. But yeah, you know it's, there's different categories, so there's there's like three. I think there's three final awards you can win. You can only win one of them. Two of them are chosen by, like a panel, and then one is the people's choice, which is the voting one yeah, so the the criteria for the panel was audio quality, visual quality, originality and personality oh, we got this in the bag, baby but I'm just excited, I really.
Speaker 1:It closes on november 26th, so there's plenty of time to vote. And you do have to, like you, register with your email, just so people don't just spam the votes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had someone say like, oh, it's crazy, they need to. They make you create an account. I'm not creating an account. I would vote for you, I'm rooting for you, Congrats, but I'm not making an account, which I totally understand. Please don't do anything you're not comfortable with. But yeah that, If it were just non-trackable voting, I guess you'd call it yeah, then one person can make 200 Gmails, and then there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you do get 22 votes. You can only use one vote per person, but you can go through the different categories and vote for different people and stuff. So that's kind of cool if you find other people that you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you want to vote for one of my other favorite channels it's actually the only other one on here that I recognize, and it's in the Adventure and Outdoors category, and it is.
Speaker 2:An honor to be nominated alongside.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's Adventuring with Nala. I think his name is Chris.
Speaker 2:I actually don't remember, the dog is Nala.
Speaker 1:The dog is Nala. Yes, oh my gosh, I think don't remember. The dog is Nala. The dog is Nala yes, oh my gosh, I think it's Chris. But anyway, I have been following them on Instagram a lot for a very long time and I just really like how he approaches his content. But also, nala is the most adorable golden retriever Second, second to Ben, thank you. But yeah, just the way that he handles the whole thing like sponsorships and like the way that he builds his community it's like really cool.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so I like so far of the two creators that I know. It seems like a really cool group of creators yeah, it is yeah don't wait, go for tom yeah all right, let let's check in with the comments. Let's see Hosek Mac is here. Hi everyone. I'll have to visit handles if I go to NAB. I don't know if they have one in Vegas, but we are excited to meet you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Congrats, Charles. Jake got his vote in Thank you. Thank you, yes, bailey. I find it interesting that video podcast is a whole category. I feel like that wasn't there last year yeah, that's a new, that's it is interesting.
Speaker 2:They broke that out, which is cool. Yeah, also clearly. Oh, I mean I guess they did just release, like right, the roadcaster video oh yeah so they'll be like, hey, the category that we're entering into king paco, you deserve it.
Speaker 1:Gill is here. Hey, everyone, everyone Cahen what's up. Congrats, tom, for the nomination.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And Josh says just finished my walk listening to last week's episode, Stopped in quickly just to say hi.
Speaker 2:Nice. Hello Josh, Perfect timing.
Speaker 1:All right, so what's up, tom?
Speaker 2:Well, today's episode's creator growth, growing as a creator.
Speaker 1:Growing as a creator. Growing as a creator, growing as a creator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some fun stuff to talk. I mean, I had like little gear tidbits but I don't know if we need to go into those.
Speaker 1:We can stay on topic. I mean, we can definitely talk about the gear tidbits, but we can do. Let's do the topic and then we'll go to gear tidbits.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, maybe some of it could even go. So why did we come up with this topic? I think it was, I forget, I forget what even led to us coming up with this specific topic of growth, but it was sort of like we've touched on this before, that it is different when you're making your first 10 videos versus your, you know, three, four, 500th video. Yeah, and it is different in your first year, which is why, like Rode, even has an emerging creator channel or creator award, where it's like gift to create your channel 2023 or four. So that's a different stage than oh, yeah, it's a lot of that. Sorry, it's all coming back to me.
Speaker 1:It's been.
Speaker 2:It's been a crazy week, if you didn't know. So we've been having lots of discussions, but the things you have to figure out and navigate and I was actually just doing a podcast with Louis Mr Camera Junkie, who's not going to be in the chat because I think he's streaming on Ecamm's Spanish channel right- now, oh wow.
Speaker 2:But we did a podcast this morning and we talked about a couple things that I thought really tied into this, and the term that popped into my head during a lot of it, which I really like and I feel like it's something to explore here, is creator literacy, and that is something that is well, so here's. Here's an example. Actually, I have a comment this was a negative comment I got yesterday that I wanted to share. I don't know how to put it.
Speaker 1:I'm not literate enough to pull it up for you, tom, pull it up for you tom.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is a comment I got on my roadcaster duo video yesterday.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know if you guys can see this. I know we're at the top. Click here because I can't let me make this a little bit smaller.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah okay um, and this is one of those things where it's like normally I would probably just delete this, but every once in a while these types of things pop up, and it's not that I want to just reply to that person, but I also want to reply for anyone who happens to read it and see it, knowing that other people will see it, yeah, and so this person said look, okay.
Speaker 2:So, first of all, the Rodecaster duo was one of those things where Rode sent it out and I didn't have no obligation to make a video about it or anything like that. So I say that in the video, I say that in the description, and this person says look, let me tell you what a sponsorship is. If you got something for free keyword for free, it's sponsored. Can you stop saying that something is not sponsored, but it is when you paid nothing for it? And then they just shifted gears and like I'm using the streamer x, so let's me stream at 4k or 1440. They just went back on topic.
Speaker 2:It was very strange, um, but this is a thing that pops up a lot, though, in my um, sorry, where's the screenshot? Actually, I'm gonna take it off right now. This is the thing that pops up a lot, though, in my Sorry, where's the screenshot? I actually want to take it off right now. This is a thing that pops up a lot for me is companies send something for free? That means it's sponsored, not sponsored. It's always driven me crazy and my views on this have always been like I know the difference.
Speaker 1:Well, the problem is that, like there's no set definition, and so the viewer sees what a sponsorship, they have their own definition. Creators have their own definition.
Speaker 2:Broadcast legal-wise, at least in the US. There is a set definition, but it doesn't always match what the viewer's definition is.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, it usually doesn't. It usually doesn't.
