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Is Upgrading to 4K Worth It? Exploring Cameras, Tech Challenges, and Gear Upgrades
Ever wondered if upgrading to 4K is truly worth it? Join us in this visually stunning episode as we experiment with our first-ever 4K live stream. We explore the remarkable clarity it brings to our content, while also addressing minor hiccups like audio sync issues. We engage with our live audience, comparing the differences between streaming at 24 frames per second versus 30 frames per second, and give you an exclusive look at the performance of the Sony ZV-E10 camera in 4K mode. Our comprehensive analysis helps you weigh the pros and cons of sticking with 1080p or making the leap to 4K.
We also tackle some common tech challenges and share practical solutions. Tune in to hear our insights on dealing with flickering lights and banding issues when using Philips Hue bulbs with a 4K camera. We delve into the differences in color science between Canon and Sony cameras, and offer tips for optimizing your Sony ZV-E10 settings to avoid overheating and improve focus. Plus, we discuss the fascinating quirks of product showcase mode and how to maintain video clarity during live streams, ensuring you get the most out of your camera and lighting setup.
Our upgraded streaming setup, supported by fiber internet, has revolutionized our content delivery, and we’re excited to share how it has improved our overall performance. Learn about the significant enhancements in image quality with our new camera gear, including the ZV-E10 and Sigma lens. We even explore a fun "what if" scenario about upgrading gaming setups and the benefits of the Razer Naga V2 Pro mouse. Finally, we introduce our new Shure SM4 condenser microphone and compare it to the popular SM7B, rounding out an episode packed with valuable tech insights and equipment upgrades.
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Hello and welcome.
Speaker 2:My name is Tom and I'm Heather and you're sitting at the couple's table, the couple's table is a live stream podcast here on this channel. Join us for better or worse.
Speaker 1:For richer or poorer.
Speaker 2:In sickness and in health In 4K, in 4K In all of the K's Four of this.
Speaker 1:Today is officially our first 4K stream and in this episode we're basically going to dissect whether I make the upgrade. It's so clear. I feel like there might be some slight audio out of sync, like ever so slightly Really, which kind of makes it like one frame maybe, but I don't know. If it's you guys can tell us all right kathy in the house.
Speaker 2:Hi, teenage. Happy friday, sean grogan. Hi, uh, love the retro tv. Does it come with wire hanger and pliers? Gill, hey everyone. You guys are probably too young for that reference I know we know, we know that yeah, we look young mcj in the house. What time is it? Is this real life? Hi everyone. Happy 4k. Can you tell? Can you tell? Yeah can you tell it looks like it does that it's doing that thing that your streams used to do, or it's like kind of choppy?
Speaker 1:we can, I believe.
Speaker 2:Let me see if I wave my hands gill used to use wire hangers for my tv.
Speaker 1:We're at 24 frames per second right now, instead of our normal 30. It looks fine on there to me gill says it's crispy yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:I think it's looking fine uh tech trouble where youtube defaulted to 720s. Are to select 4k yeah, 30 frames.
Speaker 1:If you're listening to the audio only version of this, it's not going to make a lot of sense, because we're talking about what it looks like, yeah, so feel free to load up the replay on this one.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So the thing with the Sony ZV-E10, which I'm learning I'm seeing an overheating warning, but I turned off the overheating thing so you be quiet on the little side out screen there. The thing with the Sonyy zv10 that I was learning was something about the autofocus 4k. Autofocus at 30 didn't want to work the same way as at 24, and so that's why I made it 24 even though you've normally been at 30.
Speaker 2:A lot of people use this camera here in like people who are watching. Don't you guys use this same camera?
Speaker 1:for your streams.
Speaker 2:It's hecka popular yeah, but so what does everyone do?
Speaker 1:yeah, what are your settings? What are your e-cam? We can change them right now and try out new things. I thought I thought this looked totally fine. It might look less smooth than you're used to because it is 24 instead of 30, but it's not.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's doing the jittery, jumpy thing audio is slightly off sync, but nothing to worry about now.
Speaker 1:That's probably an easy thing we can honestly fix just with our. We won't mess with it right now. Yeah, let's not mess with it.
Speaker 2:Oh see Mike's here. Holy crap, that is 4K, Okay.
Speaker 1:He's got a discerning eye, so you can tell. You can tell. And the thing is, we also have skin softening on. Well, because it was a lot of poor situation that you guys don't need to deal with. I don't, I don't, I don't know if I like it, if you don't, it's, it's all personal, I think this, I mean, I think I do, I think so check this out. I think this is what makes this really cool what is?
Speaker 1:is there's a lot of hype and talk about 4k, 1080, all that stuff very relevant, interesting conversations, and I think you're a really good example of how to navigate that decision in the should I versus, do I want to and do I like it, because, ultimately, the thing to remember, there's no wrong answer if you choose to stick with your 1080 workflow it's fine.
Speaker 2:Yes, if I use this camera but do 1080, will it look crisper than the other camera? Probably, um, probably okay, so here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1:Uh, tom and I will yeah, but oh, you didn't finish, I didn't finish it probably will look crisper than the other camera, but if that's what you wanted, the reason it might look crisper is because of, I think, almost more the autofocus than the quality of the 1080 okay, so if that's something you wanted to do, then just using my eos r would be the way to go, because it's already sitting there. I don't have to buy a new camera or get a new camera um and for a 1080 camera.
Speaker 2:It's phenomenal so because that's fuzzy for sure. So here's what we did.
Speaker 1:Uh, tech trail maker says I do 4k 24, but sometimes it is 2k 24 yeah, that's cool well, okay, so we have a screen oh you, you're gonna show the the comparison yeah yeah, so up is our current thing to that way is our other yeah, I don't know if you're going to be able to notice it on here. Looking on your big monitor here that I'm seeing, I definitely see that looks a bit mushy.
Speaker 2:It's a little fuzz.
Speaker 1:It's a little fuzzy.
Speaker 2:It's not bad though you know, Figures oh, he did figures.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, how many compliments do you get on your setup every time you post a video?
Speaker 2:Well see the thing is, especially if you go like where you're watching on a phone, it looks fantastic.
Speaker 1:You would not. Yeah, I mean on most phones. You can't even tell.
Speaker 2:But you know.
Speaker 1:If you're watching on a TV, if you're watching on a big monitor, that's crispy. I mean, look at your like facial hair. See, that's why I didn't shave today, but specifically so I could do a nice little test.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Sure, but then, as actually my facial hair was a reason that I upgraded from the 6D Mark II, because even though I went from 1080 to 1080, because the way that it like I forget what it is like the codec that it uses it was starting to get a little garbly in here, and so when I switched to the OSR, it was higher quality 1080 and it was starting to get a little garbly in here, and so when I switched the osr, it was higher quality 1080 and it was really crisp.
Speaker 2:Um, so, even though it's still 1080, it was higher quality 1080 yeah, the other thing that I really don't like about this, but I feel like we can change this is fixable.
