The Couple's Table
The Couple’s Table is a weekly livestream podcast hosted by Heather Ramirez and Tom Buck. Join us, for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, as long as we both shall podcast and stuff!
The Couple's Table
From Vintage Tech to 4K Streaming: A Nostalgic Tech Journey and Modern Content Creation Insights
Ever wondered how vintage tech stacks up against today's cutting-edge gadgets? Join us as we take a nostalgic journey through the evolution of audio and streaming technology, from cassette tapes and Walkmans to the latest in 4K resolution and HDMI pass-throughs. We'll share our hands-on experiences with the new white Rodecaster Duo and the trusted Shure SM7B microphone, offering insights into how these tools can streamline your audio setup and elevate your content creation game.
Get ready to explore the bustling world of content creation as we discuss our recent adventures in New York, where we mingled with fellow creators and gathered tons of inspiration. The conversation covers our surprise at the flood of video releases tied to embargoes, our excitement for the upcoming hockey season, and the lively debates sparked by our video on playing a healer in Final Fantasy XIV. We dive into the challenges of engaging with a growing audience and the joy of reading detailed viewer comments, making this episode a rich blend of personal stories and tech talk.
Finally, we'll reflect on the balance between having state-of-the-art gear and its actual utility, touching on Rode's innovative journey from podcast domination to venturing into video content creation. Whether you're a casual streamer or aiming to build a significant audience, we'll discuss the nuances of producing 4K content, the benefits of modular tech setups, and the importance of maintaining authenticity in an increasingly optimized YouTube landscape. Plus, hear our thoughts on the new DJI Pocket 3 and why good audio can make or break your vlogging experience. Join us for an episode packed with insights, laughs, and a touch of nostalgia.
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Hello and welcome happen. I don't know, I just forgot that. I saved the other part. How's our audio?
Speaker 2:everybody as you can tell we had to bust this in here because um I don't. For some reason, it's the only solution.
Speaker 1:Mine is on the way oh it sounds, it sounds so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just oh, you went with the classic sm7 baby I did. It just sounds good, everything's good Look how, when everything is working.
Speaker 1:I know what to expect. I can trust it. And and and. In the mail right now on a truck somewhere is a white roadcaster duo headed to your office sometime in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2:Which I, so I didn't want one, but I saw the picture and I was like, oh, it's cute I, I cannot wait. It's gonna solve like every problem I know, but there's already so much stuff on my desk that I'm like you could put it on an arm. Put it over here on an arm well, if it makes your life easier, that's you know.
Speaker 1:And with this, streaming that you want to do. It's actually going to make your life easier, as well, there you go yeah all right it's gonna be awesome happy friday everybody.
Speaker 2:Let's check in audio hotline in the house. Hey, freddie, always. Hey guys, happy to see you. Sean grogan is here. Hello, hello, real pal room. Hello, I want a coffee. Hi, all, calm Tom. Yeah, gil, what's up? I know, look you, total 180 from last week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. Thank you, my friend. Over here we were trying to do other things, or using the wireless pros, or you're doing whatever, and then finally Heather was like well, we got time. Do you just want to put a roadcaster in here?
Speaker 2:And I was like, well, because he's like trying to tinker, make stuff happen, and I'm like you have a road cat, like I thought you weren't bringing it in here, because you have settings saved or something and I thought you like needed to configure whatever blah blah no, it's super easy to save presets and switch it to any mic, whether they're you are built-in presets or custom presets you've created yourself morty, hello, hello oh it was so nice seeing you in all the pictures.
Speaker 2:I wish I could have hung out with you guys yeah, that was awesome uh, oh no, coffee heather can't seem to contain her enthusiasm for the road I mean I the thing is, I don't understand, like, how it works. I don't understand, like, why you need it, what problem it solves so it's, let's.
Speaker 1:If cat's here, what problem it solves, who's it for? She's the perfect person. But um the, I lost my train of thought. But the thing about it is I thought you were like absolutely anti it, so I never suggested it, never pushed it.
Speaker 2:This is the same okay I know, but see autofocus.
Speaker 1:I thought the same about autofocus and then you got autofocus and you were like oh, and I'm like I think this is that again, but I didn't know, because for years people have actually given me a hard time where they're like oh, why don't you just? Give a road cat? Why don't you put a roadcaster in your wife's office? Why doesn't she have one? It's like I'm not being selfish and like not I'm would love to, but I it's everybody's workspace is their own.
Speaker 2:Okay, I like simple guys.
Speaker 1:Okay, and it's crazy because you've hit a point where adding in this slightly more complex piece of equipment which yours is a small one.
Speaker 2:Yours is only going to be.
Speaker 1:This big yeah Will make things simpler, because not for you. Your single channel mic thing doesn't change, it's just you select the Rodecaster instead of that and you're fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Nothing changes.
Speaker 1:For me, all I have to do is just plug in any mic I want and it's going to sound great, and I can even use the sm7b because I've got all the presets and the processing in here, but he's he's launched into a youtube video. This is what I do, since, since you've also gone into the streaming world, which means you need to incorporate your audio, game audio, potentially even at some point, since you're doing, you know, something like final fantasy. It's not inconceivable that you wouldn't want to have a discord, discord, chat that the stream couldn't hear but you could hear, so you could coordinate with people, all that kind of stuff. Now you just have one slider for each thing where you're like oh, I want final fantasy to be this loud, I want me to be this loud, like that kind of thing. Oh, I'm turning up my you know, my lo-fi beats to study to. Okay, there we go and that's gonna be so nice, so you can program like individual programs yes, you can.
Speaker 1:Oh, even more so now because there's a new update.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you're done, all right, uh, shaquille, hello, dave den. Hey, good to see the Huddle Uppers here. Call me Cubby, hi, hi. Well, we have a lot to talk about, don't we?
Speaker 1:It has been a week.
Speaker 2:It's been a week, it's been a long week. Yeah, it's been. Hopefully we're slowing down, we're turning the corner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think this was sort of the grand finale of at least a current batch of like craziness yeah, so where do you want to start, tom? Well, the title is roadcaster video new york and youtube updates, so we can start. I'm starting new york because that was a fun one, and morty's here yeah uh, I got to go to new york for a day again, which is crazy because we just did that two months ago.
Speaker 2:And then that's crazy.
Speaker 1:And that was a very unexpected thing. It was literally like Wednesday or Thursday confirmed things for Monday.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was like okay, and I really appreciate you helping me figure that out, because my initial impulse is like there's not enough time, no, and you were like I think this would be a really good thing. I wasn't even 100 100 sure what it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something at bnh, something in new york, something with road, so okay but you know it was cool because obviously we were like, should I go? But it was actually cool watching the whole thing from the viewer experience because I was, all you know, a lot of us here are actually in the chat, um, and it was just so cool to see like all these familiar faces in the chat, like when we were there in person. That was cool, actually meeting, you know, like Sammy and Mike in person.
Speaker 2:But like I don't know, it was just, it just felt exciting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what it was was Rode launched this bad boy right here and it's currently only available at B&H Photo, which is pretty cool, and so they launched it at B&H Photo on Tuesday and they asked me and Kat, who's sometimes in the chat, and then also Zephan, who we met at NAB, to be on like a panel, a live stream panel, during the launch with ryan from road to, to just sort of talk about it from like the company perspective, but also from three different users, because kat, zephan and I all use video switchers and mixers and things but we use different ways, and so we got to go do that.
Speaker 1:You guys were a great uh like I don't know if this is intentional, but they're picking a really nice variety of people for their panels? Yeah, exactly um yeah, and so then, like different use cases, so we did that for that hour and then the rest of the time, like five hours, down where the other event was the previous one. Um, they had this whole thing set up.
Speaker 1:They had like a race car simulator set up with multi cameras and a roadcaster video and they had a that's so cool they had like a cooking show set up with multiple cameras and a roadcaster video and basically customers could come in and demo and play with it, ask questions about it and, like ryan from road was just right there, like there's no better person to just tell me about this.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the one, his voice is very soothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just like hearing him talk, yeah, and so that was. That was awesome and I was also very impressed because he was talking to people. But then they're also like the BNH employees who were also like, giving very complex explanations of things and I don't know what their training or prep or whatever it was.