Speaker 2:And so this is one of those things where it's sort of like navigating that literacy and it pops up. It popped up in a stream a couple of years ago where, for me, I always want to make sure people know everything. Like, if something was sent for free, I want to make sure people know that if something was sponsored, they need which is how it should be done. Like that is how it should be done. I never want to make people think that something you know, a brand, didn't send something when they did, or whatever. A couple years ago, I was watching a live stream from, like, a youtube coach that was about sponsorships. I was like, oh, let me see this and the big problem they were addressing there was people essentially saying that not sponsored content was sponsored because newer creators wanted, like, the clout of being sponsored oh, they were just saying it was sponsored it was the exact opposite and it was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2:It wasn't that they were just saying it was sponsored, but they would get something for free. And you know, a company sends them a phone case or whatever and they're like, hey, sponsored by phone case, I'm sponsored now and it's like no, getting the free product does not always equal sponsorship. And that was interesting to me because that's like the exact opposite of what I'm saying, like it's something that you're avoiding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it really kind of highlighted this thing that you have to deal with, because the clearest thing is when something is sponsored, when a company like yesterday I did a podcasting how to get started with podcasting video. Yeah, it's very long, it's almost 50 minutes long, but it's everything you need like A to Z to get started. That was my idea to do that video. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've been wanting to do that video for a long time, yep, but last month, buzzsprout, the podcast host company, reached out and said hey, you want to do sponsored content. Is there anything that you would like? You know, do you work? And I was like, oh yes, this is a big idea I've had, but I've been putting it off because it's such a big project. Um, so making it sponsored would be great. And they're like cool, um, and so they paid to make sure that, like I say, it's sponsored. It worked out, because when I get to the part of the video about like, doing podcast hosting and stuff like, that is just my podcast host, so it kind of makes sense. Right, you probably were talking about anyway, um, and then the other thing is in the middle of the video there's a two minute segment that is just a dedicated. You know, here's the the like ad segment that's like, hey, use them, they have these features, they do this thing, or whatever. I got to write the whole video. They, they didn't tell me what. They didn't even tell me what to say. Sometimes, though, in sponsored things like that ad ad reads, or whatever companies will say like hey, touch on these points, make sure you mention this. Whatever Sponsored stuff does mean a little more directed Like.
Speaker 2:I did a sponsored video with Sennheiser last year and they were like, yeah, do whatever you want. The big thing was like, especially because it was announcing a brand new. I was the video announcing a new product. They're like for this video, just please don't include like other gear in it. Like don't. And I was like, okay, so I will do a follow-up video. That is this microphone compared to all the others. This is a showcase. It's not a review because it's sponsored, but that was. You know.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they'll say like hey, you know, can you think of this? Can you highlight this? Can you do that? Um. And since, luckily, over the years, I've been able to work with only companies that I kind of vibe with really well, there's never been an issue with that Um. But that's sponsorship is like company does have more direct control and traditionally that includes an exchange of money, like we will pay you money to make this video or say this stuff or whatever. The grayer area is videos in exchange for gear and that stuff, and that is where you can have two things that look exactly the same but are different. So if company says, hey, we're going to give you this thing, let us know what you think about it, no obligation to do anything about it. That's not sponsored. If you get it and you're like this is cool, yeah, I feel like I want to make a video about that's not sponsored there's no promise of exchange.
Speaker 1:There's no promise, there's no expectation. Yeah, there's no, anything which I think is a lot of where the misconception lies yes, because I feel like people feel like well, why wouldn't they? Why would a company just send you something for free, with no expectation of return?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean, and the answer to that is that companies aren't dumb. They know like, well, I mean the, the, what is it? The? The cost is so low, like they're. They're giving you this thing at cost, unless it's something insanely expensive. Yeah, it's probably a pretty minimal loss on their part for even the chance that like could end up in a video at some point.
Speaker 2:And, in my case, companies. What they do say a lot is like we just want feedback, we want you to use this and tell us what you think about it. Obviously, they're not going to argue if you want to make a video about it, but like, that's what they're looking for. That is different, because there are other times where they say, hey, we'll give you free product if you make a review on it. Yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to say what you have to say in the review or preview it or anything, but you will only get the thing if you make a video on it. That teeters on that. You could argue it's sponsored in that case, because they're giving you a thing to make a video. That is the click the paid promotions button on youtube, because you received it to make the video right. Um, and that's where things just get like. It gets a little confusing because the end result for the viewer is a lot of the stuff looks the same because they don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:What is happening behind the scenes?
Speaker 2:and so anyway. So going back to this, my reply to this with that context in mind. Going back to this, my reply to this with that context in mind. Going back to this person's comment, my reply to them was I get where you're coming from, but it's not as simple as that, both in terms of how platforms work and within the bounds of one government well, government regulations. I'm always up front if something is provided for free or if a video is actually sponsored. So hopefully that keeps things clear. Some creators take free gear in exchange for making videos, which is totally fine, but I don't do that. Receiving something free doesn't mean I'll make a video about it, but I do offer to share feedback to the company if they'd like.
Speaker 2:Real sponsorships include payments or products in return for creating content, and that is very different, because they can sometimes include more direct input from a brand or have specific points to include or whatever it might be. Saying that anything oh, this actually isn't the whole comment. Saying that anything free is sponsored is a misnomer, in the same way that saying sponsored content is organic and that was where it's like. The same way, you wouldn't want to, you wouldn't want to not acknowledge that something's like this video sponsored, but I'm not going to say anything. Yeah, when something's not sponsored, saying it is also now like right, you're implying that this brand is endorsing you in a certain way. You're you're implying a different relation, a different level of all this stuff, like it's also a problem and so I don't know. I mean, I don't know where to go from there. But this is a tricky area where it's like it looks black and white, where this guy's just screaming at me in all caps over here.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it's also that thing of like I've told this story many times on this channel where Ecamm, which is the program that we use to make our videos live stream, do the pop of the chats and all that. It's like, you know, a program like OBS. Ecamm is a subscription software, um, and I could have gotten it for free, but because on my tutorial channel I wanted to make a lot of videos about ecam and I didn't want to have to say, hey, this is spot, you know, or I got this for free because you have to, I feel like you should disclose that we can talk about that.
Speaker 1:That has evolved a little bit, but yes, so I don't know if you need to disclose it or not, but I just didn't. I feel like it hits differently to the viewer when you know that I'm in the same position as you. I'm paying for the product I have, you know I'm, I'm in the same uh, you know place where you are evaluating things against your budget. So am I, and I believe in this product. I'm paying for it, you know, and I feel like it has more weight it simplifies things too, because you don't have to even worry about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 1:I don't like intentionally. Yeah, you know and and there's thought behind it. But I see these are the things where it's like just because you got this for free does it like.
Speaker 2:I guess people think that like, um well, people don't realize that you're saying no to a lot of other free things yeah, and, and the people will sometimes be like, oh, so they're just kind out of the kindness of their hearts and it's like I understand how a company's marketing department works, um, and you know people say like, oh, but you made a video anyway. I bet if you stopped making videos about it they would stop sending you stuff. Mean, there's lots of stuff I've been sent that I've never made videos about, and also fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If I wrote sent a bunch of stuff and I didn't make videos on it and they were like, well, we're not gonna send them any more stuff, that's fine, I think. And the tricky part is, of course there are creators who I know want to milk this and they want the free products. They harass the companies for it, they do, but I have found those typically aren't the long-term creators, that's. There's sort of like a level where that just doesn't fly.
Speaker 1:Well, I do think that you know to tie it back to your creator of the year award thing. I do think that this is a it's a big deal for you who is getting you know, recognized as a finalist for this in your seventh year of doing YouTube and you're still a one person. You know one and a half, but, like you know, at the heart of it a one person creator. I feel like, by the time you're in your seventh year of doing YouTube, you're either have a team or you are done. Yeah, stop.
