The Couple's Table
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The Couple's Table
From Fireworks Frights to AI Ethics: Navigating Tech, Social Media, and Authenticity
Ever had your sleep hijacked by a hyperactive corgi? Tom kicks off this episode by sharing his sleepless ordeal caused by Finley’s reaction to surprise fireworks. As we navigate through the humor and exhaustion, Heather and I engage with our lively audience, discussing not only tech gadgets like our new mic stands but also fun plans for upcoming streams, including games like Scattergories and Blank Slate. Our goal? To bring a little laughter and enjoyment, even on the most restless nights.
We then shift gears to explore the fascinating journey of social media and technology. Highlighting the Zoom H1 Essential audio recorder, we reminisce about our early YouTube days and celebrate our seven-year anniversary with a nod to the book "Extremely Online." This segment is a nostalgic dive into the platforms that shaped our digital landscape, from Friendster to MySpace, and a candid discussion on the balance between innovation and authenticity in content creation, particularly when it comes to AI-generated voiceovers.
Finally, we delve into a spirited debate on the ethics of AI-generated voices in advertising and storytelling. From the subtle differences between human experiences and AI narratives to the practical applications of AI in language dubbing, we ponder the impact of these technologies on viewer engagement and authenticity. We wrap up with a quirky discussion about the authenticity of an eyebrow hair on a camera lens, reflecting on how digital content creators navigate the fine line between genuine connection and strategic manipulation. Join us for this thought-provoking episode filled with laughter, insights, and a few unexpected revelations.
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Hello and welcome. My name is Tom and.
Speaker 2:I'm Heather.
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Speaker 1:Friday, 1 pm, pacific Standard Time.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 1:I don't have my phone to check things.
Speaker 2:He's gonna check things and meanwhile we're gonna check in with the comments. Ernesto is here, my fave tech. Hello and happy Wednesday. It is totally Friday but you're throwing me off, but I think you think it's huddle up. That's why Nigel's here. Hello everyone, randall, hi guys and everyone Finally figured out Pacific time, when to that is cheers. So I was going to go mow the grass. I should mow the grass, but I like manana better. The road to health, keto and carnivore. Done right, hello is here, randall. I have been waiting all day for FedEx and finally got the Rode DS2 tabletop mic stand.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm using right here.
Speaker 2:Trying it out now, better than using the vinegar salad mixture shaking glass.
Speaker 1:You know, we use what we got to use.
Speaker 2:The shaking glass. You know, we, I guess it's enough. It's a lot of what we gotta use. You know, the real hell room is here. Hello, hello, are you hotly in the house? Hey, and rim jam, hello everyone. What's up? What's?
Speaker 1:up everybody good to see you all happy friday.
Speaker 2:How are we doing on this fine friday, tom?
Speaker 2:we're doing good well, let me tell you I had a lot of trouble sleeping last night and it's because of the corgi. Okay, so I don't know what, I don't know why, but the corgi, the corgi finley. He shares a pillow with me and that's where he thinks his bed is right. So he sleeps like pretend I'm laying down like this on my pillow. He's right here and his face is facing like me and his mouth is right next to my ear. And last night I don't know if he was thirsty like when dogs are nervous or anxious, they have telltale signs, right and because of the fireworks that have been going off since fourth of july and stuff like that, he starts panting and he starts like kind of doing this lip smacking thing like that, and he was doing it all night in my ear like that and he was doing it all night in my ear and it's like right when I was dozing off into rem sleep.
Speaker 2:Well, he kicks me in the back, I get the little corgi legs and I was like and then the one place that he does sleep that isn't on the bed? Ben was on it, so he couldn't go there and I had to move the couch he just left I. I just left Because he just wouldn't. He just wouldn't. But that's okay, we're here, yeah.
Speaker 1:We made it. I woke up to use the restroom in the middle of the night and I was walking back and you were just standing next to the bed and I walked over. All sweet.
Speaker 2:I was so sad, I was going to give you a kiss. And I was like okay, you know, isn't this cute that a corgi?
Speaker 1:wants to sleep. This close to me it is, but yeah, when you're getting robbed of your rems, uh yeah, anyway, uh, hasan is here, hello happy saturday rick on, mike is here.