Speaker 1:But it was like wow, like that's, that's funny. But there there was a thing, because Ryan was just down like he's Rode's like head of product development, he's in all their stuff, like if you go to the Rode section at B&H he's like on a display that's playing there all the time. And I guess he said he was walking through the store and someone was like I can't get my SSD to like connect with the Rodecaster and he's standing in front of his own I mean I, I think they're just like oh, it's just you.
Speaker 1:Just you must work for the company and you must work here in the store, but like the odds of that happening is just, I don't know. It's like I have a question, yeah because I'm seeing hdmi inputs on here.
Speaker 2:Is this something that? Uh, because I think a lot of gamers and streamers use the atem yes.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if they do, if gamers do, I genuinely don't know I have seen it, okay come up.
Speaker 2:Okay, because I don't know, because the have seen it.
Speaker 1:Okay, come up. Okay, because I don't know, because the ATEM.
Speaker 2:Although I know there's all the Elgato stuff, yeah, but the gaming community I know loves their 4K60.
Speaker 1:And so none of the ATEMs and none of this do 4K60. So I actually didn't know if ATEMs were a gaming thing or not.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but if you watch my video or audio hotlines video which I don't know if it's up yet, but it's coming out or Kat's video Um, I think Kat's is like so incredibly helpful.
Speaker 2:If you're just one person you're like, would this fit in my? Do I need this? What is it Like?
Speaker 1:hers is probably the strongest explanation of how that would fit oh that's great. Um, so definitely go check that out.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's awesome, and the more I use it, the more I like it well. Gil says he's very excited for me to experience the rcp. I honestly don't think I'm going to experience it because I won't be fiddling with it. Well, I don't know, maybe you'll teach me I feel like.
Speaker 1:I feel like it might be just like a stream deck thing yeah, it's gonna be white, it's gonna be pretty, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:Just let me just push this top any idea on how many creators they gave the video to. I was pretty surprised how many videos dropped on wednesday yeah, I don't know um a lot.
Speaker 1:It seems like 30, 50, I don't know. Because they don't there's no requirement, like you know, for all the people who are like embargo stuff or whatever like all road you guys weren.
Speaker 2:Guys weren't told to make.
Speaker 1:All road said was please don't release anything before this date and time. This is the release date and time.
Speaker 2:And that's it.
Speaker 1:You don't have to do anything. It'll tell you when to do, what to do. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, greg has a serious, very serious question here. Are you ready for hockey season?
Speaker 1:I am both our rec hockey season, so our last game of our summer season for like adult league was on tuesday, so I missed it yeah sacrifices you were in new york um, and so now we have like a three-week break before the winter season starts and then another. I think it's like two more weeks before actual pro hockey season starts. So I am definitely looking forward to it. I didn't mind have a little more time this summer well, it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a crazy summer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like perfect, yeah I guess, yeah, we didn't have more time, but it was like less. Yeah, I'm very excited to for both to begin again uh, kombucha.
Speaker 2:Hey y'all, happy friday. Side note can I just say the way you two look at each other is so cute. Oh, that's, that makes me happy. Audio hotline his video will be up later this guy.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you about blood, sweat and tears that go into a video, literally broken bones, all kinds of stuff, um well, that'd be exciting suffering for his art yeah, uh, so new york it was great yeah and I actually have a vlog that I'm editing oh my god, how adorable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm so excited, I just brought I only?
Speaker 1:well, I brought my big camera in july when we went and I filmed stuff. But I like couldn't, I never?
Speaker 2:made anything with it?
Speaker 1:I couldn't, yeah I was busy, plus I couldn't figure out how it went together, so it just kind of has been sitting there, guilt tripping me. And then this time I was like it's such a quick trip, I'm just bringing my phone. And so I just brought my phone and, ironically, the little DJI, because it's so easy to connect to the phone, and that was all I used. And then I was wait, this folds in actually perfectly with this stuff, so I can make one video that has both trips in it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Audio finally says I was in the road meeting and I would say there's close to 50 people, but not all of them reviewed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's. I mean, I don't think road requires. I don't know, Maybe everybody's agreements are different. They've always been a very low pressure company when it comes to like do you want? Something here. If not, whatever, do something with it or whatever, or don't. Yeah, um, which is how it kind of should be, because then you get. You get organic excitement instead of someone reading a spec sheet and a script yeah so what else?
Speaker 2:what else?
Speaker 2:what else got going on you've been busy, oh my gosh oh yeah, well, okay, so I put out another video on my gaming channel and I just did not realize the. I just didn't. I don't know, I had zero expectation for this one because, especially like I did spend a lot of time editing it, but it it was just me talking Like I didn't. It was very like I don't even know if I'm going to record this. But you weren't here and I had recorded a tutorial for my other channel and I was like, oh, I still got gas in the tank, let's just like crunch out another video. And I was just talking about how hard it is to play as a healer in Final Fantasy XIV, which this might not mean anything to you, but it's hard, and that's all I talked about for like 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:And, oh my God, I don't think the paragraph I don't think I've ever in my whole eight years of doing YouTube, have gotten such rich, detailed comments, like full essays.
Speaker 2:Everything is a full essay, just every single one, to the point where I was like you know, this is great, this is what we all want, you know we want. Clearly, these people watched it, they're responding, it's relevant, it's you, you know all this. But then I was getting to the point where it's like this is, at what point do you call it like? Do you respond to? Actually, let me ask you, mr 150 000 subscribers, do you respond to every comment? At what point do you like?
Speaker 2:yeah, I just feel bad that you took the time to write you know, it's not just like hey, like this is great, like those are just like heart okay, cool, yeah, but there's, you know I don't know.
Speaker 1:I responded to every single comment up until about, I would say, 80 000. Okay, like every comment on the channel oh, I got a long way to go bro which is crazy because every time I watch videos I realize like most of the comments don't have replies to them. So I don't know if my channel looks crazy when, like everything is like this guy's intense, but I like that though.
Speaker 2:Like I like that.
Speaker 1:Well, it's that thing of like someone took the time they watched the thing you made and then they took time to like leave.
Speaker 2:I know how special it is when someone replies, you know.
Speaker 1:And so I try to do that. It and so I try to do that. It got to a point where it's like not possible. And so what I started doing then was very consciously just setting aside like, okay, I'm going to spend 10 minutes replying to comments. If that's one comment because I'm writing a whole essay, that's one, if that's 50, because they're like quick and easy, that's that. And so I do that usually at least once a day. And then sometimes, you know, sometimes I just sort of check in and you kind of hit like a point, like sometimes there'll be a comment that's just sort of it's like the one. That's the way YouTube Studio works is, if there's a comment that you like don't heart or don't reply to, it, just sort of sits there as the most recent.
Speaker 1:And so sometimes one of those will be like my anchor no-transcript. But I don't separate videos, Like if someone leaves a comment on a video from seven years ago like I'll reply to that, Right, I don't either yeah.
Speaker 1:Whatever I can do recently, so it's not like your white mage video and be like I'm done with that, no more discussion. I would you know you going to be the most of the comments, especially at first, and then the other ones will still pop up. Yeah, that's how I do it. There you go. You heard it. It's different for everybody.
Speaker 2:Greg says B&H would be a dangerous trip for me A kid in candy store.
Speaker 1:I should have brought in my souvenir that I bought. So I like to buy, I like to buy souvenir. Did you get one? I say practical, I'm going to go grab, I'll be right back.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I got to be showing how I know, but it's such a process for him to get out of this thing here. I actually don't know what it is. You do, oh, I do. He says I do, I don't know. I don't know if you can hear this, but it sounds like a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:Are you ready? I had to unbox real quick. You ready for this?
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:So this was for the RODECaster video right, the height of audio video production technology at B&H Photo, the store that has the professionals. Source of things.
Speaker 2:Is that their tagline?
Speaker 1:It is, and so I decided to buy a tape player um look at this thing. Oh my god, I saw this when we were there.
Speaker 2:Push this button oh, did you hear that?
Speaker 1:yeah, isn't that tactile, it's so good. Um, I saw this when we were there in july and I was like, oh my gosh, I opened it up on my browser thing. So like I want to order this and that browser window on my phone just been open.
Speaker 1:The last two months, and so I went back and usually I'm like I like to buy a camera battery or like a little necessity that I need, because then I use it all the time, and it always reminds me like I got that at bnh. Um, this is my souvenir. This time I literally made sure there was room in my bag for it and you got your little oh, I remember that, yeah, a little handle, because I.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm sure you did too sure a lot of us did. It's a cassette player, cassette recorder. You got your built-in speaker here. This one has usb though, so I don't know, it's a little oh yes, I don't know you're a new retro thing'm not sure, but I think there's a way to what I wanted to do in my stream yesterday which I couldn't You're going to put years on this Dan.