Speaker 1:Right, and that that's but, but I think you know, our whole thing is like sustainability right uh, I don't want to say enough is enough, but it's like we definitely, you know, we have a vision of what success is for us.
Speaker 2:That doesn't necessarily well, there's there's limitations if you're going to be a one person or one two person crewperson crew. There is a ceiling, right. There's just so many hours in the day, so much stuff you can do. You will never get to a certain point.
Speaker 1:That's also choice, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so is that okay. Are you making that choice? It's the same way that if you choose to take on a team and choose to take on infrastructure, you will never have the simplicity of being the one person.
Speaker 1:So I guess that's the growth right, because it's like if you, if we know that we have decided to to accept that limit, how else do you grow? You know, how else do you? And that's where that's.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and so much. I mean, I don't mean to overlap too much on oh, that echoey.
Speaker 1:See, that's what I thought, I think you're talking into my mic. Sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm also turning to you. That's my bad.
Speaker 1:I'm going into here, so I'll try to be on here Because I have nothing here.
Speaker 2:It's easy for me to turn and talk to you, which is actually really nice, but yeah, I think then we're picking up.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's check in real quick. Josh says keen to hear tom dabble into his sponsorship feels regarding the success financially with his ethics, because we know tom leaves room hungry with all the money left on his plate.
Speaker 2:Trying a tom pun a lot of lettuce left on that plate uh, kane says weird flex, but okay yeah regarding the hate comment kind of weird, but he probably just wants to flex, maybe yeah, it's, it's the thing of like, it's almost like, ha, I caught you yeah, yeah, and that's the gotcha, and that's happened too, because I put out my ethic statement of how I handle things and sometimes there I've gotten messages where people go through that and they try to like go ah, you said this, but you did that, and it's like this isn't a challenge, Like this isn't like that kind of a game.
Speaker 1:Well, I think the thing that throws people off with you is that you are so transparent with your integrity. Like there's an ethic statement that I, you know it's like okay, fine, not everyone, people can't see, like what really goes on behind the scenes. But uh, you know, I have seen and you've made it very public that people have to, companies have to be okay with your ethics statement. That is very brand unfriendly before they even get to open the email to send to you right, yeah, and that's you know, and but that's not I don't know anybody else who does that?
Speaker 2:not everyone. Well, I mean, there are people, thankfully, and a reason that I always have wanted to be so open about that, transparent about it, so other people get the idea to do it too and to know that it's okay, because I feel like it helps you know if space yeah, and, if you like, for example, even doing a sponsorship if you go, hey, here are my rates and it's what I actually think I'm worth and this video is worth if a company says no, because some other creator will do it for $100 yeah like well that kind of hurts everybody because now you're setting the the value for everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you're setting the value. Yeah, the bar for everybody. Yeah, exactly, shut the hell up, we are the same person. Let's see which road interface should you purchase?
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know anything about the Don't listen to your oh, don't listen to your negative, listen to your positive, yeah, and that's. I mean that's a thing. Oh, don't listen to your negative, listen to your positive, yeah, and that's. I mean that's a thing too, where it's like Doc Rock from Ecamm, speaking of Ecamm, was a huge thing on that. Where it's like don't try to please the people who have no interest in helping you succeed anyway. And so, for example, like for a while because this whole thing got so muddy of like when do you take something, when do you don't take something that my thought was like I'll just not take anything, and that way it's never an issue, because everything I have is just something I bought.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's not the answer it's not the answer, because what happens is which is crazy and is really cool, like it's the thing you kind of want to respect is as the channel grew or as you grow in your niche and you just keep doing things, people start asking for your opinion on things because they want to know what you think yeah.
Speaker 2:so in my case, for whatever reason, people want to know like, hey, what do you think about this interface, this microphone, whatever, and I could just say, sorry, I don't, I don't have it, I'm not buying it, and that could be the end of it. Or if that company happens to go, hey, you want to check it out, I can go yes, and then I can check it out, share my thoughts on it, and then the person who actually values what I do gets served from it.
Speaker 2:And that's the person I want to take care of, not the person who's going to hate what I do, no matter what Right. There you go, that's it and so it I I can't afford to buy all these things, which is why I'm clear in the videos I'm not telling you to always buy anything, I'm just yes, looking at this, because we have chosen to not grow past a certain point, so can't buy everything.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's see. Hopefully the echo is good now. Call me.
Speaker 2:We're getting too close, too chummy over here. What are we married or what?
Speaker 1:Jake says I always say sponsorships will come with a 1099 form at the end of the year.
Speaker 2:That's kind of a good way to look at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is kind of a good way to look at it. Hey, johnny, what's up?
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, hey yeah um, there was so much more, but I oops um.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because we're talking about creator growth and I think I can't remember how I know we thought about this last night, but I can't remember well a lot happened, because I did the podcast with mr camera junkie this morning and that kind of changed my like.
Speaker 2:It got me thinking about different things, sure, um, especially with, like the creator literacy thing, because one thing we talked about was and this was really interesting actually, so I apologize if this ends up rehashing stuff, that ends up on that, but it was. There's two things One is cookie cutter and the other is this is where I thought of the literacy thing and it's like how different it's why you're doing something. So, for example, if you do like we were talking about the new Apple computers that just came out, like the M4 computers. Apple refreshed their whole lineup. There's tons of new computers and they're starting to see like the first wave of reviews and stuff from people who bought them, and a lot of them are the the exact same video.
Speaker 2:It's here's the computer, here's some slick looking b-roll, here's all the tech specs, like comment, subscribe. And what we were talking about is like I can go to apple's website, I can go to bnh and get that info, like give me something else, even if you don't give me everything. So meaning like tell me how something. Like tell me how this computer is fitting in your workflow, even if that means you're not using every feature, every power, whatever, because I might not need every feature either but if our things align, then you've just made the most valuable video in the world for me, because it's exactly what I need.
Speaker 2:It's not just like the tech specs, but I think there is a thing, especially in the world of like camera and tech reviews, where, for example, a channel like gerald undone he's known for in-depth tech breakdowns, like tech spec breakdowns, and his channel does very well, his videos do very well. He's very, very well respected in the niche and so I think other people, when they make their videos, they look at that and they go that's what I need to do, yeah, but what they're doing is they're they're just including tech specs, benchmark scores, whatever, and that's the end of it and that is completely missing the point. And that's where, like the literacy component. That is completely missing the point and that's where, like the literacy component is right, well, okay, so this is very relevant okay to what I'm going through on the gaming channel.