Speaker 2:Happy Friday. Call me Cubbies in the house. Hi, hi Hi. So today we're gonna be doing a little something different. We are always down to do creator chat. We can definitely talk about creator stuff. I brought some activities just in case we wanted to do something a little different. Okay, we've got this game that tom and I have never played, but it's been in the game box your pitch on that was this looks stupid. I I'm not particularly interested I mean no offense, but um I like the plastic.
Speaker 2:It's called the game of things and I just yeah, so I don't know, we'll see. Then there's Scattergories which, like, we're going to play with you guys and I forgot to turn down the latency on YouTube, so there's going to be a delay, but that's okay, we can still have fun. And then there's Blank Slate, which is always fun. Live, because this one is an easy one. Answer Scattergories can get a little bit, yeah, scattered. An easy one.
Speaker 1:Answer Scattergories can get a little bit yeah scattered yeah, can get a little scattered.
Speaker 2:Maybe we'll play all three. Maybe we'll play none of them. We're just going to see where the stream takes us in the next hour. So join us, because this is going to be the most incredible hour of your day.
Speaker 1:Whoa, that is Right here right now Wow. We have expectations that I didn't expect. You know what?
Speaker 2:when you're tired, you just gotta turn on here we go.
Speaker 1:You know well. We were somewhere and someone said, oh no, we saw new kids on the block last weekend new kids on the block live and the. It was like the hype man for dj jazzy jeff yes, who opened, said like get ready for like the greatest experience of your life or something, and I was like you have set the bar, my friend. I mean it was awesome, yeah, I mean, honestly, it was pretty great, but that was high, high bar.
Speaker 2:That's a high bar. Well, this is going to be not that high of a bar, because it's just going to be the best.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Dawn is here. What we do for our dogs yes, that's exactly what was running through my head at three in the morning when I was looking at them.
Speaker 1:It's so hard because then people keep lighting off fireworks randomly.
Speaker 2:So it's like I don't know why.
Speaker 1:Neither of our dogs have ever have no real reason to be scared of fireworks. I of our dogs have ever. I have no real reason to be scared of fireworks.
Speaker 2:I've never even seen one, I guess like how the salmon swims up the stream, I don't know. Yeah, uh, the corgi is so cute. I have cats that do the same. The things we put up with for our cuteness, yes, uh, simply obs. I will agree, sleeping the corgis can be difficult. Yes, and like so, ollie, our other corgi, hated being cuddled, hated being picked up.
Speaker 1:Also did not care about fireworks.
Speaker 2:Didn't care about fireworks, but would never sleep on my pillow, ever. Are you kidding? No way. And so when Finley started sleeping on my pillow, I was like okay, this is really cute. And so I was trying to remind myself of that. He was like extra thirsty. He was like go drink some water I don't know.
Speaker 1:He's cute. Whenever we come in to do the podcast, he has to go. He goes and gets a bone and brings it in because he's like I have to have an activity and it's gonna be a while. It's like he's got his activity right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they know when we're gonna do the couple stable. Melanie's here, hey everyone. Jeremy is here, hey y'all. I heard this is where all the cool kids are hanging out, and it's the truth. That's the truth. And Doc. Hey, family Speaking of Doc we got the Doc. Pops. They're popping off right now. Look at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Actually they look great. I really like the white.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, everything goes great with white, which is nice. Green AF is the official name of this color. Seriously, yes, you should go to docmerchcom and read the copy, because obviously Doc just wrote it, it's all really funny.
Speaker 2:Let's do this, hold on.
Speaker 1:I think he uses the term fam at some point, if I'm not mistaken, or something similar.
Speaker 2:Where is this Google Chrome Bam, so you can order these Doc pops.
Speaker 1:All right, let's see looking for wait, go through the copy here, look fresh, sound fresh, because he says like what does? He said something like also at a pop of color, making it stand out. Why sell for dull when you can dazzle? Yes, yeah, oh, this is it. Doc Pops aren't just a pretty face, I don't know. I can see him sitting down to write this and I love this.
Speaker 2:Treat your mic and yourself.
Speaker 1:To a handful of Doc Pops.
Speaker 2:I love this.
Speaker 1:Maybe if you click on the Doc Pops browser you can see the color If you go up here, Go to Doc Pops here and then you can see the color If you go up. Here. Well, yeah, just go to DocPops.
Speaker 2:Here.