Speaker 2:This is this got USB though.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it's manufactured recently. It's just, you know, there's a market for it, but I wanted to find a way I put this tape player into it. I had one of these, though, when I was a kid, as I'm sure, for some reason, a lot of us did this thing this type of thing.
Speaker 2:I don't think I had it, but like we had it at school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had one and I really loved it and I would record radio shows. Remember it being halloween and I had like a little tape and I'd be like it's like the spooky, like like I would tell ghost stories, oh my god, I would do podcasts.
Speaker 2:But I was four. You know what I had. I had the, the voice recorder like a little one yeah, with the mini tapes. Yes, I had those two. I was obsessed with those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I graduated from this to that, I guess. Then I came back to this um and my. This was how ubiquitous these things were. One of my friends in middle school was just hiking through not hiking, just wandering through the desert, because that's the type of town I grew up in and he found one of these in the desert with an envelope rubber banded to it that.
Speaker 2:Tell me it had a tape in it it did. Tell me it led to treasure the envelope had $10 in it.
Speaker 1:The Tell me it led to treasure the envelope had $10 in it. The tape was just labeled Cranberries, which is a band. Yeah, the sounds on the tape were just the sounds from an adult video.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:And this is what he discovered $10 and Cranberries, but he got a free tape recorder. It was just on the ground, in the desert. That's the town I grew up in, which is also very trendy now. That's how it was when I lived there, it was different.
Speaker 2:All right, k-walk Company. Hey all, happy Friday Weathering the wind in NC. Hope everyone south of here is safe. Yes, old school Morty, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Morty, help me order, help me gety. Oh yeah, morty, help me order, help me get it. Oh really.
Speaker 2:A cassette deck. Hilarious Dude, you should totally do like a Don't Even Bat an Eye.
Speaker 1:Tom Buck YouTube review. Anyway, this is the Hamilton Bull cassette player recorder. Here's a test of the audio quality.
Speaker 2:Just do it, yeah, and then like, do like. Oh, I would totally love to see a tombaugh. I'm like washing it in my head right now it's an mp3 switch b-roll.
Speaker 1:I'll do that for april 1st uh, asmr is fire, no worries.
Speaker 2:Next video making a mixtape in the 2020s which is funny.
Speaker 1:I do because I had to buy cassette tapes, because yeah, everyone did no, I mean right now, because I don't have any, but I do have, like um, I have an interrupters tape from like their newest album. If you bought the vinyl, it came with a cassette which I've never been able to play. Um, but cassettes are like you could play it right now I could, because we're going to get a copyright claim.
Speaker 2:We're going to get the copyright though.
Speaker 1:They are inferior, like they don't last long, they don't sound as good, they don't work as well, they're not convenient, like I got it. When I got my record player I literally was like oh my God, I've never heard it Like it sounds a way I've never heard before.
Speaker 2:I kind of get why people are into vinyl, not tape.
Speaker 1:Tape is not that, but it's fun Not tape.
Speaker 2:Let's see. Will you be making new mixtapes for intro music?
Speaker 1:I'll be recording them off the radio. Just got to time it just right. Hit the record play button.
Speaker 2:We all have done that, like recording to cassette from the radio. Uh, do you swipe any more?
Speaker 1:bnh tape I did not. I still have a whole roll will last forever yeah, melanie, hey everyone happy friday good to see you dawn.
Speaker 2:I used a cassette recorder like that to save programs on my trs 80 computer. I love it uh, I can't walk around. I still have a box of unopened cassette tapes somewhere.
Speaker 1:Well, it's so funny because, like two weeks ago, I saw Maxell, the company, on like Twitter or threads or something, being like hey, we're still here, you need tapes. We got you Like they were really like leaning into it, and so I was like, oh my gosh, and so 11 bucks off Amazon, I got like a five pack Of cassettes.
Speaker 2:I bet they would be like you'd be surprised. I was curious because I be surprised.
Speaker 1:We saw these at B&H and I was wondering Is this the same one? I saw no, there's definitely not USB. But the thing about VHS tapes, though For video is they get really expensive, like if you need a VHS tape Like a blank tape.
Speaker 2:They're like pricey now, so I was surprised. Cassette tapes are not Like if you need a VHS tape, Like a blank tape.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like pricey now.
Speaker 2:So I was surprised cassette tapes are not.
Speaker 1:I don't even like what tech exists where you can even like record and play. You have to get an old VCR off eBay. You gotta go to the thrift store.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's why it's expensive. It's like old video games, you know it's vintage. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I. I think I have an old school Walkman in my storage, an item from the golden age, the original roadcaster.
Speaker 2:Jeremy says Tom went to the Wally world of cameras and didn't come back with anything. Oh, he came back with something.
Speaker 1:Well, I came back with this. This was my souvenir. This is what I bought at B&H.
Speaker 2:Everything else is too dangerous.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to buy, like you know.
Speaker 2:You're going to take it back, yeah you're gonna take it back?
Speaker 1:yeah, very too dangerous. Well, yeah, very too, dangerous, very too dangerous, very too dangerous. Yeah, um, but also like there was a thing, I did a live stream yesterday because I want to use the roadcaster video. It is funny. I'm just realizing this is kind of like a roadcaster from the 80s, like oh my god, I can I see a thesis forming? In your head right now. We don't need to go down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come back to me babe um I don't remember what I was saying.
Speaker 1:Something about live stream? Yeah, I did a live stream yesterday and somebody asked if money were no object, what equipment setup?
Speaker 2:oh my gosh, I almost jumped, in really yeah, because I would. I was gonna say exactly what you said oh he has the ideal setup yeah, I was like you you've spent years building everything. It's so customized, it's so and clearly we're not missing anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the crazy thing is like I mean, that's what I said. I was like, hey, no, if B&H wants me to like, give me a shopping spree in the store, like I will, I will make use of it. But yeah, it can definitely find things.
Speaker 2:But in terms of like, oh like, oh like, here's a pain point, here's a frustrating thing, or whatever, or you wish you had this or yeah, I can't do this because I don't have blank. I guess, like for me the last piece was the road, the roadcast, because we were.
Speaker 1:I mean, we've been having audio issues since we redid the whole setup, so that that was actually a pain point yeah, your setup is fine, is ideal for single person, but if you have another person coming in, and now they are bringing in other sources, yeah, it actually does make just a lot of sense. Just the duo. You don't need the big guy right here oh for you, like you're good yeah, like there's nothing, like cameras are great, like I'm interested in other cameras.
Speaker 1:But even if I were to be like, oh, I'll go buy a forty thousand dollar cinema camera or something, it's like that would actually make things harder, because it wouldn't incorporate into the workflow yeah, it's not designed, it's like yeah the media management, the use, the usability. It's like that's the thing where you need another person in there so for what I do. Everything is pretty ideal, which is a really cool thing, like that's a. I'm very appreciative of that and yeah, I don't know it's.
Speaker 2:It's crazy yeah, because all the things that you talk about are not like I wish I had this. It's all like I could talk about this and this and this. Like it's all ideas focused, not gear focused. I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I do a lot of gear, I'm a gear focused person, but it's a lot of like how to use the context of the gear. So there's, like the roadcaster video, a thing that's very cool with this. It does a lot of cool things, but a pain point that it does solve if you have an ATEM based workflow, is video and good audio. That's not been a thing before, especially for under like thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, all these people were asking like could you hook up the Rodecaster to it? Which?
Speaker 1:you can. You can plug this directly into it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sure that's like the first thing, and then you have six audios, but the quality of that is exactly the same, like the internal parts are just stuffed in there and that's like I don't know that I would have. I guess that's something I would have said, because I'm like, ah, the audio on the ATEM sucks and the RODECaster is great. So maybe in my mind I was like if they could just be one thing. But that was kind of like, oh, this actually does solve a problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, let's see, greg. I have about 10 cassettes and 100 3x5 floppy disks beside me.
Speaker 1:Wow, 100 I feel like you could do like an art project with that.
Speaker 2:You could make some kind of wall art or like shadow box, I don't know uh wait, I realized I moved my mic and we're not going to be in the same place I'm trying to lean forward uh, kathy says I move from albums to cassettes, then downloads. Albums are coming back, so maybe cassettes are next.