Speaker 1:Yes, you already know what I'm gonna say. I do. I think it's real blue up it's fascinating to me. Can you go back to the screen share? It's so blue in here and we have not changed anything. We're not just comparing.
Speaker 2:Look how blue we are right now 4K and 1080.
Speaker 1:We're comparing Sony versus Canon. Colors, that's.
Speaker 2:Canon Look at, it's so blue.
Speaker 1:That's the old one.
Speaker 2:No, I know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at the quarter.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, no that's the old one and that that's pretty accurate to what it looks like in person what the canon one, yeah yes, this is so like my.
Speaker 2:We don't look like that I feel like.
Speaker 1:I feel like our skin tones are more accurate, but the back. So the thing because I even talked about this in some of my reviews the way sony cameras handle blues and greens is very, very, very different than canon cameras. Um, I actually prefer it, which was one of the reasons, because I like blues and greens, so I want them to be bold and vivid, but in this case, if you want a purple background and it's pushing- it to blue, but you know, we could definitely change.
Speaker 2:There's rgb back there, so we could change.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you would just have to change.
Speaker 2:Warmer colors or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to counteract it. That's all that should work fine. And the other thing we noticed, which I don't know if you can see maybe it's not a thing, but it'd be behind your head is the yeah, yeah, yeah, you can still see it. The Philips Hue lights for some reason on the 4K camera. Yeah, they flicker. There's some banding happening there which does not happen. It's only the Hue bulbs and it doesn't happen on the other camera at all. That's an easy fix because we have like the B7Cs and stuff. But right now you've got your Hue bulbs all perfectly set in to the app on your stream deck and everything yeah, I didn't want to change it, since this is not a and I've heard that newer hue bulbs don't flicker, but these ones are like six years old, so uh, let's see, gil does 4k 24
Speaker 2:as well if on mobile it is probably downgrading to 720k anyway, 720 anyway 720k yeah on my tv now and phone. I did notice the blue.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting yeah it's very it's it's just the way, the different so blue the color science, as they say. Between different manufacturers it just works differently. They process and handle colors yeah differently, the camera sensors work differently. Um, that is such a perfect example, though, of canon versus sony, because they're so distinct and different yeah, I mean it's definitely.
Speaker 2:This is fuzzy.
Speaker 1:It looks out of focus compared to this I am curious how much of that is auto focus versus manual focus, because I mean, your manual focus is in focus and I feel like when it's your we're also I focus, and I feel like when it's your well we're also I don't know. I feel like when it's your videos, your videos always look crystal clear and sharp, which is you in manual focus, but the stream looks mushy. I don't know why. Nothing should change.
Speaker 2:No, it's like this, is it? Yeah, because, like even if I showed you my video, the most recent video I put out. It was like this when you full screen it.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe I'm just seeing it on the tiny screen. Then the other thing that's really cool with autofocus. So anyone who has the ZV-E10, you can actually help me with this too. I was using it yesterday for a video call and I had forgotten to do the thing you have to do every time you get a brand new Sony camera, which is you go in and you turn off the temperature setting or you set it to high because it comes with like an overheat setting. That's normal and the camera will overheat. So I had a video call yesterday and it the camera kept turning off and I was like, why is my camera turning off? It has power. Blah, blah, blah. And I realized, oh, I forgot to change that setting to high and then it won't turn off, which the camera now has been on for an hour because we did some stuff before this. I'm seeing the little overheat symbol on the LCD of the camera.
Speaker 2:I mean, it would just turn off, but it's not turning off.
Speaker 1:So I'm wondering, because the thing, the one thing I don't like about the ZV-E10 so far that I've been playing with it, I'm so impressed with it is it uses the old school Sony menu system which sucks Like it's really the old Sony menus are bad and very confusing and the interface is a little funky and I'm wondering if that's just something that's just always there. So if you have the ZV-E10, especially if you use it in 4K, does the little overheat thing just show up all the time, even though the camera doesn't turn off, or not? And I don't know, and maybe that's something they just stopped doing in newer cameras.
Speaker 1:Mr camera junkie says I use a magenta shift on all my sony cameras to get my colors where I like it yeah, and we kind of played with that in ecam a little bit, but then it was playing with our um, our skin tone. Oh, you can do it in the camera, you can. You can actually change the way the camera in the menu handles the colors a little bit so blue.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh it.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, it's very blue. See to me. I was like, oh, this looks great Because, yeah, but here's something that's actually pretty cool and it's well. Yeah, right now it's autofocus so I can see like Heather's. It's focusing on Heather's eye, but I'm secondary. It has a box around my face, so it knows there's two people here. You can even go into the settings and prioritize faces so you could register both our faces but tell it focus on you first, then me, or vice versa, which is cool, and you can do that on a lot of new cameras too.
Speaker 1:But the other thing which I'm going to have to lean over here and push a button is the product showcase mode, so we've never been able to do this. Every time I want to show something like here's the old 6d mark ii. If I put that up here, it should. I said you should there we go there, it goes wow, now we can.
Speaker 1:You can see the camera here or that and then we go back it should. There it is. You need to play with the settings. The problem with product showcase mode, though, at least in this specific environment is is your microphone is in front and it kept thinking your mic was a product and focusing on that and then going out of focus, so that's why I had it turned off. I feel like there's something to work around with, but on our first time using this, I didn't want to like throw another variable in the mix.
Speaker 2:Coach Constance. I have a little fan directed on it, although the little fan does make some noise. Tech Troublemaker says I never look at the camera screen. I have to check. I have my ZV-E10 mounted in the Elgato prompter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what this one is in right now, but where I'm sitting I can just see the screen peeking out the side.
Speaker 2:But Heather can't see it at all. I can't see it at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so that's our. I don't know, we'll see. We'll see what happens if the camera turns off. So far, though, I've been so impressed with the ZV-E10. I have a video coming out next week.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, especially with the price point, it's the go-to camera.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. I can even say that is like, if you're gonna jump in today, this is the one sony's also letting me borrow the zv e10 mark 2, the new one that just came out, so that should be here in the next day or two I think I have that for like a month as well um, which will be a fun thing to compare and I'm excited about it because I can see, like, the quality of life features. Yeah, I can see why it's good.
Speaker 1:But but, it's also like it's like with the lens, that 1100,100 camera and to me it's like $1,100 camera is good. Yeah, it should be like, of course, um, not that a seven or eight hundred dollar camera shouldn't be good, but the, the level of quality, all the things it can do for that price point is crazy. And I did also rent the um. Sony didn't send it with the lens, so I had also rent the um. Sony didn't send it with the lens, so I had to rent the, the lens that would come with it, the kit lens that comes with the ZV-E10, which is a 16 to 50. We're using the Sigma 16 right now, so it should. That's why it should be like the same field of view, roughly the same background blur as normal.