Speaker 1:Okay, because, like, okay, yeah, my eighth year of doing youtube feels like my first year doing the gaming channel. Like it feels like starting over, which is fun and I really thought I would have a. Well, I'm sure I have a leg up because I've experienced, I have. You know, I am definitely, um, not the person. I was on april 16, 2016, when I started my first youtube video, you know, and I I'm bringing that all to the table, but it's like, despite all that, there's still so many freaking things that I'm learning and one of the things is, um, exactly that where I I, even though I have been a lifelong gamer, I never watched gaming content right, never.
Speaker 1:I, I don't know why, it just never interested me. I think it's just because I, I just play video games and it didn't, I don't know it, just never. I never had the itch to like watch somebody else play video games, for it didn't, I don't know it, just never. I never had the itch to like watch somebody else play video games for some reason, unless it was very specific, like maybe I was looking for reviews or something, or you know how do you do this one thing in the game. Other than that I really didn't, uh, I don't watch anything and I I think that is an advantage yes because I can kind of define it.
Speaker 1:Uh, I want to say what ends up being a unique way, because I don't know any of. I don't know any better. Now, that includes I'm gonna have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to a lot of things. This is why things are done the way that they are, but it's also, I think, room for. I just got a comment this morning of, like I never comment on live streams and videos ever, but for some reason, with you, I feel like I want to connect, I want to share, I want to chime in and that, like I get a lot of those comments and I talk a lot about a game Final Fantasy XIV but I know like a lot of the comments I got this morning are from people who are not playing, that. They are not playing the game that I'm mostly talking about. So then I'm like, why are you watching?
Speaker 1:like yeah, I don't know, there's, you know, I mean there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there are channels I watch where it's like I I've watched car reviews. Not being in the market for a car, I've watched right phone reviews.
Speaker 1:I don't even care about phones, right?
Speaker 2:yes I watched audio hotlines. Audio hotline did a video today on the shore or not the shore the elgato and the road desktop mic stands. I literally already made that video and have it scheduled. It's just not out yet, but I watched his. I have both those things. I literally already made a video about it. Yeah, I do not need to watch that video, but I watched his. I have both those things. I literally already made a video about it. Yeah, I do not need to watch that video, but I really want to see him do his thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I don't even care what he's talking about. Yeah, and that, um, that's where it comes down to. Like the. The analogy that we used was like a baker like you have a professional baker and me and we have all the same ingredients to make like an amazing cake or whatever, and I could take all those ingredients, throw them, smoosh them together, toss in the oven and just end up with a burnt rock of terror. And they put that and pull out of the oven and it's beautiful, delicious thing. I think when you don't have that literacy as a creator, you see, like the ingredients, you need tech specs, you need B-roll footage, you need this. As a creator, you see the ingredients, you need tech specs, you need B-roll footage, you need this, you need that. You're not. You just try to smush it together and make a thing.
Speaker 1:This is what a gaming channel looks like.
Speaker 2:But you're not understanding the why. You're not the professional baker who knows. This is why I'm using this ingredient. This is why I'm using this much of it. This is why I do it in this order. It's not even that you have to have these things. This is why I do it that way. You know, like B-roll is a good example, I love shooting B-roll clips and stuff and I do think they help make videos more interesting. But sometimes you don't want it Like. I'm editing a video right now on this little camcorder that has a projector built into it, which is very cool.
Speaker 1:See, this is my little device, right?
Speaker 2:here. I love that thing. But there's a point at the end. There's a part at the end where I'm making a point. I have like some cool B-roll clips, a couple that I haven't used yet and I'm like, oh, this clip is really beautiful, it'd be nice to like include it right here. But at that part of the video I'm making like a what I feel is an important point to the camera. I want people to focus on it. I feel like seeing me say it. You can see the like earnestness in the thought.
Speaker 1:And if I just cut to a clip, no matter how beautiful of it, that's actually taken away from it, even though it's like I'm adding slick b-roll to my video, like well see, for me, especially since, like I've always thought, that a lot, a lot of what I bring to the table is, is you seeing me formulate the thought, because I feel like you can kind of see it in my face, and to cover it with gameplay just seems weird right, unless and that's.
Speaker 2:But there are times when it makes sense when it's appropriate that's where it's like.
Speaker 2:You know the. The example the reason I was talking about the m, the new m series computers, was I saw a thing it was on threads this morning. Somebody was like I've been watching, all was on Threads this morning. Somebody was like I've been watching all the M4 reviews and this is the first person that actually did more than just benchmark scores. No one else has even like opened Final Cut or done anything or whatever. And that's. And I was like, oh, that's because people are so in the. The ingredients are the tech specs, the B-roll, the, this, that and the other thing. They're not even focusing on the like this, that and the other thing. They're not even focusing on the data. They're forgetting even the practical application of it. And to me that was really interesting. That was kind of a moment where it sort of clicked. It's stuff that I think we're all doing already but you might not even know you're doing it or might not be conscious of it.
Speaker 1:I think it's important to identify those things. Yeah, definitely, jeremy says that Sennheiser box is like a fidget spinner. Oh my gosh, he's excited to talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll talk you would like. You would like this a lot uh, homesick, max, says.
Speaker 1:Singer. Songwriter mary spender has just announced that she's quitting all sponsorships and she's not accepting products sent to her.
Speaker 2:She'll fund it with contributions and memberships interesting but mary sponder spender has 74 747 000 subscribers, which maybe makes it easier I mean she's, yeah, she's also going on tour for a new out, like she has other outlets and a strong community. But also you could argue, 747 000 subscribers means she's turning down way bigger sponsorships and opportunities. She's made cause, yeah, there's, there's, I.
Speaker 1:I know that I've been involved in sponsorship campaigns where yeah?
Speaker 2:People with the same point of contact at the company producing the same, you know the same thing, like 60 second integration into a video, I might get paid like a four figure amount and they're getting a six figure. Six figure amount just because of audience size, channel size.
Speaker 1:So which is fair. Oh, yeah, yeah I'm not.
Speaker 2:I get it, but like that does mean that she's probably saying no to a lot right uh king parker says I purchased all my equipment because of you see, that means a lot, and that's why I want to talk to you I bought mine today, but my video will be very different.
Speaker 2:Mary lou and I talked about day one embargo videos, cookie cutter cookie cutter in the good way, right, because that's what lewis and I were talking about. And cookie cutter there, like growing as a creator. Um, not to again, not to rehash everything too much, but this is something that I started focusing on two years ago. Um, was not every video needs to be like a brand new approach to everything. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're good at this, but as a creator, sometimes you can, you know, you can feel like, oh, like I gotta love.
Speaker 1:Am I repeating myself?
Speaker 2:I'm not leveling things up. If you want to, if you want to go above and beyond, it's so hard though, Because it's like you never know what the but, if you want to like, if you as the creative person are like.