Speaker 1:Um, fx6, fx6 that is the one thing I really played with at bnh. A lot was the fx6, which I love. Um, I mean, if money were no object, why not? The only thing about it, though, is it doesn't have in-body stabilization, which I actually use a lot, so that would be a little tricky okay, stizam.
Speaker 2:Hello, hi guys. Hope you're all doing well. I just wanted to ask what's asked which don't stand uses it's flipping, yeah, yeah which stand tom uses? Is it similar to the road ds2?
Speaker 1:greetings from spain yes, so I actually just got this this morning yeah which worked out because I wasn't going to use a microphone today. This is the Elgato one, the desktop stand.
Speaker 2:Does it come in white?
Speaker 1:Currently no. It is incredibly similar to the Rode DS2, which I like. Here's my review of this so far.
Speaker 2:There it goes, guys, everybody.
Speaker 1:They solved my one pain point with the DS2, which is this just has the regular Elgato nubbin, so you could actually even put, like this ball head on here, but it can, like, rotate the road. One only goes straight like this, and this one you can do this.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry if that made a bunch of noise, but that's huge to me.
Speaker 1:The build quality is super good. It's heavy. The road has better build quality. The elgato has that quality of life thing, but this is thirty dollars cheaper. The road is ninety dollars is sixty dollars, that's. It's very tough to say spend the extra thirty dollars. To be honest with you there you go, just Blinks.
Speaker 2:Hey Tom, have you done any testing with the Rodecaster video and video game console? See, I told you. We haven't, but we should we can do this right now.
Speaker 1:There's a PS5 right there, there's this right here. That's something to do for sure.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize that gamers were using 4K. There's no way they're using 4K for their video 4K60 is like such a thing.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's just playing the games. Maybe the videos aren't, but the other thing Like they're all using webcams. The other thing when you're playing on consoles is HDMI pass-through. So that's what, like, the Streamer X has, which means you can plug HDMI into it?
Speaker 2:Oh, that does not have that.
Speaker 1:Currently no, it does have two HDMI outs outs.
Speaker 2:So you can't, because how can you see what you're playing?
Speaker 1:One of them is a program output. Well, that wouldn't be it. So one of the main features right now sorry, get into this there's two HDMI outputs on here so you can connect it to two monitors or whatever, and right now they're either program or multi-view. So program is whatever you're switching to, it just shows on that monitor, and multi-view is everything. It's the screen that has, like, all your inputs, all your info. It looks like nasa mission control, um.
Speaker 1:One of the features that multiple people gave in feedback in person to road and that I saw also people in the comments of my videos, was to have a source output. So that would mean you could do program multi-track, multi view or, you know, just input. Number three, and the reason a lot of people want to do that, is if you're doing a corporate presentation, you need to be able to see A lot of times people run in. Like a PowerPoint or a keynote presentation. You can mix it all together in a cool scene, but it still needs to go out to the projector, like in the room, and be on screen.
Speaker 2:You can't see anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it can't change every time you push a button on here. It needs to just stay that source. So that's the way to do that. I'm curious, and I feel like that's a super easy thing that they must implement. I'm sure they'll implement that. I'm curious, though, if that is some sort of pass-through, if they could put in a pass-through, because then that would make it really viable.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the lag is we to?
Speaker 2:experiment uh, greg says that, uh, oh. Audio hotline says that stand is sweet it is really sweet yeah uh, greg says the neck on the elgato looks better with the backwards bend to change center of gravity yeah, it goes back and it also does.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I tighten it down a lot. It also goes back like this, like I don't know why you would want to do this, but you can. So that's for the asmr yeah, I guess, but yeah, so it is. I probably prefer this one. I like the road ones. The road ones are built better, but 30 bucks 60 is a lot easier to to manage than 90 josh says morning, everyone listening live on my dog walk.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice that's so lovely. I know josh is from the land of road also oh yeah, I uh just blink says I use 4k 60 for video game b-roll just to get the best quality possible for flexibility and editing.
Speaker 1:But I do mostly video essays about video games so that's the gameplay footage you want, in high quality 4k 60.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I feel like there's I don't know. My impression is that most streamers and gamers are not using mirrorless cameras.
Speaker 1:I know they're not because I've seen they're using webcams, right? Yeah, because they have the webcam on top of their monitor yeah, they don't have like I mean, that's most like speaking of elgato, that's like half of their business model is like all the streaming gear webcams and stuff.
Speaker 2:Josh says senpai gaming said el'll got a capture card into the usb section of that I didn't does that make sense and actually now that you know it does, because it would be a webcam.
Speaker 1:It would just look like a webcam. Yeah, that does make sense senpai.
Speaker 2:Gaming is what he, so he must be like the you for gamers if he could be so lucky you know what I mean, like in terms of, like, explaining tech yeah, I gotta go sign for this package real quick we gotta sign for the package.
Speaker 2:Okay, gil, have y'all seen the Elgato Wavearm Pro? Yes, I believe that got. Sorry to all of your dogs who heard that. Um, I believe the wave arm just got here, so I think we have it. Um, oh, I had problems getting 4K to work with the new Elgato capture device, the X, I believe, on the Mac. That's so funny, jeremy, because we just got it like four days ago, the 4KX, the Elgato 4KX. We had to get it because I honestly, tom can explain to you why we needed it. I understood my setup, explain to you why we needed it. I understood my setup and then, as we started like updating all these things, now I feel bad because it's like all in tom's head and I just I like I was in the know and now I feel like it just it went too far, uh, but is it stupid?
Speaker 2:oh, it's stupid are you gonna talk about it?
Speaker 1:yeah, we can talk about it.
Speaker 2:It's not an hoa thing. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:we don't have to talk about that, that's we got a whole thing about, like the certified mail that couldn't be delivered. Certified mail in the us is never good news because it usually means like the irs needs something from you or you're gonna get fired, or you're getting laid off or something, and I was like, oh my god, where, like what happened? And we got a notice the other day that one of our palm trees needs to be trimmed, which, like nothing has changed.
Speaker 2:Also, they're doing a hearing about it.
Speaker 1:Also, it was already like they sent a notice from the end of August. The palm tree was trimmed last week, so it was already like they sent a notice from the end of August. The palm tree was trimmed last week, so it's already trimmed. But now they sent certified. I'm so glad. I'll take that over an audit or whatever. Fine, fine.
Speaker 2:Okay, here look. Jeremy had problems getting 4K to work with the new Elgato couch device, the X, I believe. Oh, that's what you're using. Yeah, Do you need both of us? Because, um that's, do you need both of us because we're just we're one person now.
Speaker 1:Uh, that is what we got to solve your problem, uh, and it has been fine yeah, you're using the ps5 into the macbook pro yeah yeah uh, have y'all seen the elgato wave arm pro? Oh, I have it. That was my other thing that I had to strategically keep out of.
Speaker 2:But not anymore Shots.
Speaker 1:No, it came out already.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was like oh crap, I just said it.
Speaker 1:I have a video that's scheduled, but the roadcaster kind of usurped it and it's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just Flanks. Twitch streams are still limited to only 10. Oh really, are you serious? I had no idea that Twitch could only do 1080, 60.
Speaker 1:Well then, that makes something like this potentially a lot more viable.
Speaker 2:You should look into that. If you can get the HDMI pass through for consoles and Most people don't really bother with video quality there, but for YouTube videos I can find a use for it.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean there's also the thing, too, which you even-, I guess there's so much streaming that like-. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The company cannot handle everyone streaming in 4K. But I don't know YouTube can. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but you even mentioned this yesterday, like we got into kind of a discussion about it, like there's different levels of 4k.
Speaker 2:Different levels of 1080. Yeah, I mean, we like even the canon 60 mark ii to the zb. E10 was 1080 the e10 was 4k. No, because we forgot the eos r. Oh, oh, we switched it right, yeah. Yeah, it was just the quality, or even the eos r. Yeah, which is that's why.
Speaker 1:That's why I bought those cameras, because I had the 6d and the eos are still 1080, but higher quality total.
Speaker 2:I mean my first video on my gaming channel, um, that was a 1080.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think like our durable camera is 4k, but like it's. That you're not gonna be like. Is that an fx3 at the door? Like it? It's got 4000 pixels but the quality is not the same, so you should do a video on that. See, that's where it's like. I know the basics, I know the broad strokes that not all resolutions are created equal. So, like the roadcaster video, when you look at the quality of the 1080 from it, it's great and it looks awesome. And if you told someone it's 4k, they'd be like cool, but it's not um, but you. You could potentially believe it, um, but I don't know. The scientific part of that would be the um actually is in the comments. That I would not.