Speaker 1:Um, this can do 16, but it won't do that. But it's still like to take the camera out of the box and be able to use it it's really good and to also the fact it can zoom and let you figure out like I like 16, I like 24, I like 50. Like then, if you want to buy a new lens, you could figure out like I always have this lens at 50. Maybe I should get a 50 millimeter lens, kind of of thing. So it's a great way to learn um, and that's just very, very cool for the price yeah yeah yeah, I'm still.
Speaker 1:I'm peeking on this.
Speaker 2:I'm still I feel like this is just hesitance, but I feel like eventually we gotta make the leap, I mean at some point yeah, like, at some point you will need a new camera, whether or not you want one.
Speaker 1:Like you, you'll need one. Probably, maybe, I don't know, maybe not, um, and yeah, but the the thing. The funny thing, though, is that this camera, the 6d mark ii, has not been off of the tripod and like unscrewed in years four.
Speaker 1:I don't like many years, um, and so I was like taking it, moving it, and it was a really good reminder though it's a big, chunky boy, but Canon cameras just feel so good, like they're just like, oh yeah, the buttons and the way everything works, and like the, the solidness and the way it just fits right in your hand. Canon is really good at that.
Speaker 2:Nobody else really comes close?
Speaker 1:I don't think, and this was a fun reminder of that.
Speaker 2:Well, good, and you cleaned it and I got to clean it yeah Over.
Speaker 1:You Went through and cleaned it all up. Still in perfect shape, looks like a brand new camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mike says I like the way the E10 feels in hand. It feels portable, but not cheap, even though it is lightweight plastic.
Speaker 1:I actually expected it to feel much cheaper and more plasticky. I've used them before, but I've always used them where, like, they were already mounted on a tripod.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:And so I wasn't like picking it up, holding it, moving it around, and, yeah, I was kind of impressed with that too. Like it is, it's like oh, this is not bad at all, yeah, so that's cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, I mean I need to dial it in.
Speaker 1:I feel like if it.
Speaker 2:See, because I'm not even looking at the number of Ks, I'm just looking at purple and blue.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm sure if it were purple I'd be like oh my God, this is awesome.
Speaker 1:I mean I could go back there and try to switch that light.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, it's all good to switch that light. No, no, it's all good for today.
Speaker 1:we'll stick with this okay, yeah, because then when we switch cameras back, yeah, well, if we remember the settings, the light is that we'll have to write it down.
Speaker 2:So yeah, well, good, I'm excited. When are you, when is your review going to come out?
Speaker 1:I haven't made the review yet because I've been using the camera, but I do have a video coming out next week. That's all about putting together a I call it the ultimate simple 4k streaming setup yes, this was a beast of a video oh man, I it almost killed me, um, but it's centered around the zbe 10 as the camera and and ecam and stuff.
Speaker 1:So it's like it's not making the most extreme streaming setup, it's not making the simplest setup, it's like the ultimate simple setup for 4k streaming and the e10. There's a huge, huge chunk, including comparisons with my fx3 and stuff, and then I do want to do a review on it, um, specifically where I can talk about the two lenses that I'm borrowing with it, and then I'd like to um compare it to the mark ii as well, which I know.
Speaker 1:I know I'm behind the curve. This camera came out like many years ago or whatever, but like whatever, I'm getting it now yeah or barring it now yeah well, should we jump into our segment? Yeah, I know, this is a very gear centric episode. This is a gear centric but we're changing our workflow, and so that's yeah because well before that, yeah you published a video on your tutorial channel this week first video in over a year on that channel and it was great what was it?
Speaker 2:it was about, uh, the office upgrade which we've, you know, showed on the couples table a couple times. But, um, yeah, just because I had all this footage of the behind the scenes of us, you know, cutting the wood painting the wall and stuff, so um that was fun yeah, and it's a.
Speaker 1:It was a nice like before and after story to kind of show yeah, I just wanted to remind, because this kind of ties in, because that was a big thing with that video was the upgrades you made were not visible on camera yeah, not yeah and now it's kind of but it all kind of filters in. So now it's like maybe you're you're tinkering with, like what can, can I change on camera?
Speaker 2:We have some more. That's true. I think a huge part of the reason why we're in this whole like phase is because we got fiber.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, we couldn't stream in 4K before. I forgot to even do the speed test, which should be fine. Yeah, so even in Heather's office, which is, for some reason, it's just a bunker and there's? No, there's never reception in here or signal in here. Even in Heather's office, no. On Wi-Fi, ecamm is telling us to stream in 4K to one destination. With our current settings, we need 12.3 megabits per second. Currently we have 172. So we should have 2000. If we were plugged in, you'd be getting 2000. Yeah, and it'd be no problem at all streaming 8K.
Speaker 2:I wasn't even getting that, you know.
Speaker 1:We weren't even getting the 12 before, so we couldn't stream in 4K. Sometimes we weren't even getting to 12 before, so we couldn't stream in 4K Sometimes we could barely stream in 1080. Yeah and so, yeah. So that just kind of. And for you, especially because you use the exact same setup for streaming and for recording videos, it would make no sense, like, even if you switch your video recording to 4K, having to switch your settings to 1080 to stream and back like no it needs to be the same for both so yeah uh, gill says I always recommended the camera so I'm happy to see it in action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one hozik mac.
Speaker 2:All right, earlier, start today. Great to have caught you anyway. Oh, that's a zv. E10 shows right away. You guys can tell right away, huh well, the camera nerds 100 can tell wow but you know I mean, see, that makes me think that we should be on 4k. It's not that, it's bad the thing.
Speaker 1:So here's something too that that other people could help with, um, because I mean also knowing the things that bother and don't bother heather. Uh, since we're in autofocus, I don't see the image pulsing or doing much focus, breathing like the side of the frame kind of going in and out as we're moving it, or the like the christmas lights in the background sort of changing their shape. It doesn't seem like there's much of it, but, um, I'd be curious to know what other people think we'll have to watch the replay are you noticing, as we're moving around is?
Speaker 1:oh, actually, I think I did just see him change a little bit. Oh, but you don't, you don't do this.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to go like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think if you're, if you're talking more like this, like normal, you're kind of your position's dictated by your microphone.
Speaker 2:Also, I don't, we don't know that much, are you?
Speaker 1:hardwired in.
Speaker 2:Hardwired.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I was going to flip the A in the I. I've been flipping the A in the I Hardwired.
Speaker 2:We are not.
Speaker 1:No, we're Wi-Fi baby.
Speaker 2:We could, though.
Speaker 1:We don't need to is the cool thing, For what we need right now in here, Wi-Fi is more than enough the thing is to hardwire in my office.
Speaker 2:we have to run like a hundred foot Ethernet cable all the way from the living room down the hall under rugs, through the dining room, and it's just this long cord. This way it's not like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but we've been doing like we've been doing Final Fantasy in here on Wi-Fi. It's fine. Both of us yeah, yeah, like it is fine, because the download speed is either equal to or even higher than the upload speed, so that's fine. The upload is the big one for streaming, sharing content.