Speaker 2:I want to try a new camera angle. I want to try a new editing style. That's something you should do no matter what, because you want to. Yeah, if you just feel like, oh, like I've already done, this, will this make it better. Yeah, yeah, the a cookie cutter approach sounds negative, but if you think about what cookie cutters are for, they're for making things easy and consistent. And if you have a cookie cutter approach to your videos, like I have done lord of 60 microview videos how many different ways. If I try to like, level each one up and change it totally differently, I'm going to lose the entire. I'm going to lose the plot and I'm going to be like I'm skydiving right now while talking into the SM7B and it's like this is not now I'm just Mr Beast in my room.
Speaker 2:This is. This is not helpful versus like, and I think the point there is that when you make something, it takes up a huge space in your life and in your brain, because it's the thing you're focusing on, but in anyone else, it's a small part of their day, it's a small part of everything they're consuming. And if you think about restaurants you go to TV shows, you watch artists, you listen to. You like consistency. You want this restaurant to taste the same every time.
Speaker 1:You want this tv show, always disappointing when the new season doesn't match the previous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wouldn't want to listen to a band where every or an album probably, where every song is an entirely different genre you like. That's not what I'm looking for here, and I think remembering that is important when, like, if someone likes the way I do a mic review, I can just do a very similar version of that with a different microphone next time.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, and that you don't have to reinvent this whole thing yeah, and that's the thing you and I talk about a lot.
Speaker 2:Low effort doesn't always mean low quality oh, that's it.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's see, doc bought those dang hat clips mahalo right here still haven't put them up yet. Yeah, I really wanted to do that today I mean, there's hours left right yeah.
Speaker 1:So I got these uh hat clips I talked about on the huddle up, but these are really cool because, uh, actually do you want to point to it because I can't see it? Bam. So here you can see the thermostat and the light switch in my room and it bugs me, it really. It just like I feel like it. I don't know, I just my eyes always like catch it, and we have thought about all different kinds of ways to hide it.
Speaker 1:Uh, tom was thinking of just putting like curtains there, even though there's no window there just hang a, hang another curtain yeah, but then I was like I have so many hats and I was like, oh, I can store my hat, a lot of hats yeah, but well, that and like literally I figured I was already having a hat storage problem, and then I was like, oh, I can solve two things by hanging my hats there, so what's cool about these? So yeah, now I'm going into my review. So I love it, uh so what's cool about?
Speaker 1:these hats. So, yeah, now I'm going into my review. So I love it. So what's cool about these hats is that are these hat hangers? Is that you can hang your hats like this Right Normally. I think that's how a lot of people hang it Right now. It's all on a mic stand and they're all just like stacked on top of each other. But what's also cool is the way that I want to it is, you can fold your hat in like that, and then you can put it like this Boop.
Speaker 1:And so it's on the wall like that yeah, so then you can see the print and the pattern. Then I was going to have it just go down the wall.
Speaker 2:I think that's such a good idea. It's just tape.
Speaker 1:you know you don't have to. I mean you could. There is a screw hole if you want to do that. But that's what those are for. All right, let's see Morten is here. Happy Friday evening from Norway. Morten, it looks so cold in Norway. We have our cams on the world, cams that rotate so cold.
Speaker 1:In norway we have our cams on the world, cams that rotate, uh, there's. So there's quite a few norway cams and it looks so cold they're like all year round. But cheers to you. Uh, doc says I watched tom videos for tom. I have mostly all the gear already, but it's my way of keeping in touch with my parasocial relationship that became real life friends. Gail is here, hello hello. Balance the basic key points and show why this review item fits this specific case.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's where like a good example is. Like if I made a video about Photoshop, it's literally impossible for me to show you everything Photoshop can do. Even the people who work on Photoshop don't know everything Photoshop can do because they're broken into like teams, so let me just tell you how I use it, and I might be leaving half of it out, isn't?
Speaker 1:that. The point, though, is like you find somebody that you feel like you relate with because probably they're going to have a similar approach or a similar, you know, mindset in terms of, like, how you're using these things and so.
Speaker 2:But that's what I'm saying. If you lack that literacy as a creator to understand the purpose behind things and what you're doing, then you just see all the ingredients. You're like I need tech specs, I need full feature coverage, I need this I need embargo date. I need immediate release and it's like wait. Why do you need any of that?
Speaker 1:Tom, great points. There needs to be a framework, but not like all other videos. Kathy's here. Hello, happy Friday, cacophonous, cacophonous. That's totally helpful. We need that video. Jump, jump, jump, jump Crap. I now have to buy those two. Wait, that hat hanger is an actual product. I need one of those as well.
Speaker 2:I mean, it came in what Like a 16 pack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's an 8, 16, 16 modern jp modern jp. I just got these from amazon. This is not sponsored our product showcase mode is not turned on uh, but yeah, there's a pack of 16 in there, because I was like I don't know if I want to do two rows yeah, pretty sure I have 16 hats but it's just nice to have extra stuff yeah, anyway, I do it tom I'm good.
Speaker 2:I feel like. I thought I feel like I'm dominating no discussions that I don't want to. I put my vote in for tom by the way yay, thank you guys, thank you all, uh, if you've already voted yay, it's very exciting so as we talk about the road creator of the year thing, can I talk about the sennheiser?
Speaker 1:aren't they one of the things? Oh, no, probably not, no, yeah uh lacy says happy saturday morning from australia. Hello, lacy. Kathy says can I use my other votes for him as well? You cannot. You can only vote for tom once, but if you want to vote for somebody else, I mentioned this at the top of the hour uh, highly recommend adventuring with nala and follow.
Speaker 2:Follow their account on instagram, you will they're in the adventure and smile every single time you see their stuff.
Speaker 1:Nala does this really cute thing where she gets very excited and starts stomping her feet and they go on these gorgeous hikes all around the us and it's just, and the way that he does content is awesome, and even the sponsored ones, it all is like wow, this see, I like that you can find a happy medium where I don't feel like I'm being sold to, I feel like I'm being informed and like the company gets to get in front of eyeballs. The viewer still gets enjoyable content. The creator has fun creating.
Speaker 2:There's ways to do win, win, win, like there really are, and that's.
Speaker 1:He's such a good example of that. So, and as you are as well, Thank you. I don't know why I just hit you. I meant to like oh spousal abuse no, let's see Doc says we are giving away a Mac mini year of Ecamm Designed by Marshall and Moore.
Speaker 2:That Marshall, and more that's cool.
Speaker 1:There is a gift. Oh, that must be designed by Marshall. Is that like a course, Cacophonous? I will be using your Amazon affiliate link for this purchase, Yay hat hangers. Oh, thank you. Phil is my friend. I kind of dragged him into YouTube. He is in Honolulu with me, nice, all right, yeah, well, I got an interesting thing that kind of came up, which is, you know, kind of related to growth, sure, for the gaming channel, uh. But somebody asked me like how heather just play.