Speaker 2:I know you don't want to deal with that. I want a coffee. I hearing about a palm tree. It's always suck.
Speaker 1:Ours is usually actually pretty decent, which is why, like this, is a palm tree that's been there for 10 years.
Speaker 2:No, but you know what Like if that's the issue, fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's literally our effects. It's not that. Yeah, jeremy, I was going FX30 to Elgato 4KX and Ecamm wouldn't show it higher than 2K, I believe. Hmm, and the FX30's HDMI output was set to 4K.
Speaker 2:I'm guessing it had to have been, but sometimes the Sony has the auto function.
Speaker 1:I just went to the Camelot 4K saving my pennies for the black magic for hdmi, blah, blah, pc. It's like, uh, pickleboard, that's what I think I love that. Um, yeah, there's a cam link pro which is like elgato's version of that. Um, it's. It's like a board. It's supposed to be like a card that goes in your, your pc or you can put it in an external enclosure for a mac, and that it's like a graphics card that has four hdmi's in it. Oh, the benefit to that? There's no controls or anything, because it's just a card, but the benefit is that each hdmi shows up as a source.
Speaker 2:So an ecam each thing would be its own source. That's. That's nifty, yeah and the 4k uh, let's see twitch is actively losing money for amazon, so they can't really afford the server overhead like youtube can interesting, interesting I had no idea. Every, every time, the gaming video world is like every time I hear about twitch, I'm just like why? Why would you like? I don't?
Speaker 2:it makes you twitch well, it's also like I don't. I have so many things to say like I I want to like. Okay, so here's my biggest thing with twitch, right, why the hell, why would you stream for hours and hours and hours to get like seven views, when you can put in a fraction of that time making a good youtube video that will be viewed for years and years?
Speaker 2:one video I mean there's a reason I'm on youtube, I don't know years and years, like the longest shelf life versus just like the lowest roi with twitch my impression of twitch is that it's really good for, like, hanging out.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't want to like, I don't want to dismiss it, but like, if, like, I'm going to casually be playing a game or whatever for five hours yeah, but that's hard to grow well, I don't know if that's the intent.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's if the intent is to grow, because the the people I've seen on I mean I have limited experience the people I've watched on twitch are either like people with pretty big youtube channels that do just kind of like I'll go hang out on twitch, or it's like we have friends who are on twitch but and they have a great time and they put a lot of effort in their streams they're not really trying to like be a huge streamer like they do it after work for fun, and so they just have fun doing it uh, let's see.
Speaker 2:Josh says is 4k a software hold back for the new road or is it hardware needed to be added into it? Hope it makes sense due to walking typing while keeping an eye out for friendly brown snakes I hope.
Speaker 1:I wonder if someone's hearing you have this conversation to your um.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's a hardware thing. I feel like it would be a hardware thing, but you know what. You know who definitely doesn't know yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Um, my initial impression was that it it's software in terms of like. If you just wanted four 4k inputs and nothing else, it could handle it, but if you want all the other bells and whistles it can't. I don't know if that's the case, because going to bnh not only talking to, like you know, people who help make the roadcaster, but also just talking to people at B&H and looking at all products would be like, you know, looking at everything, like from the most expensive to the least expensive. If this did, if this was this exactly as is, with all the features, all the capabilities, but it was 4k, it would I'm not even exaggerating probably cost $8,000. It's $1,200.
Speaker 2:So like that's where it's like I don't know, I don't know how realistic it is.
Speaker 1:I'm curious, like I don't know I'm learning about this world, because the thing I thought was like my example was like, if 1080 is this complicated and you got another 1080, another 1080, it's gonna be a little more complex. I thought 4k was more complicated than another 4k, but it's more like like it's crazy, exponentially more complicated and resource intensive for very little payoff in terms of like who it's designed for right.
Speaker 2:Most people just have zero need for it, isn't gonna like I would like eight thousand dollars yeah, and I would love a whole setup.
Speaker 1:I if it did have 4k. That's the thing. Like I'm not making excuses, if there was a 4k button on it I would press it, but I, I. The more I'm like understanding it, the more I'm understanding it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1:And it's the same. If this is 700 and this is 1200, then now it's a 2000 unit, which maybe there's people who would want that. I don't know, maybe they'll do like a bigger version at some point, but it kind of the way they did it, especially as the first product makes a lot of sense to me. And the other thing too, which is like they really did develop everything from scratch. I know I sound like a commercial, but I think it's worth repeating because sometimes I think we can get spoiled.
Speaker 1:Like you can find a company that's just like making you know circuit boards and things or whatever overseas and you can just have them, slap your brand on it and be like, hey, I got my own, you know boards and things or whatever overseas, and you just have them, slap your brand on it and be like hey, I got my own, you know, I made my own tape recorder or whatever. This is not that like they did everything for like many years building it up to develop everything on their own, which is like absurd. But now they do have it and it's there and so maybe it's easier to scale into different products. I don't know, um, but know. But that also means the quality is way more consistent. The quality is higher, like the standards are higher.
Speaker 2:Bobby says hi, Tom, Just want to say you're truly an inspiration in getting to YouTube and I'm thankful to have come across your videos. You've helped me in deciding on getting my first microphone, the SM7DB.
Speaker 1:Nice, that's a good mic. I had it. I returned it because I have this, so I didn't need it.
Speaker 2:but if you don't, if you don't have that, it's a very good microphone uh, just flink says people like to chat with a small community while playing games. The 10 viewer streams are a vibe right I totally believe that. I mean, you know we have 20 viewers, but we have 20 viewers here on the couple table.
Speaker 2:Well, it's kind of like this yeah it's totally a vibe that I I'm not like hating on that. I think that's great and I think that there's a place for that. It's just that what I see, I see a lot of like how come I'm not growing, even though I'm putting?
Speaker 1:in. Yeah, the people aren't happy to have that. They're not hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they want more than that, yeah exactly, and the answers go on youtube, like that's I don't know if that's what the answer is, but that's what I would say.
Speaker 1:Or make pre-recorded content on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I just I feel like I know editing is hard, but I feel like streaming for just hours on end is harder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just disappears. Yeah, like no one's gonna watch her stream from two months ago yeah, that's the thing you can spend the time putting in to make a video, but it will be there for a very long time and sometimes randomly become very popular years later yeah, uh, bobby says also what are your thoughts on the Electro Voice?
Speaker 2:RE27ND. I don't know about it. I knew you were going to go there.
Speaker 1:We didn't hear it, but we have sound effects.
Speaker 2:Oh serious.
Speaker 1:Gil says Rode needs to send me a few bucks, as I had fun passionate debates about it not being 4K. Gil is like the perfect uh example of somebody that it is intended is intended yeah, would use it um, and so that perspective is really valuable.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy because it's like there is a thing of like, well, if my doorbell camera can be 4k, why can't this be 4k? And it's like the explanation I understand. Does someone internally why that's the case? But I don't know how to explain it the way that, like a hardware engineer or developer would, or somebody from road would, or from another company, like black magic, why are your atems, you know, why are the atem minis not 4k? And they can give you reasons. That are the reasons.
Speaker 1:They're not like excuses right, um yeah and a lot of it goes to also like who it's intended for, and that's a a big thing is like you know. It might not be for the person who is die hard. Everything has to be 4k all the time. It's just not for you and that is how it is.
Speaker 2:I think this is. This is the problem. I think is that is it me?
Speaker 1:I'm the problem.
Speaker 2:Road created a product that became ubiquitous with podcasts. They think this is the next thing for video.
Speaker 1:They Rode or they customers Customers.
Speaker 2:So they're thinking that's what they're at. They're coming at it in the context of like, if you want to have a podcast, everybody knows at some point you're going to get this. Well, this is video. If you're going to do video knows, at some point you're going to get this. Well, this is video. If you're going to do video at some point, am I going to get this right?
Speaker 1:yeah, so, like you know, and road did also because the other thing sitting right over your desk is a streamer x.
Speaker 2:That was their first video product ever. That came out a year ago.