Speaker 2:Audio hotline hey, yeah, it looks way better oh man, Again camera nerds are going to notice it instantly. But I feel, yeah, but we would have to get one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we would.
Speaker 2:Because it's like $1,300.
Speaker 1:For this whole setup it's about $1,000. For the ZV-E10 Mark I and the Sigma lens about $1,000.
Speaker 2:You don't have this lens already? Mm-mm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't have. All right. The only lens I have which we could actually adapt is the one you're using, because it's a Sigma lens.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I can adapt it to a Sony camera and it will still autofocus, but it's 24 millimeters, so it would be much more cropped in. Yeah, this is the lens that's going to give you this look. I'm I am kind of curious what the default the kit lens looks like. It would change the lighting entirely, but and the focus but I'm sick, max, I have to say.
Speaker 2:I know heather doesn't like the changes. The image is more contrasty and crisper love it. I mean you guys. Multiple people have come I love it.
Speaker 1:I think it looks great like looking over here at these. It's. It's really good.
Speaker 2:No, I would be curious, though I mean, honestly, if the blue, if it didn't look so blue. I'm sure, because I am noticing the thing that I noticed, and it's the colors. It's not, you know, I can't even see that far like where the prompter is, so in terms of quality, it doesn't really.
Speaker 1:It's like if we wanted to go crazy right now, which we probably don't, but I could go get my eos r and we could plug it in and see if it's auto focus. I'm you know keeping it simple, but you want to switch your camera live okay, we don't have to do that, I would. The thing is, I'm curious how much of the crispness is 4k versus autofocus? I have a feeling a lot of it's 4k, but I don't know, um, or.
Speaker 1:The other thing is to switch the light and see, because I'm curious if this were purple back here, if you'd be like, oh my god, I have to have it right now or or if it's just because of the blue, I think I'm gonna do that uh, okay, the breathing is well controlled right now.
Speaker 2:What are you doing?
Speaker 1:I'm trying to go switch that light this, the flood light at the floor well, the flood light's one of them, but the nan light back there.
Speaker 2:Well, the floodlight control is in that box. Right there we see more details. It's just wonderful Way to go. Heather and Tom Hovesick, mac super chatted A little contribution to keep the camera. Oh, you'll see, heather, when you watch the replay. Well, so here Did you find it? No, it's in the box.
Speaker 1:In this box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, so here's the screen share. This is a couples table from what last week or the week before. That's last week. Okay, this is last week, so this is just like a frozen frame.
Speaker 1:The Sony ZV-E10. Like a frozen frame. The sony zve 10 it's definitely fuzzy.
Speaker 2:Compared to this, which was the test that we did before the stream, it's definitely fuzzy like thousand percent. That's a huge difference. It really is. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:trying to change this light, okay, can you remember what it was though. It was blue.
Speaker 2:I know, but there's like three different blue buttons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the top right one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm so nervous when things change, you know.
Speaker 1:I know I get it. I'm sorry. That's why I feel bad.
Speaker 2:No, it's okay. Well, that light's weird.
Speaker 1:I think that light's kind of breaking. But this one I did change changed.
Speaker 2:This is purple now, this light. Well, your chair is covering it and it does not look. It still looks blue. Yeah, Go like pink If you do pink. No, oh there. Well, it's not as solid at the bottom though.
Speaker 1:But that. That's just blue. Well, I turned it off.
Speaker 2:That's no light, that's that that's pink, we're gonna dial it in we'll dial it in yeah yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't need to play with that right now. We'll put it back where it was there you go.
Speaker 2:I mean, I can definitely see, like my. The reflection of the light on my glasses is crisp. It's very crisp. Crisp is the word.
Speaker 1:The thing is, I want you to make decisions because you want to make them. I never want you to feel like you should, and I know how you feel too. Sometimes it's like I feel like I should be doing this and then I make the decision. You're like why did?
Speaker 2:I let myself. The thing that I'm hesitant about is like is this going to change my workflow in terms of editing, because I I worry about storage man I don't know, I I don't think so yeah, like my computer only has 16 gigs available well, that's not a lot, that's not exactly, yeah, I only have. That's the thing like when this stream is, I don't even think I think it's gonna break because it doesn't even have enough to like save this but you could just record to an external drive or something yes, I could like that's a that's so solvable that I wouldn't, that's so solvable that I wouldn't 60 gigs available, but yeah, I would.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would just put an ssd and then it's done so on the bunzo. Uh, fix it in post.
Speaker 1:Persuading h is the same as when my wife moves a painting in the room with two inches and says, oh, isn't it much better I just, I just want you any decisions you make with your office, your workflow, your channel, your setup, I want it to be your decision oh my gosh, kathy thought I'd enjoy the stream while doing some test prep, but middle schoolers want a middle school day, day 10 and another fight.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, it's friday.
Speaker 1:They got the wiggles I just can't even it's friday, they're ready there's always something there's a full moon, it's Friday, it's you know.
Speaker 2:Dave Dunn, good to see you. Hey everyone, I'll be on and off Cool.
Speaker 1:Alrighty.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, it's not that I don't, it's not that I don't think it's, it's not that I don't want it. Okay it's a thousand bucks. Yeah, what if? If I had a thousand dollars just laying around, I would upgrade our gaming setup.
Speaker 1:Well, what, what right? Okay, what if it wasn't this or that? What if it was? And this is not a thing, but I'm just saying like, what if sony was like wow, we love all the cd10 content, just keep the camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it so it was just sitting here, obviously, but we're just sitting here, of course okay, yeah, okay, that's yeah, no, no, if it were just sitting here um that's not a thing, maybe. Maybe it's like because I don't have it. I'm trying, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like not even on the table, just to be aware of it, especially with this one, because it does go on sale a lot. It was 500 bucks this past week or something. It was like on a crazy sale. Yeah, and that's what's cool, because the new one came out.
Speaker 2:The old one is oh, look at this audio highlight everything I do is on an external hard drive.
Speaker 1:Everything yeah, that makes sense is that what you do?
Speaker 2:no, because you do it on a laptop no, but my macbook.
Speaker 1:I spent extra money when I bought it to upgrade the internal storage homesick.
Speaker 2:Max one hour live stream is seven, eight, seven to eight gigs per yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it would be very different if you were using the files from the SD card but recording into Ecamm. I don't think it's going to be the same. Ecamm is still going to be 4K, but I think it's to work a little bit of magic and make the files a little bit smaller.
Speaker 2:Love the vid on studio, by the way, yay.
Speaker 1:That was a good video. If you haven't seen it on youtubecom, heather ramirez.
Speaker 2:It's a very good video that explains a lot. It shows so much more of the process and well. So here's my goal. I'm gonna put it out there everybody. I'm gonna try to stick to an upload schedule like this guy, okay. So thursday 5 15 am, pacific standard I'm gonna have that's me okay it doesn't have to be so. My thing is that it doesn't have to be on heather ramirez it's just a video I have to put out a video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it could be a vlog. It could be on the gaming channel which I've had such a pull towards lately yeah uh, or it could be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it could be here, could be on heather ramirez, doesn't matter, just gonna put out so yeah kiss, keep it super simple speaking of the gaming channel, do you want to dive into our gear of the week segment, where we share something we're excited about. Yeah, this week both cases very affordable. Yes, okay.