Speaker 1:Community members can support yes, that was literally just before the stream stream started yeah, that's why I was almost late, yeah, but I, I, I, I it's a. I feel like this is, it's something we think about a lot, um, but I think I'm determined, with this channel, to do it right, like I really want to do it right, in that I want to get paid by youtube. I don't want to. I don't want the members to feel like they have to support in that way, and I know I have to be like when I support my favorite creators.
Speaker 2:I don't see it as yeah, how do you feel that when people just, they just want to?
Speaker 1:I know it's, I don't know like they actually want to.
Speaker 2:They don't feel obligated. They like they're excited. I don't?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I see they actually want to. They don't feel obligated. They like they're excited. I don't know. I see this is I'm going to have to like figure out how I feel here. But like right now I have monetization on, I do feel like my revenue rate is, it seems, above average.
Speaker 2:We have discovered that a lot of your viewers are older than we are.
Speaker 1:Well, that, and like I think it's it. I think the key is older for the niche I'm in yeah so I think my revenue rate is higher than what I've seen, yes, on other channels because, yeah, you get paid.
Speaker 2:If you have a channel that's mostly geared towards children, for example youtube, you need a lot.
Speaker 1:You get less money from your ad revenue, because kids don't have money right.
Speaker 2:But if you, if you're leaning towards adults with disposable income exactly companies pay a lot more to, and also the countries like the countries that watch where your audience is, and all that kind of stuff too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I, I like my. You know, if I had it my way, all the money would come from youtube and no one would feel like they have to support in that way. But I also have to like wrap my head around. You know, I feel like there are people who would want to do that. Yeah, so I don't know well.
Speaker 2:It's a good example of just how growing as a creator it's different for everybody. Right like and you have to figure you're starting this new channel and navigating that. Someone like Mary Spender, like Mac mentioned, she has like such a huge community she can afford to turn off all her other sponsorship stuff and there's a community here. I know tons of creators like that.
Speaker 2:They have 5 000 people on their patreon who are each only paying a dollar right but it's like oh, you get five thousand dollars a month or five thousand dollars every time you put out a video I know and you have membership, so like, how come I can't wrap my head around also well? But but I don't have memberships to a point where I can turn off other things right and so like it, and that's where it's important.
Speaker 2:It's just because it's like what you see other people doing could be cool ideas and like things to think about. But it doesn't mean copy paste, right, because you have to figure out what's working for you. Even with my memberships, there's a thing where we're trying to figure out right now, which I'll be clear on here I probably have to close my patreon because it's been up for years and, as much as I appreciate everyone who supports there, it doesn't grow at all. But even without me trying, the youtube one grows yeah people go to youtube memberships.
Speaker 2:I would prefer patreon because I there's a lot of reasons I I lean that direction but like after four to five years of trying to choke it to life, it's just kind of like that's just not where people are going yeah, well, you're a youtube creator, so it's different yeah, but and but.
Speaker 2:There's reasons I prefer patreon. But it's like, okay, like I can try to beat my head against the wall and make this thing happen. That's just not going to happen. Or I can just look at like where the water is already flowing and just go there, you know, but that's different for everybody and that's why it's that's like I don't know. That is the hard thing to learn, as a creator is like, even though it feels like you're doing the same thing as other people, you have to figure it out for yourself and like okay, so a perfect example is like uh, so I have a, I have a discord server for heather display.
Speaker 1:It is awesome, it's like one of the cool, it's just so freaking cool members, every day too it's so freaking cool.
Speaker 1:I love it in there. If you're here and you're in there, I can't even tell you how much this makes me happy. It's like such a joy. It's the best. I think I can't. I feel like most like the business advice. The youtube creator advice would be hell yeah, put that behind a paywall. Turn on youtube memberships. People can't get in there unless they're paying. You know why would, especially if it's so magical and like there's such a fun experience. Why wouldn't you make that like that is valuable. Why wouldn't you let people pay for that value? It feels wrong to me and I want to keep that free. I don't know what that says.
Speaker 2:I admire that I, but that's the thing is like. There's here's what the good advice is, here's what my gut says yeah, and I exactly, and I can't. I wish I could explain like but it's a whole lifetime of experience.
Speaker 1:It's your entire, everything, creator and life experience, but it's like you know, historically both of us are known for leaving money on the table.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we're also both still making stuff after seven and eight years. I know a lot of people who didn't leave any money on the table and they were gone after three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2:So like and that's the whole point is like. I want to keep doing this. I know you know what is not. This thing to make a video about right now and spend my whole week working on Is this projector camcorder from 2013 that you cannot buy anymore.
Speaker 1:You can't even buy this thing, and Tom has spent so much time working and who.
Speaker 2:Everybody's phone is significantly better than when I have a roadcaster video with most of the features I've not even covered I know you can.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding you?
Speaker 2:know what I should be making videos about. But you know, what I'm like really excited to make a video about right now is this and you're having a lot of fun, and that's going to show. And that means then, when I make videos about the roadcaster thing, I made those because that's what I was really excited to make a video about that day and that week, and that's like yeah.
Speaker 1:Because now, if you're beholden to a schedule and you're making things that you don't want to make?
Speaker 2:That's when it all starts to fall apart. Yeah, and then you end up just the Resentment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's the ingredients. I it might suck like comment. Subscribe. Exactly, uh, okay. Uh, marshall fox makes the dopest show designs. He made all the cu branding. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Uh. Hey, everyone, what's up? Andre greetings from the other side of norway. This friday just traveled seven hours by car from east to west to bergen. Google bergen norway after the stream friendliest city for sure oh, that's cool, that's cool, uh, why not both?
Speaker 2:says kate oh, paid and unpaid, maybe like there, here's a free and whatever I have to figure out how I feel about the people paying.
Speaker 1:It just feels, it feels I don't know I don't know if I need.
Speaker 2:I should wait until this is where I do feel like channel memberships are a good thing and like I know, but the thing is the reason why I want to push back.
Speaker 1:Okay. So here's the gut reaction when I'm like, I know, but I don't want to feel the like okay, people are paying, now I have to what about this?
Speaker 2:what about this? I discovered you can do this and I put it on my website and people have actually used it, just like a paypal link or it's even like a buy me a coffee. There's zero expectation oh, actually some.
Speaker 1:I think it was persant that suggested that doing a a coffee for handles buy me a handles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and that's just that. That's you. You, of course, you can create memberships that don't say like I'm making something every week and every you know, now you've just doubled your workload because you're trying to please members.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I can't.