Speaker 1:Says right on there and it is 4k so that I think people were like well, if this is their first thing and it's 4K, their second thing is going to be for 4K. And that's kind of what I thought too. That was literally my first question when I saw this, or like merge it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, oh, wouldn't it be, but it's also. That is such a. That is just a capture card. The video is in terms of video. It's just a capture card. Yeah, it has all the audio and the sound effects and all that built into it. Video wise, it's just a capture card, so it doesn't need to do any of what this is doing, Gil says.
Speaker 2:as far as Twitch, I think it's cool for a super duper small group. I can't comprehend the million viewers in a sea of chats going on a zillion a sec. If you watch like those really, really popular streams where the chat is just like I.
Speaker 1:You can't even read it.
Speaker 2:It makes you dizzy yeah, yeah, that's well, because that's, that's not um, it's not a conversation, it's a watching. You know, like you're not right yeah, your input does not matter, it's just going to be lost in the sea.
Speaker 1:That's at a certain point where it's like why is this live, unless it's like an event like we're watching the eclipse or whatever?
Speaker 2:or it has has to be live, or the Super Bowl or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but for a. There's that thing too, where it's like if you're a creator and you're going live, but you're paying zero attention to the chat the whole time, like why are you live?
Speaker 2:Yeah, make a video.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've always wondered that we have the way that we do it. Everybody can do their thing.
Speaker 2:Jeremy says I believe the RCP2 and RCP being separate is awesome. When you need a more tactile, visual feeling of audio control, you've got it. It would be cool to use a fader to control scene transitions.
Speaker 1:Oh, like a little T, that would be cool.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I feel like I've seen. Did you have something like that at school? You did, you had like kadoosh and it would switch scenes yeah, we have.
Speaker 1:Uh, we had, we had the black magic, like the atem tv studio thing. It's like a bigger atem for like broadcast things and it had the the bar on it, the t-bar just flanks as fun fact.
Speaker 2:If you average six viewers on twitch, you are, uh, within the top four percent of all streamers on twitch in terms of viewership. I totally believe it that's crazy because I mean, I don't, we did it.
Speaker 1:We had a little twitch phase there maybe it was fun to explore and see three, four years ago.
Speaker 2:Uh, have not been back since, but I've seen, like I've peeked in here and there and it's just most like the ones that I mostly see are, you know, yeah, less than six viewers, which is cool. They're not just want to be clear. I'm not like putting it.
Speaker 1:No, there's no. There's zero wrong with that.
Speaker 2:It's the the thing you're saying is if you're stressing out about like why am I not growing more?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's the thing. If you're just happy to vibe with whatever size tribe, then it's everything's good, yeah, uh, let's see.
Speaker 2:Well, that's also. You can say that with a podcast too. Like most podcasts, don't make it past seven episodes, yeah and it's something I think.
Speaker 1:I forget the exact numbers and it might be slightly outdated now, but it was like if you get 50 downloads in the first seven days, you're in the top 10%, or something.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Yeah, yeah, Wait. Can you connect a streamer X to the RCV?
Speaker 1:I don't think so, but what Jeremy was saying.
Speaker 2:You're trying to put a 4K input.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean it won't take 4K, but could you add like a fifth HDMI or something or another XLR input? Or the sound pads. I feel like there's a very interesting opportunity for a company like road that is very good about firmware updates and stuff, since they almost have like this modular system now of like video thing, audio thing, audio like. Maybe instead of just connecting them, maybe there is a way like I think like lock them in.
Speaker 1:I feel like I feel like that's something that is very possible, like one controls the other somehow. I think that would be really fun you know. Let me ask you this aren't these buttons fun to press?
Speaker 2:I don't know if you would have an answer.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't like these buttons I like these because I'm that's not what you want, though, when I know, but I, in terms of buttons, I like these buttons.
Speaker 2:Um, if you can like, manifest some kind of piece of equipment that does not exist right now that you think would solve not only your problems or something that you have, but, like you know a lot of people, a lot of your subscribers and viewers, that have like a similar issue. Is there something like that does not exist? That would be like you know what. It would be really cool if there was a thing is this realistic or is this? Yes, it's not like fantasy.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's not like yeah make, make the roadcaster video like 8k, like you know, like something. That's kind of silly.
Speaker 2:That would cost like 40 000, but like a realistic thing yeah not, you know, like if money's no, object would you well, no, no, no, no, like practical, practical yes 100% Mic arm yeah but everyone has it Like. Every freaking company already has one. And they're all they range from terrible to almost there. So even the ones we're using, yes, there's problems with every single one of them. That one just came out.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean.
Speaker 2:Okay, so if anyone's watching who works for a manufacturing company for content creators, Tom has an idea for you.
Speaker 1:So the new Elgato Wavearm Pro is the closest low profile one. Both of the Elgato arms are really close. Actually, the Wave Arm is very close. They're tall one because it's like it's got great cable management, it's a great size, it like does things really well, but it's the end. It's always this part that is funky and it's just positioning things and mounting things. We were just struggling with your mic arm sagging before this stream and the new arm solves that problem.
Speaker 1:But the thing that it doesn't solve is when you lift it up you're like your microphone is facing, like this direction and you lift it up and it goes up like that, yeah, which is weird, cause on Elgato's tall mic arm and like Rhodes tall mic arm and stuff, if your microphone's like this and you lift it up, it actually stays in the position, it just gets higher or lower, but this one for some reason doesn't.
Speaker 2:That's like the one thing that's missing, if it, if it had, no one has this complaint, it's only you.
Speaker 1:I don't. No, no, no, no. So you, you think that this?
Speaker 2:is an issue that people don't realize is an issue.
Speaker 1:But once they had the arm that fixed everything you're like you can't go back if you had an arm take the new wave arm pro, for example. If you had that arm, but the microphone stayed at its um like angle when you raise it up and down and instead of a friction head, you had interlocking teeth, where, oh and I can even take this further because interlocking teeth?
Speaker 1:oh, look at you, that not only I've thought about this not only can you like move it, you you know, in all the directions like a ball mount, but then once you you lock it in, it goes and nothing can make your mic move or change. The complaint people have about that is well, if I need to adjust it, I'm gonna have to like unscrew the teeth and move it around. Screw it in, which I would be okay with. What about hear me out? What about a spring quick release? Okay?
Speaker 2:Are you going to go on Shark Tank?
Speaker 1:I don't know how to make a prototype of this. So you have your teeth that are locked in, but what about if there's just a button on the other side that you can press and it releases the tension? So then you can adjust it you let it go and it snaps the teeth back in and it's instantly there. That doesn't exist in a mic arm and it would solve so many problems and I don't know where to begin to do. That it would solve. I have tried to ah.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's still going.
Speaker 1:That's. That's my answer to that question.
Speaker 2:Cool.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's see Does the RCV record H, two, six, five, v, I can't remember. I've been looking through so many specs lately. I've seen H265. I can't remember where I saw it, if it was on this or something else, so I cannot remember for sure.
Speaker 2:Do you think that 4K is a must these days for getting those clicks?
Speaker 1:No, Nope, definitely not.
Speaker 2:I think decent audio and video is a must. I mean here's the couples table is like perfect. We were 1080 for years, for 150 episodes. We switched to 4K. We are at the same viewership.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it looks like it's better. I like it better.
Speaker 2:I don't think it like me. If you get 4K from a 1080, that doesn't mean like all of a sudden, the views are going to come Right, and then you know.
Speaker 1:For us, though, like especially you like seeing the setup that looks and sounds better is encouraging to use it more to make more stuff so that you know there's other benefits to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like I, I love how it looks and it makes me excited, it looks decent, sounds decent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're good. The thing it's like you know, like marquez brownlee, you know filming with red cameras that can go up to 8k, like all this kind of stuff. Like he admits it's not necessary, it's like part of just his thing, is like he wants it to be. He like there's just he just sort of has an interest in trying to make it as over the top, like high quality as possible, when you could very easily argue that, like this phone review does not need this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But, that's not the point. Yeah, and even on my tutorial channel, like most of my tutorials are screen shares. So you know, 4K is completely unnecessary because most of it is the screen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But let's see, everyone's just talking. Rcv does 264 and 265.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I thought so, but I don't want to say if I don't know for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that sounds like a 3D printer idea.
Speaker 1:If someone had 3D design skills.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the problem. That's okay babe, and so many things are great, like this is a great desktop desktop stand and it gets the job done without being frustrating. The low profile one, especially the WaveArm Pro, so awesome. And it like it solves this whole like saggy arm problem because it's just pneumatic now, but it's just like, could you, you know, instead of making it 95% perfect, could we just go for a hundred? And no one has. I feel.