Speaker 2:So, tom, I don't remember if we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1:I don't either, but I have it here just in case I know we did, because lewis asked me to text him. I did talk about my mouse last week.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, so Tom got an MMO mouse because of Final Fantasy XIV which, by the way, gil, we should meet up in game.
Speaker 1:I hit level 50 last night.
Speaker 2:Yes, these are all the things.
Speaker 1:I'm almost done with Realm Reborn.
Speaker 2:These are all the things Well, so okay, sorry, thoughts. My next video idea is what does?
Speaker 1:Tom think about playing an MMO. Yeah, and what does Tom?
Speaker 2:think about ARR.
Speaker 1:It's arguably great. Yeah Well, I know it's like the least favorite of the.
Speaker 2:Anyway, that's videos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a different topic.
Speaker 2:So he got a mouse.
Speaker 1:Oh, now you can show the buttons. Oh, yeah, I think I actually, even without product showcase, it should maybe still. Yeah, see, this is why I use you know what. Let's turn on product showcase for gear of the week here. Oh see, this is I've never been able to to do it. If it actually works, recognize that I'm holding this up look at that that there we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this is the Razer Naga V2 Pro, and it comes with 12 buttons on the side, but what's really cool about this is this one. It's magnetic and so this pops off, and it comes with other ones that have like fewer buttons on them, but the whole point of an MMO mouse is to have this, which the really funny thing is.
Speaker 2:We were in Best Buy like three months ago, and we just went through the gaming thing and I saw these mouse, I was like why do you need, like a telephone keypad on the side of your mouse?
Speaker 1:That's crazy. And also listen. Sean would know why you need 12 buttons on the phone I haven't touched the number row on my keyboard since getting it, and I also have a video then about programming an MMO mouse, not only for Mac, because the tricky thing is these are not officially Mac compatible, but you can do it and it's very simple. And took it a step further and started programming it for Final Cut and Ecamm and stuff.
Speaker 2:So you can do like anything all your keyboard. It's basically a stream deck under your thumb.
Speaker 1:Essentially you can use it that way. Yeah, you can do key command, system command, so it's like final cut. I can like blade all mark clips undo.
Speaker 2:Yeah program it to whatever yeah, deactivate.
Speaker 1:Activate clips okay, so gear of the week so anyway that I got that last week and was excited about it. Heather's been watching me game with it.
Speaker 2:Okay, guys, I have made the decision that I'm going all white with my gear. Okay so, Elgato, you're going to have to come out with a white prompter.
Speaker 1:First you went white with your husband, then white with the gear.
Speaker 2:Stop, you didn't go there.
Speaker 1:No, you went there.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this mouse, so you got this one originally, originally, but then he had trouble. He had trouble so got the razor, which was like 150 bucks or something yeah yeah, this is apparently only 38 on amazon right now it's usually 50, but yeah the last day or two.
Speaker 1:Here's mine come on, come on, come on, come on product.
Speaker 2:There it is. Look at those buttons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it? Yours also has a lot more lights on it.
Speaker 2:Yes, actually, let me turn it on Because it's pretty.
Speaker 1:And it comes in a black too, if you didn't want the white, yeah, but it's much more affordable. I guess the big difference is this one only works with a dongle, with a USB dongle.
Speaker 2:It.
Speaker 1:Which for gaming, I guess, and maybe Sean will know, is better because there's zero delay, zero lag. This one can do dongle or Bluetooth, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so comfy though, like it's comfy and I can't. I haven't programmed it for Final Cut, but I can't. So I used it for Final Fantasy yesterday and game changer, huge game changer, huge game changer, and I can definitely tell that when I use final cut.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, just to be able to so quickly push the buttons right here to bleed it's crazy the thing with these mice is it's crazy how not incredibly difficult it is to get used to all these buttons, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you're like, how did I live before?
Speaker 1:because they're also like they're textured and raised, so you can just feel so nice yeah, and the thing, so the thing, with both your mice. The mouse you've been using before is the logitech mx master, which is very popular and I didn't notice this it only has three buttons that one and this one, though they have a thumb rest yeah which is really nice, because then when you move the mouth, your thumb stays on the mouse. Mine does not have a thumb oh, I've had that thumb rest.
Speaker 2:I thought all mice had that. It didn't.
Speaker 1:I was like wait, why is your shape like that? Because I always thought it looked like it was melting, but no, it's then and now yeah I never noticed this before in my life and now I'm so conscious of my thumb, like scraping on the mat oh, you don't have one no oh for 150 I have a pinky rest or no.
Speaker 2:I guess it's a ring finger rest oh, okay, yeah, but the other ones have that too yeah, so I don't it's I.
Speaker 1:I think I would prefer that if I could, and I don't. I guess they don't make a side panel. That's the 12 keys with the mouse thing or with the thumb rest, but no, I mean for this mouse. Oh, but I really like this mouse. So what happened, though? When heather said it didn't work and this is why I did end up making a video, which will be out at some point I bought that mouse because it was. It was uh, way more affordable, and at one point I thought I like bricked the keyboard on my macbook because I was like there's no.
Speaker 2:I was in tears I was holding them back.
Speaker 1:There's no, they were in your eyes. There's no Mac software.
Speaker 2:Because I thought the workhorse that frigging runs our business. Tom was just sitting there in front of the laptop like I did something really bad and I was like you. It was like the equivalent of a mom pop shop, having like a giant pipe break yeah, but I broke the pipe yeah like uh, yeah, and it was and I was like what?
Speaker 1:because the thing is there's, there's, there is not a an mmo 12 button mouse.
Speaker 2:That's default mac compatible because everyone here knows, since we use ecam, we're all max yeah. So that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1:And yeah, like some mice, like logitech is really good with their other mice and making them mac compatible, that's kind of it. Otherwise, especially if you want to do something really customizable, there's not much and so you have to rely, you have to dive into this world of like like open source, third party unofficially supported software, and I got that mouse and I had tried to program it following there's not a there's like there's not a single tutorial that explains clearly how to do it. So I'm trying to synthesize info from, like multiple tutorials. I'm trying to use chat gbt to help me how to do it and you're messing with permissions and at one point, basically like the mouse wasn't working and my macbook's thing, so I had to like so tom couldn't use his Mac.
Speaker 2:We fixed the problem which he edits all his videos on and I was like, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we fixed it. I had to undo and delete everything and then the mouse wasn't working right. So I was like, okay, I returned it. Then I found out that Razer does not have a Mac app, but there's an unofficial Mac app for Razer products. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna get the Razer one. And it was just at Best Buy. So I was like, just go get it right now. And you picked it up from it, which is very nice.