Speaker 2:There's ways to not do that. But you can also set up like people who want to support you and very few of the people I support on Patreon. I actually even want any of the bonus content of yeah, you just want to support them. Of course, I literally just want them to be able to keep doing what they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can care less about the behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:Yeah like I don't. Some of it is so niche I'm just genuinely not interested in it. I don't want to go into the Discord, like I don't want any of that. I just want you to be able to keep doing what you're doing and if your ad revenue takes a dump, it's nice to know that, like I'm part of the community that's helping you not be affected. Oh, I'm going gonna have to figure all that out. So I mean, there's, there's ways about, because I think it's the thing of, like I don't want to take any free products, okay, but what about, like the person who genuinely enjoys what I do, values my opinion and just goes like, hey tom, tell me about that new sennheiser thing? Oh sorry, like I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2:I've drawn this line in this, yeah, and they're like, but I yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1:Oh, Kay and I was talking about why not both for YouTube membership and Patreon? But that's what Tom's been doing for four years is he's had both on and you know, for his YouTube channel and by far, youtube is the one that continues to grow. By far YouTube is the one that continues to grow, whereas and I think that's just the nature of being a YouTube creator is that for Patreon you have to go to a different platform whereas YouTube actually has done a good job of integrating the membership.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they've grown from where it is now, from where it was when I started YouTube memberships to where it is now. It's grown a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gotten so much better. And so because I have both.
Speaker 2:I actually can't use a lot of the YouTube features, Like I can't do a members only live stream very easily because then the Patreon people can't be included, so it has to be like an unlisted stream. Every time we want to post something, it has to be posted and formatted to do different platforms. It it's more formatted to do different platforms. It's a lot more messaging to check and then the fact of the matter is, like you know, the Patreon only shrinks and the YouTube membership will only grow.
Speaker 1:Oh see, there Period, end of story.
Speaker 2:But as a creator, like I love Patreon's formatting. Their video quality is better for video updates. I love that it's not connected to a Google AdSense account, so that way it's separate eggs in separate baskets. I love that it's not connected to a Google AdSense account, so that way it's separate eggs in separate baskets. There's a lot of reasons I would say like, and we even thought when I said maybe I don't want to have both anymore. My impulse was close YouTube, do Patreon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go all in on Patreon it does not make sense, because that's not.
Speaker 2:It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:Well, I think back then too, when you started, I think attaching a credit card to YouTube was weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was different. But now I think it's like yeah, with like Super Chats and YouTube Premium and all this stuff. It's a lot more common now than it was just a few years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see Morten, nice to meet you. Oh, they're talking. I thought you were Swedish because of your name. Oh, they're talking.
Speaker 2:I thought you were Swedish because of your name. Oh, it's cute.
Speaker 1:I can see that. Wow, look at that. See Norway, swedish Gothenburg.
Speaker 2:That's where Peter's from.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, so I guess the moral of the story is well, here's one thing that I am really excited about and grateful for is like even in our seventh, eighth year of doing YouTube, it still is like so fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's fun to figure all this stuff out too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like even where I'm like, oh my gosh, do I do this? Do I do this Like seriously. At the end of the day, I might not look like I'm having fun, but it's problem solving, it's me being creative, I like tackling those things and thinking about it. Uh. So yeah, it's like I like that we're not jaded, I like that we're not over it I like that.
Speaker 2:We're still been lucky that the there's so many like awesome people drawn to, like the different channels and things, because because I've seen other people's audiences and I would definitely be jaded if that's what I was dealing with all day, every day, but it's like I don't know, your vibe attracts a tribe, as they say, attracts a tribe Ernesto's here.
Speaker 1:Hello there.
Speaker 2:Happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Good to see you. Yeah, I think um, I think it's cool. I meeting my potential every day, you know, and I like the challenge. So yeah, no, it's fun but it's also stressful as hell it can be yes, be very, very uncertain uh, kakopanis, can you post digital downloads in a members only area, like you can on patreon?
Speaker 2:I don't think you can no, I don't think so, but you know what youtube is going to revamp its community?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, but like they're they're they're working on their like members section on youtube. I think it is going to be. I think what they're trying to do is try to build a like an integrated patreon type of thing. Uh, so there's going to be a feed.
Speaker 1:I think people can not just the creator can post in the feed, but members can post in the feed yeah, I think formatting is going to get a lot better, I think digital downloads, because digital downloads, yes, will eventually probably come, because I think you could do courses now, which is basically digital right it's like digital, you know a form of digital download, yeah, but uh, k and question I know it's out of time, probably any plans for you to do an interview for, like veterans in final fantasy 14 content creator like jesse cox or someone like that, to give you input on anything?
Speaker 1:probably not.
Speaker 1:Well, the one person I'd love to talk to is jesse, because he just looks like someone just for fun, yeah, like just, I just feel like, based on what I've seen, uh, he's someone I'd love to hang out with, but um, no, I don't think so and it goes back to I don't trust myself to not, uh, play the comparison game. You know like I I'd rather, I'd rather like organically figure out how the pieces fit and why each ingredient is going in versus seeing how other people have done it, because then then I know I will do this.
Speaker 1:I know I will because this is what I've done for so long is like okay, now you have to make an online course, now you have to do a webinar, and you have to have a marketing funnel, and you have to do this and this and like I've got, I've done all. I've done the. Yeah, I've done the. This is what you're supposed to do, and it all led me to here and it's almost like you know, I don't want to be stubborn about it, but Everything you're doing now is what nobody, nobody, would recommend you're doing and it's working, the best of everything.
Speaker 1:It's the total opposite. It's the total freaking opposite, like every shoulda. This is how you're supposed to. I just like no, I don't want to do any of that. And it feels like it's working. And yeah, somebody could probably look at all my stuff and be like you can grow a lot faster.
Speaker 2:But it's uniquely you. No one else could do what you're doing, the way you're doing it. Yeah, and it's kind of like.
Speaker 1:I think I'd rather go the slow, sustainable route, uh, an organic route, for now at least, you know I mean, I kind of always want to. But yeah, if that makes sense it does andre, it's a sign nordic tour for heather and tom.
Speaker 2:I would love to honestly I mean peter has been trying to get us to visit for like two years.
Speaker 1:I know, oh, after this weekend I'd actually like to go back to this. Yeah, I don't know, it looks really cold over there, but yeah, so anyway, we're at the top of the hour, tom. Do you know what that means?
Speaker 2:that means before we go.
Speaker 1:I really want to share a couple things I was trying to read. What are you trying to tell me with your face?
Speaker 2:Okay, sorry, I got to go into a little bit of gear thing right now. Again, I'm new to this, but I saw Sennheiser came out with this profile wireless system and at this point there are so many little wireless systems. They usually come with one or two transmitters and receivers. There are so many different price points and I have the DJI one, which is phenomenal, the Rode ones, which are great. What more do you need? The Sennheiser? They came out with their own and they actually did something. That's not just copying the other companies and that's why I'm like I know this, this is crazy, but none of the other ones.
Speaker 1:The charging case is all. It's a microphone. This thing looks insane.
Speaker 2:It really looks like something from the 80s, but so here's what's really cool about it, though, and jeremy was like it's a fidget spinner. So, um, I have, the receiver is over there, plugged into the roadcaster right now, but what you can do is the receiver clips in here and you can still access the whole thing from here, so that means you could. This has a tripod mount on the bottom. You can plug this in just as like a USB microphone. You can use it as a wireless handle thing if you want.