Speaker 2:You know what, honestly, I would not be. It would not be. Oh, we didn't turn on the vines.
Speaker 1:Oh, we don't have the vine vibes. We didn't turn on the vines.
Speaker 2:How One? Yeah, I knew something was off.
Speaker 1:I kept looking over here, the vines are off.
Speaker 2:It would not surprise me like I feel like at some point in your youtube career you will create some kind of tom buck product well, this is what would be my top choice right now yeah to make one uh I feel like, yeah, at some point I I know it's such a process, though I mean having having watched like doc from scratch, as one person do his dot I mean even peter well, and peter was working with the company.
Speaker 1:I mean, he had the idea, he brought it, but the company had the manufacturing know-how and all that kind of stuff which you know, from a business perspective, one of the best decisions you could have ever made.
Speaker 2:Uh, it took like 18 months or something yeah, I feel like especially and it's like I think it took fifty thousand dollars of his personal money.
Speaker 1:He said to invest in it. Luckily there's no electronic components in that.
Speaker 2:so that's nice, let's see. Do you guys monitor your viewership numbers while streaming? I know a lot of streamers turn them off because it causes them anxiety when the number goes slightly down.
Speaker 1:I don't, you do, I think.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do.
Speaker 1:I never have any idea.
Speaker 2:It's on the stream deck, so I just I kind of just peek in there every now and then.
Speaker 1:I don't even on Ecamm, I don't even know where you find the number and I don't want to know, I don't want to know. It's fine, because I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even on your streams, you don't Zero idea how many people the thing is like. I think what we try to do is a holistic content strategy, where we know that the videos are going to bring in the new viewers, and then the live streams are there to cultivate the existing viewers. So to me it's like the number doesn't really matter, for for live, because it's it's.
Speaker 1:It's going to be people who already are subscribed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, but it's the. It's the videos that, like, have the most potential for getting discovery in terms of new people holistic content strategy.
Speaker 1:Just such an adult, businessy thing to say uh, I just monitor it just to make sure that we're still live you.
Speaker 2:You know, like if it drops down to two people, I'm going to be like do? Are we still connected to the internet? Like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I do remember, uh, years ago I did that stream where I was like playing the drums and stuff and I remember I played the drums along to some cover songs. I got like a million copyright claims. The first half of the stream was me talking about I think it's talking about the equipment like the microphones that I was using and setting it up so this mic goes into this mixer or whatever. And then I went and played the drums and I remember seeing the number go down to like two-thirds of the people left as soon as I started playing the drums.
Speaker 2:I thought it was awesome. Well, the people who stayed, I think loved it, but it was a little disheartening the middle of the day and they're probably like at work and then you start playing the drums.
Speaker 1:They can't watch it I know, but it was a little disheartening is that the last time you checked views like? No, that was, that's just one time I remember. I I don't, I actually don't, even consciously not, I just forget to. There's too many other things to think about when I'm streaming than, like, what is this number Especially?
Speaker 2:Tom streams. You have so many. I mean literally after the last stream yesterday, we had the talk where I was like should I come in and help as a producer, because there's like oh my God? You were like, yeah, put Q colon in the comments. I'm like, babe, you have a queue of 40 questions. You don't need to be telling other people to put in new questions. You're not going to get to all of them.
Speaker 1:I just don't want anyone to feel like you, you're gonna be here till the sun comes up well, I mean to be fair, though, that was a stream about like a multi-input switcher, so it by nature, yeah. But anyway, my point is like you.
Speaker 2:You are usually like showing things. Like people have very technical questions regarding gear that you have in your you know, lab. So you're yeah, you're not going to be monitoring that on top of live stream gear, multi-cam, multi-audio situation all happening, just you yeah, that's true yeah, because that's irrelevant, like you just need to make sure everything is on. Yeah, as long as it's working, I'm good yeah, and the thing is like with your streams also is you get a lot of replay like, you get way more you get re more.
Speaker 2:I can't talk, do you hear me? Oh, it's because you haven't had handles you get way more replays than there are people live yes, yeah yeah that's very true uh, let's see, I think I may know a guy who does 3d really I need help uh, just flanks. I'm not gonna lie, I really enjoyed watching tom streams stream vods while editing. I like to have nerdy tech talk in the background at all times. You know someone else good to know like two people said that in the stream really they just had.
Speaker 1:They just like hearing you talk about text, whatever I mean, I do that when I'm doing stuff I try to find like what's the longest video I can play right now? Wow, yeah, and just have it on. This is why, when I see those like two and a half hour retrospective on some obscure thing from five years- ago.
Speaker 2:I go for lo-fi music. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I think because I'm thinking I can't yeah, if I need to think or focus, then I can't have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess, if I'm cleaning, then I'm not. I'm not being creative, I'm just doing something like mindless yeah in that case fine. But if I'm in here I'm thinking I need like noise, but not not distraction makes sense uh, I watch a live number just so I know there's someone out there in the evening like today. No views in the first three minutes. Told me something was wrong.
Speaker 1:Set Set to unlisted See exactly Like those things where it's like Like a status check.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just need to make sure that we're. Are we still? Is this thing still on, kind of a thing? I remember that stream. I stayed for the drumming.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:See the real ones. The Best Tool Live has one guy who is there strictly to answer questions in the chat. They handle it pretty well. Well, because I thought well, actually here, everybody here uses ecam. Isn't there a producer mode?
Speaker 1:there's, but I don't know what that means yeah, I should look into that yeah, well, I mean there's been like you've done a good job. Bailey, who's here a lot like he has been a lifesaver in the chat many times you have some great moderators yeah but you know, it's like, it's like, they're not, it's not like I'm streaming, yeah, I expect you guys to just of course yeah it's cool to have people available to help sometimes, but it's fine yeah, uh, it's the best.
Speaker 2:I do that all the time, those views are probably coming from me. Thank you, that's awesome. The long retrospective video thing that tom said is so true. I think that's why his camcorder video hit the spot for me. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was like a fun, like just tell me about something that you find interesting.
Speaker 1:It makes sense, because I did that video earlier this year, that was, I think it was like 35 minutes and it was unedited. It was like top five pieces of like budget video gear yeah. And people really liked it. But that could be a good one too. That is because it's also sometimes, if something's over edited and you're listening to it, it can almost be like anxiety inducing, because you know like there's stuff on screen or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're missing it.
Speaker 1:When you know you can be looking away and still getting it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like podcast-y. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, riverside has a producer mode.
Speaker 1:I thought ecamm did. Maybe it's like in the works or something and a way to like. I don't. I guess a way to like point out comments and questions. I don't know, it is what it is, you know yeah it's fun to stay handles.
Speaker 2:Craving is very real yeah, he's, this is ice cream is on the mind right here.
Speaker 1:Wait, no, I thought you were talking about you.
Speaker 2:No, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, no, I was thinking about producer. I was thinking about how to do producer mode oh, in streams, because I like to participate in the actual discussion.
Speaker 2:Then you miss any responses to the question yeah, it's hard to switch between the tabs, yeah, and then the super chats. I was like you because you were looking yeah, I had to go in there and I was like, oh, I feel bad, this guy loved to super chat with a question and you were like, thanks for the super chat anyway, and I was like you didn't answer the question I didn't answer the question no, because it wasn't attached for some reason oh yeah, so it's fine it was.
Speaker 2:It was. Can you plug your iphone into the thing, and I think somebody else asked.
Speaker 1:I wish I didn't know. This is why this is why yeah we should team up.
Speaker 2:All right, love the tech talk, but my favorite are the questions okay yeah, um, jeremy says I'm still trying to figure out a way to use my old vx 2000. Right now it's just digitizing old mini dv tapes that was part of my thing for yesterday.
Speaker 1:I wanted to do was gonna put like the xl1 into the roadcaster video. But I was like, just keep it simple for today, buddy, you don't need the tape recorder, you don't need the XL1. You don't like? I was already plugging the ATEM Like it was a whole thing.
Speaker 2:Tom can get ahead of himself.
Speaker 1:A little bit yeah.
Speaker 2:Overediting is slowly going out of style. I would say People are slowly going towards longer, calmer and more videos.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, it seems that way. What do you think? I think there's definitely at least a large chunk of the audience that leaning that direction, which makes me very happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that's like sanity. You would know you watch a lot of youtube.