Speaker 1:So I got that downloaded, the unofficial Razer thing. It does support a bunch of stuff, but this is a newer-ish. It doesn't support this one. So then I did find an application called Steer Mouse, which I did find an application called SteerMouse which has a 30-day free trial and otherwise it's $20 after that, and it actually I had to make a whole video about it because I struggled so hard to figure this out. It very easily lets you customize everything, program everything. It's super simple. I don't know why literally no videos. Just explain how to do this in plain English, simply. And so that then let us, let us use it. And then heather got that same mouse. Worked totally fine with steer mouse yesterday. Works totally fine with the computer today.
Speaker 2:How pretty it is. It's like and it's gorgeous yeah, so um sorry, that was a lot I'm going to slowly upgrade everything I have keyboard stream, deck speaker we've used your keyboard for a long time, so getting a mechanic look how pretty and maybe somebody has.
Speaker 1:Maybe someone because you, you want to stick with the mechanical keyboard yeah you want it to be white but you also want to be bluetooth that can switch like, so she could switch between her macbook and her mac mini.
Speaker 1:Like I have the logitech mx keys, I have this keyboard, which I really like. Um, I'm not as like obsessed with needing the mechanical thing, but the reason I got this one is because it just has these buttons here which let you switch. I can do macbook, mac mini or ipad boom oh yeah, I need that, it's really nice, but I got this because I didn't think there were mechanical keyboards. So if there are mechanical keyboards, let you do that.
Speaker 2:Do what this does the whole. So, yeah, we upgraded my office and then, after that, after everything was all said and done, we dove into Final Fantasy XIV.
Speaker 1:So now we need to like.
Speaker 2:So now, like we have to basically not, you know, we have to tweak the setup because I use my mac mini for streaming to record my videos. Like that was the you know computer in this office. Uh, it is so good, I'm sorry. Oh, it does look good. Yeah, it does look good. It looks real good. Um, but, uh, mac mini Fantasy XIV, not the business. It was choppy.
Speaker 1:Well, base model M1.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just not happening. So I download it on my MacBook Pro and it works like a dream. So now we have both the Mac Mini and the MacBook here. So now we have, like, both the Mac mini and the MacBook here and we're trying to do a two computer setup with the same keyboard, the same monitor, the same mouse.
Speaker 1:Which is totally possible, which?
Speaker 2:leads me to Tom's gear of the week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a very cool thing that I didn't. I guess I knew existed, but I don't know what's so affordable and so simple? This is an hdmi switcher, not like an atem or something lets you like stream or whatever. This lets you switch hdmi sources. So, um, this is not where it's permanent. We're gonna mount it under the desk, so it's like a cool thing for right now it's just velcro to the side of heather's monitor arm.
Speaker 1:I locked the scene hold up and I'm ready to hold my arm here. Oh no, oh, we got it, yeah how does this happen?
Speaker 2:I?
Speaker 1:don't know, the ecam on here is very weird I have to um reinstall where we yeah, that should be on our to-do list for the week.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that here here, here, let's do this and let's change it to iPhone. There it is, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So this little thing right here. They come in different colors. Heather got purple.
Speaker 1:Because, you know, you can kind of see there's two HDMIs going on one side and one coming out the other, and so what that is is the single one goes into the monitor and the two one of them is the MacBook and one of them is the Mac mini and you can push the button on there and it just switches from one to the other what shows on the monitor. Yeah, it takes you push the button and it takes like five or six seconds to actually fully switch over. That might change depending on your monitor, but that is an easy way. When Heather wants to like jump to her Mac mini, push a button work on the Mac mini.
Speaker 1:Jump to the MacBook do that and the cool thing about that, it was $12. Very affordable, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, that's a very specific use case, but it's been awesome.
Speaker 1:Lots of people said they were using them for, like TVs and stuff where they ran out of HDMI inputs. But they want to do like you know you have your PS5 and your switch and your your Apple TV or whatever and you need to switch between them. So that thing is awesome and I want to get it mounted like under here so you can you can sit down and just push a button right here and switch.
Speaker 2:Let's see Sean says a story and FF14 picks up after ARR.
Speaker 1:See after arr. See, I'm having a great time. I mean, I did too, it's not bad.
Speaker 2:I know, I know it gets you know better and I'm excited, I'm very excited for that better storytelling. I don't like okay, for example, um, in each expansion there are definitely, like people who prefer one over the other yeah, of course yeah, so it's like this.
Speaker 1:The storytelling gets better, but that you know it's the story obviously is like personal preference yeah, but I mean I know that I know basically it just becomes better, um, but it is very and, as someone diving in for the first time, it's super enjoyable gil says he's got to catch up. Oh sean, use a controller oh, you used to use a controller yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:I have to. It's already been so hard to remember how to play on a mouse and keyboard. I can't imagine going back to my ps5.
Speaker 1:I will, but but can't you pair a mouse and keyboard to the ps5 and play the same way?
Speaker 2:why would I go out there if I could play right next to you?
Speaker 1:but I mean, like I was for some reason, I was imagining a ps5 in here, but like oh no well, I have the xbox out there. We could just play out there together I like our I have to rebuy it on xbox.
Speaker 2:Yeah mmo mouse are great. Uh, homestick my gamers to prove it. But my Logitech Lift is a vertical mouse and it's very comfy, a vertical mouse.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's one of those like crazy looking ones.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You were about to say huh, and I was like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:We just saw something somewhere that was a mouse we hadn't seen before. Oh, you can look it up there.
Speaker 2:Vertical vertical mouse Look at Logitech Lift.
Speaker 1:Oh, like that guy.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:That is very different.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is it. Oh, hold on Lift. Oh, wow, look at that thing, hold on.
Speaker 1:Oh, here you go. You can see down there at the bottom, okay wow, so it's like, it's like this I get. I feel like, especially for your wrist and especially for someone who has, like wrist issues, carpal tunnel or whatever, show me the vid. Did they put an eyelash on this for? Engagement oh see, wrist pain oh, that's actually pretty sweet copyright claim.
Speaker 2:I think that that audio blasted everybody's sorry brains uh, let's see joe I brought the road pod mic usb from amazon last week but sally didn't work. It was an authorized reseller. Went online with road to troubleshoot and they couldn't fix it. Ended up returning mike to amazon as road gave me 20% from my troubles to buy them from from them directly. Next up would be their headphones tom recommended this week and eventually the duo oh sweet, I'm glad they took care.
Speaker 1:I mean road. I'm glad they took care of you, even though you didn't buy it for them.
Speaker 2:That's awesome that's really cool. Mx has that, I think has I forgot what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think you can, but I am a pc player. I'm so happy about playing this game. Now our we gotta meet up in game, so I can. I can't add you to my friends list until we meet up in game because you're on a different um server server. Yeah, we're on the same world center. Thankfully, it's really easy to play with people from other servers. I was actually on a different server than Tom and then I moved to use a Thunderbolt docking station for more USB ports.