Speaker 1:Do you see this? It's become a YouTube video. Yeah, it is what it is, deal with it.
Speaker 2:There's a built-in 2,000 milliamp hour battery in here. So I mean the other, like the DJI and the Rhodes and stuff, charge as well, but there's a big fat battery in here, which is why it's so big. There's a little trap door and then you've got all your little adapters.
Speaker 2:So if you want there in addition to your USB-C charging thing, what's really fun. I'm using one of the transmitters now. But check this out, like I said, you do it here. You hear that little click and then the transmitter is released and there's the two transmitters and I can pop it back in. It clicks in Look at that A button and it pops up a button and it pops up.
Speaker 1:How cool is that. And so when you're using this as a microphone.
Speaker 2:He's projecting his enthusiasm, you're using the transmitter and you can use it as a mic if because here, oh I don't know where, oh it's over there. I actually saw today on the osmo pocket 3. It comes with this rubbery case thing and actually saw someone clip their dji mic transmitter on top of that and use that. It's like a microphone handle. But now I mean, it's kind of cool, like you got this. Okay, you just want it to be a mic, you just want it to be your usb mic. That's awesome. Um, the receiver there.
Speaker 2:And then what I just figured out as this there's these things on the back that just says it has a picture of a heart with a cross through it, like no heart, and I was like why would I do that? Also, sorry, the transmitters are the only ones I've ever seen that have quarter 20 tripod mounts in the little clip so you can clip it quarter 20. The thing I was annoyed with was I had to take my DJI magnet and put it on here to be magnetic until I realized this little heart thing is the magnet and the reason it has a heart is it's saying don't put the magnet by a pacemaker if you see, you know what I thought it was.
Speaker 1:I thought it was like don't put it on your heart, because it'll be able to hear it oh, I mean I'm assuming. I think that's dumb, it's pacemaker.
Speaker 2:But no, it's not dumb actually at all.
Speaker 1:But I was like why would they have a heart on there?
Speaker 2:yeah well that I, because I didn't know you have to like lean it and then pull it and I was like why would they have a heart on there? Yeah, well, because I didn't know you have to like lean it and then pull it and I was like, what does this button do? Am I like turning, am I changing a setting? And it's like no, it's just where the magnet gets stored. But that's here's why I really like this. In addition to like. I'm hoping it sounds good because it is a Sennheiser systems. At this point they're pretty refined. At this point, they're all kind of the same and very uninteresting, and then Sennheiser shows up and actually does something different that nobody else is doing, and that is awesome. Like comment. Subscribe.
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's see, go go gadget microphone so versatile, kate. One more thing to say you don't have to play comparison game heather. Lately, 14 content creators were doing podcasts and sometimes enjoying discussing any stuff they possibly could, but understandable, yeah. So to go back to that really quick, I would definitely be open to doing something like that, where it's like we're just chatting, you know, it's like you talking to other content creators on. I guess you don't ever really do that on your channel but I'm actually in kat mullihill's newest video you are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, there you go make a little cameo yeah, but something like that would be fun. I'd be open to that. Um, gil says heather's doing a great job. I never thought I'd watch a gaming live stream and join in on it, right I I think you're a good gateway for a lot of people, myself included, like yeah, that I never thought. I can't even tell you how many people I had a 73 year old comment on a video. I have like a 60 year old. It's, it's just, it's cool.
Speaker 2:It's very unique.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just think it's cool. Uh, Billy Mays ain't got nothing on top. I want the transformer microphone.
Speaker 2:It's cool that it's great.
Speaker 1:I can't, you're so excited because it's different.
Speaker 2:Like I got the DJji and I was like this is like the epitome of this form factor, like this is, this is the ultimate version of it cat said the same thing about you, since she was a cameo in your video yeah, her cameo in my video is the cameo in her video. So it's sort of catseption catseption.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I can tell her yeah no cat, because she was.
Speaker 2:She did a video where she she took the roadcaster video on her trip to ecam.
Speaker 2:Creator camp yeah and she wanted to do. She was doing an interview there and so she was like here's how I expected it to go here. So it actually went. She kind of recapped everything and she was explaining that. Prior to that, the only time she'd ever like done something remote was when she was here visiting us and we did a studio, and so that was her reference point. But this was her like bringing all of her gear. Yeah, that was you just get to walk into an already set up studio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and probably you know.
Speaker 2:She literally logged into, like her YouTube or whatever and e-cam and stuff right there, so it was like everything's familiar. Yeah, versus like I have to bring everything set it up from scratch. Yeah, run the cables, find the space program, the thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's tricky, all right. Well, we are at the top of the hour.
Speaker 2:So we're going to go celebrate.
Speaker 1:handles one year All right guys, they are not a sponsor, but they really should be, because we talk about every stream. Here we go. First of all, let's talk about the flavor that Tom and I get this. Look at this there is a flavor called Buckeye.
Speaker 2:Which I actually do want to try, because it's got peanut butter and fudge.
Speaker 1:I love both, but this is the one that Tom gets.
Speaker 2:Brownie dough baby.
Speaker 1:It's chocolate, vanilla, ice cream layered with cookie dough and brownie pieces. Yeah, very similar to the one that I get, except instead of brownie I get Oreo. What is it called? Odo? That's the one You're way down there.
Speaker 2:Look at all these flavors you guys Made fresh daily at each location here.
Speaker 1:This is me Vanilla ice cream made with Oreo cookies and cookie dough pieces. Yeah, so you don't. You only have vanilla.
Speaker 2:Yours is only vanilla, mine's vanilla and chocolate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not down, yours has.
Speaker 2:Oreo and cookie dough, and mine has cookie dough and brownie bits, so that's the big difference.
Speaker 1:Brownie bits yeah.
Speaker 2:That Buckeye looks. I want to try the other ones. I mean I do, I have tried other ones. But I come back to brownie dough and I'm just like wow, they totally know us Like, know us, Like it's the same time tomorrow.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, okay, and he's so like please don't look at me. Like we can never return Because it's like we go in there with shame. Well, it's a drive-thru, so we're just like what, but I'm excited, I don't know. Just joined in time to say have a great weekend everyone.
Speaker 2:Yay Thanks.
Speaker 1:Mike, I moved into that shop.
Speaker 2:Now I understand why you two hit the gym. Yeah, I did buy a plyo box this week. Yes, you did, so we can get the jumps in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a giant 60-pound box in the living room so Tom can do box jumps.
Speaker 2:I didn box now it's always being used as a table in the corner, so it's like I can never use it all right.
Speaker 1:Well, that was fun that was fun uh, hope you guys enjoyed that and with that said, time to do a table.
Speaker 2:Thanks for watching. Hope you have a safe, happy, healthy, fun rest of your week and weekend and I'll see you next time bye.