Speaker 1:I don't I mean, but I watch the youtube. That I watch, though, so it's like I don't know how representative that is of what most people are watching. But I don't like the hyper. As soon as something is hyper edited, I usually click away because I just can't. I can't do it. Yeah, well edited is one thing, but hyper, you know, like the fast retention.
Speaker 2:Editing is not my thing. Yeah, I mean, I just I don't watch it as soon as someone's yelling, I'm out. I don't want to be yelled at uh, let's see, my favorite are the quirky ones like tombuck 2 hockey.
Speaker 1:Audio video nice well, you should probably like the New York vlog, that's.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited smashed a whole bunch of things in there for that video. I haven't seen it, so I'm excited, I'm excited for you to see it.
Speaker 1:It's fun. There's a lot in there which is like wow, okay good job, dude. You should premiere it film with my little together I mean it's going on the second channel, it's not so yeah, that'd be fun. Maybe a live chat I have no idea when it'll be done, but video essays have been a godsend for me yeah, I love it all right, tom wants handles.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I also want.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm like, do you not?
Speaker 2:handles. Sponsor us yeah.
Speaker 1:You know who went to Handles while I was out of town. I?
Speaker 2:did Well, because I had to take the boys somewhere.
Speaker 1:It's the only option.
Speaker 2:Anyway, go get some ice cream. That's what we're going to do, and thanks for being here. That was fun.
Speaker 1:Yes, and to answer your question, jeremy no, but we were talking about it this morning on our dog walk.
Speaker 2:How badly we want this thing. No, we're gonna get this thing. I just my thing is.
Speaker 1:I'm just a little nervous about them releasing a new one yeah, and the version the creator combo, which I feel is the the best one to get, is 669.
Speaker 2:That's expensive yeah, and if you're gonna, if we're gonna get one, let's wait for the new one and I don't know if there is a new one, but I'm just like. But it's the same thing with like. I guess Apple's release schedule is more predictable. You know there's a new iPhone in September, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this I don't know. Dji is a little unpredictable. It's been about a year, though, and you know they do the I don't know. Yeah, I don't know I mean.
Speaker 2:Well, obviously there was a two. Yeah, when did the two come out?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what the gap was between the two and the three, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:Just Flinks says I'm currently working on an hour and a half long video game video essay, so I definitely am not coping that longer.
Speaker 1:That sounds awesome.
Speaker 2:Videos are a trend. Yeah, I need to check out your channel, man.
Speaker 1:That sounds awesome.
Speaker 2:That sounds way cool. Any thoughts on video premieres?
Speaker 1:I think I've done it like once, but nothing really happened. It was when they first came out.
Speaker 2:I did a video premiere on my yeah.
Speaker 1:The Making a Living on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:God, that video was 52 minutes.
Speaker 1:I guess it depends on what a piece of an edit.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, oh my god. I'm never gonna make a video like that again.
Speaker 1:That was so hard the audience the video coffee with heath. I feel like I've heard that. Try the coffee. Oh, that's the flavor. I was like it sounds like a channel.
Speaker 2:I think it was you telling me about it last week here so the problem with handles is like well, this is a problem with anything. For me is when, when I like, find the thing that I like, I only want that thing, and if get something else, I'm only going to be thinking about the thing I would have wanted, even though it might be better. But it's just like I'm such a purist, Give me the sampler, but I also want my yeah.
Speaker 1:There's always so much ice cream a human can eat, so it becomes tricky.
Speaker 2:There will always be a new one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know there always be a new one. Yeah, I know, I know there is always a new one. This is one that I feel like it could be.
Speaker 2:New one, probably next year. They're on a two year release cycle Two year release cycle. Well then, we should get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then that I don't want to wait another year, Also in terms of like new equipment, that's.
Speaker 2:That's the one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is like a yeah we you know why?
Speaker 1:because, like, I feel like we have been well, I don't know about you, but I I feel like I've been itching to do some vlogs yeah, I mean, I have my a74 set up, which I love, and I was honestly blown away by how easy it was to just use the phone in new york, um, and that's why I just plugged the dji thing right in here and it just sticks out and I was like, oh, I got good audio, I got the phone, everything's fine. Um, but the quality of the pocket and the fact that the little transmitter just pairs right to it super cool. Um, and especially for vloggy style stuff like it is a little more, it's a lot more discreet than walking around the big camera.
Speaker 2:Oh, totally and you can do the cool, fantastic and it can do like the follow stuff, so you can even add like moving camera shots in there.
Speaker 1:Like you know, track you walking around with a big camera? Oh, totally, and it looks fantastic and it can do like the follow stuff, so you can even add like moving camera shots in there, like you know, track you walking around a corner or something. Wow, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2:Check Best Buy open box. Got my pocket three at a discount.
Speaker 1:That's a good idea.
Speaker 2:I need to check out that video. Do you guys consume any YouTube education content like Colin and Samir, sometimes education content like colin and samir. Sometimes you're on a colin smear kick. A while ago I stopped watching them because, um, I don't know if it was a particular video, but it just got so, um, like they started to focus on like the top top that I felt like it was no longer relatable to focus on, like the top top that I felt like it was no longer relatable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, so I stopped watching. Yeah, I, I used to maybe like 2019. I was really big into like youtube education content, but then it was just kind of like I just feel like there are a lot of other voices in my head and I just wanted to. Just that's the problem.
Speaker 2:I needed to get the voices out of my it's hard because it's like what you know, what's working for someone else might not work for you, but then also so much of what youtube is is like your individual spin on it right so it's like sometimes you do have to just get in the sandbox and figure out how you do it.
Speaker 2:So but every now and then, I mean I like talking about youtube in general. So it's not necessarily like youtube education, but it's just like being a content creator, and you know I love meeting other content creators like my favorite thing yeah, I love that too yeah, uh, I ran my 5k with the pocket three nice wow, that's awesome jeremy says I got the scotty make stuff. Fourth axis for the pocket three helps with the bounce. My little k fire truck bounces like an mfr, so having that fourth axis arm helps a ton that's cool.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that, but I think that's when I think sometimes you're walking it because it's stable, but it it's still, like you know, can't help but go up and down, because of physics I guess.
Speaker 2:So this kind of keeps it perfectly oh, I see, you know, can't help but go up and down, because of physics, I guess. So this kind of keeps it perfectly level. Oh, I see, yeah, you know what the most like surprise stabilization, the freaking phone.
Speaker 1:The phone. Let me tell you, the phone on 0.5, pointed at you, is like it looks strange. I have a couple of clips in my vlog of that. I'm just like. It looks like I'm holding, like it looks like there's a camera on a tripod and I'm just putting my hand on it. It's so strange.
Speaker 2:Oh, you recorded video in 0.5?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, a lot.
Speaker 2:Is that what I do? No, I don't know if that's what I do.
Speaker 1:I loved it. It's fun, especially because rear cameras and you don't. You don't know if you're in frame or not.
Speaker 2:Just 0.5 yeah, uh, ono, coffee says colin smear. Kind of lost credibility as they've been covering for mr beast and refusing to address the allegations against the world's biggest youtuber. Disappointed in them, I mean, I think, not gonna lie, I think that's part of the reason why I stopped watching, because I was like anyone who enabled this situation. Yeah, makes me feel a little uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't know but, it's a it's a weird thing to talk about because I understand, I feel like people are very opinionated money makes people weird.
Speaker 2:That's what we have learned uh, youtube's tagline used to be broadcast yourself. It seems like that part of it is being lost a little bit nowadays and people trying to optimize everything.
Speaker 1:Optimize yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like people forget that YouTube is voluntary, like no one is telling you to do this. And if no one's telling you to do it, then it should be fun. Otherwise, what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 1:It's hard.
Speaker 2:I know, but what do I know? I'm definitely mean. I took a freaking year and a half break for my gaming channel. That's supposed to be fun.
Speaker 1:So I am definitely not saying it's a confusing thing, but it should be fun, and when it's fun it's very fun. Yes, there you go, and with that said that being said, thank you for hanging out with us. Thank you for spending your day with us and curbing our ice cream cravings. And next week hopefully we'll have a nice white roadcaster duo.
Speaker 2:We should be on my roadcaster, can you?
Speaker 1:believe it.
Speaker 2:He's so excited.
Speaker 1:Do you want to use your roadcaster, babe? Wow, yeah, crazy. Anyway, have a safe, happy, healthy, fun rest of your week, a great weekend, and we'll see you next time.