Speaker 1:Currently no, but I did just talk to a company called Sonatech that makes USB docks and things and I believe they are sending one that seems pretty awesome and has a lot more like Thunderbolt 4 ports and stuff. So I don't have that, but they just send it over to check it out and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't mind trying. That mouse says MCJ. I feel like that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:It's very cool, I totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to go to Best Buy and maybe they have one on display. But let me tell you this, mouse though I, it really is one of those things where like this is not the same thing, like it is noticeably different Right, noticeably. It's just so smooth, like look at how this thing is, like just it's the best, it's the best. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:I. I want to see the thing that originally sold me on this mouse. Can we? Is it this one? Yeah, okay, so here.
Speaker 2:Let me do something real quick. Okay, we're gonna go like this, and and we're going to go. We locked the scene, did you know? To Chrome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kadush. All right, cool. So this is the mouse, the Utech Smart. But I mean, look at the reviews though. It's 22,000 reviews, four and a half stars. It even says IGN recommendation. I was browsing my my, oh, it's even like cheaper today. Oh, that's the wired one.
Speaker 2:they have wired and wireless oh, come on, look at that cute, cute white and purple one. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1:stop. I'm gonna scroll down to the reviews because this had one of my favorite. This review right here is probably one of my favorite amazon reviews ever. Um, because it's a really good review. Like, the guy talks about everything but the intro. Buckle up, guys. This review is going to be long. Amazing mouse. I started using it on january 4th 2018 and here it is, over a year later, still working flawlessly. Not sure what other reviews mean, with the software being a nightmare. Literally, all I did was search you tech smart software in the first result. That's for pc, but it's this part here now claps hands together mouse review. I love someone going this hard on an amazon review, especially five years ago. Um, and the rest of it is just really fun. So, anyway, that was where I was like, okay, this guy's enthusiasm sold me on getting this mouse.
Speaker 2:That's how it works, even though now I have the razor mouse. But yeah, well, I have this mouse you have that freaking love it I'm so glad.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad.
Speaker 2:I was very skeptical, like oh, she's gonna keep the box for that thing, because it might get sent back no I'm so happy it's the best me and my mouse, yeah, and then, um, so tom has a low profile arm that's in white and we tried it and I didn't like it. But I feel like I kind of want to try it again.
Speaker 1:But the thing is like.
Speaker 2:I feel like it would be the, the mic arm would be so noticeable, though that's what you didn't like about it.
Speaker 1:It's not that like sitting here hanging out, you liked it if this was white.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if we're just in here and we're vibing, I prefer it is the only thing you see, but on camera. It's gonna be like eyes to the arm, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's the, that's the downside, but like white keyboard, white mouse, you know that kind of stuff I yeah, totally dig, and you know road makes a white roadcaster, white pod mic a white. They make white boom arms as well all the things they released everything in white. That's cool.
Speaker 2:The white roadcaster looks kind of awesome because it looks like this with all the lights and stuff they did ask last year when they were coming out.
Speaker 1:They were like oh, we're coming out with everything white. Would you like us to send you one? And I was like no, like I really wanted it, but I was like I have zero need for this. So I said no, but I was like it's really cool, yeah well, there you go yeah, this is a very gear heavy episode, but you know what. So what are we doing?
Speaker 2:what are we doing for next week for the stream?
Speaker 1:well, there's actually one more thing I did want to share, which is this microphone right here. Oh go ahead, because this is which you can't see, because it's on. I need to use my white, my white gaming chair. There we go.
Speaker 1:The mic I've been using today is the Shure SM4, which is a new microphone that Shure released just this week, on Tuesday, and it's cool. It's a little condenser mic. The version I have wow, I should not have worn a black shirt for this. This should have been a white microphone. It would solve my problem, not like Kamala Harris is calling us. The microphone itself, I think, is quite nice. It feels really good.
Speaker 1:This came with a shock mount, which is really like a weak point on shock mounts is always this part here that lets you adjust it, and this one is nice and solid, which is really cool and kind of taking a page out of the Lewitt playbook. It comes with a metal mesh pop filter that's magnetic and just kind of clips right on there, and now Peter Piper pitched a podcast. There we go. So the Shure SM4, which I definitely do want to do a review on. I quite like this microphone, but it's very different. I know that it shouldn't compare it to the sm7b, but what's very interesting to me about this is it has a real specific sound. It's not like a neutral microphone like I see so it's.
Speaker 1:It might not sound good on every voice, but if you have a voice that works with it, I think it'd be great, and I do like the way that it sounds on my voice yeah so I've been, I've been liking it a lot. Um, actually, before coming in here it was on my white elgato arm robin baker, it's time for a white rocaster heather it's cute. You put it on an arm. Put it on a white arm.
Speaker 2:Swinging over here, yeah does the vocaster 2 come in white?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't think so, I don't know. White is trending yeah, white is trending yeah isn't that funny that's like the old school apple days, when oh yeah, I totally because when apple finally had like a gray or a black thing, it was like what? But Apple was all white, everything for ages.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 1:See, if it's old is new again.
Speaker 2:Come full circle.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, so are we going to change the camera for the next week's stream? I don't know how long I have.
Speaker 1:I have this one for a few more weeks.
Speaker 2:No, I mean like oh to the.
Speaker 1:R or something, for I think between now and then, we should either just do our own testing okay, do an internal testing and see, yeah, and then we can share comparisons or use it next week. But whether we use it or we have comparisons, we should definitely be able be able to somehow compare it I feel like this is a big difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, this is.
Speaker 2:It's a 4K situation.
Speaker 1:This is the way to go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you told me like this is what we got to do, I'd be like, yeah, of course, and then we would just dial everything in.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, in terms of colors and Right. Yeah, just looking everything in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, in terms of colors and right, yeah, just looking at the color of your wall in person the light's purple, but it shows a blue on here it's very blue on here, but like lewis said, mr camera junkie said you can.
Speaker 2:Even in camera you can make adjustment the smile on tom's face talking about heather's potential is awesome. He loves coming in here and tinkering and I'm like, what are you?
Speaker 1:doing. I know, because I don't touch anything. Even today, we knew we were switching the camera and I was like I'm letting you know I need to disconnect the camera and take it off the tripod. And she was like, yeah, I know you have to. I'm like I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2:The camera needs to be disconnected. Okay, look, I've told myself I really really like how my shot looks. But, what if it could look better? I just need to be able to have to try, you know. So I'm open.
Speaker 1:We can always go back to where it was. Yeah, we can always go back to where it was, we can always go back to where it was Not a single setting has been changed in this camera. Yeah, turn it on. It's going to function exactly the same. Look exactly the same as it did.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's the colors that we need to play around with a little yeah.
Speaker 1:The clarity, though, is awesome. Oh yeah, and our overheating has not. Our little thing has been there, but it's look at, look at that, yeah and this is again with the uh. For anyone watching this is with the soft skin effect on, so it actually be a little crisper though I don't think I'm in focus. Who's it focusing on?
Speaker 1:oh, oh, because I had product showcase still turned on oh, there we go boom goes the dynamite, there we go sorry, okay, so so we should have that off yeah, yeah, I would probably need it more than you, but like because I'm always look at this, look at this, look at this, but you don't do that in your videos usually yeah um, so you just being able to do this, where it's clearly just auto focusing in?
Speaker 2:yeah, uh, it's not only 4k, it's that sony has the image very different from your older canon yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 1:I mean I I think the well, the older canon versus the newer sony, but canon sony in general, a lot of that does just come down to preference. Mike's a good example. I don't know if he's still here. I got hungry and had to go get a snack again, but uh, mike is all canon on his setup and his stuff looks so good. He's using the baller baller cameras like the crazy cinema cameras, but canon colors are great, like they're wonderful. And it took me a while when I switched to my sony cameras to dial it in. Yeah, stuff just wasn't looking right. And then then it literally took me like six months of making videos before it started to click. And then I was like, oh, I really like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then you only like this. You are on it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why I ended up buying a second and then a third Sony camera, because I was mixing my Canon and my Sony together at first and then, as I became more confident with how the Sony was looking, the Canon wasn't mixing in as well anymore.
Speaker 2:I still do actually mix it in sometimes, but yeah, ah, oh my god, we all stop.
Speaker 1:You see this, are you using?
Speaker 2:a different lut tonight? Uh, we are not. We're streaming in 4k is with sony camera yeah, so, like the, the entire camera is different, but that's all we changed. So the colors look different because we're going from Canon to Sony and it's all different. It's a lot more blue, which I'm not into, but that is something that we can change with the lighting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we didn't change anything else in your setup for that.
Speaker 2:Tom, you could use your PolarPro 2 5ND. That's off my image from the digital sharpness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I know a lot of people like which is so funny because cameras have gotten so sharp that people put on filters. You can do it with an ND filter, but there's literally like mist filters which are just clear but they like soften the image a little bit, I think.
Speaker 2:Bronson uses one. It's so crisp, it's like too crisp.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's funny I have never used those because, which I mean, I know a lot of us are like kind of the same age generation. But going from 8mm to Digital 8 to Mini DV to 720, 1080, 4k, the idea of going softer, I can't like, I just can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like can't do it, even though, like, I'll make a video about an old retro camcorder because it's fun. But for what I'm actually using, like I want it as sharp as possible and to probably my sharp boy over here. It's the same reason why I always have, like F1.4 and the background is super blurry, even though sometimes maybe it doesn't need to be or shouldn't be. It's like it was just, having never been able to do that for so long and now being able to do it so easily, I have a hard time, like why would I change that glimmer glass?
Speaker 1:that's what it's called, yeah that's why he looks so fabulous fabulous but bronson's shot like looks fantastic. Yeah, because he also does everything in log and color, corrects everything like not only to the technical like side of how it should be done, but then you can like mix it into the style and it just looks so good uh, it's a really cool blue, but still not your signature purple.
Speaker 2:Still gorgeous? Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1:It looks great, but you will never change if it's not purple, you ask somebody what color is? This. They would say it's blue. Yeah, no, that is a great blue like a royal blue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we're going to, we can play with it, but yeah, the thing is, the thing is, I don't want to play with it if we're not, it's step by step, like let's see how the camera even works first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it will be interesting if we get the Mark II to compare it to and see I don't know if image quality would be that much of a difference, but if there is something about that camera where it's just like oh my God, like you kind of need this one.
Speaker 2:That's what you are paying for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't know, I genuinely don't know so. And then there's also stuff like the E1, which is the same idea as being a compact camera like this, but it's Tom loves to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2:Look at him, Sorry but it's full frame. He just keeps going, you should start a YouTube channel where you talk about cameras all day.
Speaker 1:I know I feel so bad. This just became a gear episode.
Speaker 2:Mike Cinematic. Hollywood movies are less crisp, grittier look.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless it's I. I mean, it's all stylistic, typically, yes, even though some of them are. Like you know, the original godfather prints are like 8k, but nothing can display it. But then I think of something like transformers, for example, which is like, goes for crazy sharpness. Crispness like this is so much as just style, but I think things did get so sharp that people started taking it back a little bit to make it look yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, I remember a lot of local news during the shift from standard to high definition and anchors were just like caked in makeup and it was like that wasn't even 4K, that was just HD. But it was like you guys got to adjust what you're doing here because it doesn't look the same anymore. We can see more.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, we are at the top of the hour and usually we will get ice cream after the couple's table, but we had to stream earlier today because I am going to go get my hair done.
Speaker 1:Get your hair did.
Speaker 2:Get my hair did. It's time to redo the whole thing done. Get your hair did. Get my hair did. Uh, it's time to redo the whole thing. I gotta go bleach and sit in the chair for like three hours, which I'm not really looking forward to, but, um, I'm excited to go back to purple and not this fadedness so, yes, that's why we had to be early today yes, that's why we had early today, so instead of getting ice cream, we're gonna go eat lunch yay, I love lunch, and then later tonight we can play Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. So Gil, message us, sean, we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1:Join the Gil Guild. Oh yeah, see, sean was just asking if he was going to be on today.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh, we'll be on today, yeah, so I probably won't be home until.
Speaker 1:That game is so good. I can't Do you hear this and like it's so that's just so fun. It's so crazy. I can't like. It's such a pot. It's been such a positive addition like to my life that I'm so excited oh my god, that's the review.
Speaker 2:Right there a final fantasy never played an rpg, I mean I played. I've never played an mmo an mmo rpg.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, um, I'm a more book I really thought you would be overwhelmed it can get overwhelming and sometimes I think but it's nice because you have like your role, you have what you're supposed to be doing, you're're like okay, and you know, it's like there's these insane battles going on, but it's like I don't. Am I on the right target? Let me just go through my rotation. Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2:Well, at some point the couple's able to have to stream in game and I'll be got another lifer.
Speaker 1:I mean it's so nice to know I have like so much ahead of me, so much, and that it's still ongoing, like there isn't an end. You just you catch up like a tv show, but it's still in production.
Speaker 2:But I have like a ways to go before he says I just got a crop center, sony cool I wonder which one you got which one to get if you, if you hear this, you're still here and the stream is still going. Let us know all right, uh, you guys, you guys make my fr're still here and the stream is still going. Let us know. All right, you guys. You guys make my Friday evenings here.
Speaker 1:Have a great rest of the day. Well, thanks everyone for watching. Thanks for all your feedback on the stream and the cameras and everything. Yes, yeah, and just for the sake of science, I am letting everyone know that the overheating symbol is still on, but the camera is not turned off. It. I'm letting everyone know that the overheating symbol is still on, but the camera is not turned off. It's been on for over two hours now. What you got? The gigs.
Speaker 2:What happened?
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, well, thanks for watching. Hope you have a safe, happy, healthy, fun rest of your week and weekend and we'll see you next time. I don't know how to end this, I don't know where the outro is yeah write down that one, this one. Yeah, I don't.