Speaker 1:And then when you go down to each thing, see how it says plus two, you can see the different colors and then yeah, we got Simply. Red, Green, AF Blue, Hawaii.
Speaker 2:Pretty in Pink.
Speaker 1:Insanity Orange, orange, blue, hawaii pretty and pink insanity.
Speaker 2:Orange, orange and purple rain there we go I love it that's awesome, see.
Speaker 1:That's a cool thing. As much as like as much work as this has been to for him to do these and make these um. Getting to have full control over everything like that is pretty cool, it's fun. Quite a perk doc said there may have been whiskey.
Speaker 2:There may have been whiskey which whiskey were we drinking, doc? Simply, I was. My corgi. Teddy is terrified of fireworks, thunder, etc. Etc. Yeah, it's been a crazy week. Our corgi goes to my office and once he's in here he's okay, but ben this year, yeah, it was a struggle bus for ben ben picks up on what's around him.
Speaker 1:So when ollie was here, ben didn't care as much about fireworks. He might get a little nervous or whatever, but he didn't really pay attention ollie could not be bothered. Yeah, like, but finley, even though ben is the older dog. Finley whatever energy finley has, if he's nervous, whatever, ben picks up on that and just like he does whatever the other dog is doing. And so finley is nervous. Now ben is nervous and then he gets. He's trying to go in the bathtub and stuff uh, I love the fierce green hr.
Speaker 2:I love that shirt. I do too. This is actually my go-to um, I don't know what to call it my hockey, hockey, you're like gear that I wear like to the locker room and then like out of the locker room, because easy to change easy to change. Yeah, I forget it was that. Well, my old-fashioned um stint like came back on since my birthday, so now I've been paying attention to what they've been putting in there, do you?
Speaker 1:have a preference no, I don't okay I'm not at that point.
Speaker 2:I I have a preference for like the old-fashioned overall, but not for the. I'm not at the point where I can dial in distinguish yeah, um, what did I want to tell you? Oh, I wanted to. Should we bring up that one ai? Thing?
Speaker 1:oh, that was just sort of interesting. We can talk about it let's okay.
Speaker 2:So then we're gonna get into the games, if you haven't noticed, because it's friday, yay friday. But then there was something that I saw this morning that was like, oh my god, I need to make a video about this. But then I was like, oh, maybe we just talked about it on the couple stable because, well, it's kind of related to something which is cool, but it's sort of like also does I don't.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm interested, I've had thoughts uh, let's see what you guys think about this, except um you have to now somehow sign in too. I need to sign in, so you're going to tell some jokes while this is happening. Tom Well, hit it.
Speaker 1:How about I have some show and tell, oh wonderful, so I was going to do a little gear corner segment here as we hang out Gear corner, because I just bought this little guy right here yes, you did which you can't see.
Speaker 1:See, because this is manual focus. This is the zoom h1 essential and it is essentially a stripped down version of, like the zoom h4. The reason I bought this is because I used a bunch of the zoom h1 ends when I was teaching. Like I had probably at least like 20 of them at a time in my classroom and they're kind of plasticky but students would use them all the time, little audio recorders, and it was a really helpful way like take, take a camera, take an audio recorder, take a camera, take an audio recorder. And they'd always take these and I was like you know, do they still make those? What's the deal? And I realized Zoom has an updated version. So this is $100.
Speaker 1:It's an audio recorder, built-in microphones, which is pretty cool, and they sound good. Zoom makes good microphone, or you know microphone sounds. But the cool thing is it's a lot like my little Zoom F2, which I made a video about and I use for all my like hockey mic'd up stuff, in that it's 32-bit float, so you turn it on and you press record and that's kind of it. You don't have to adjust levels, you don't have to adjust input, you don't have to do anything. And then you can't mess up the audio because it's 32-bit float, so you can't be too quiet or too loud, which is awesome.
Speaker 1:And you can plug in a mic or an instrument so you can, you know, have this in your pocket and then connect a lav mic to it or whatever, which I thought was very cool. And then also, because this is newer, it can be used as a USB-C microphone as well, so you can plug into your computer and actually use it as like a mic for something. And, like all the ones, it just runs off of AAA batteries, so you're not no built-in battery, nothing like that. I want to do a whole video about these because I feel like this is these little relatively inexpensive. I think of it as like a Swiss army knife of audio and I'm really excited about it and I just want to make a video about it. So that's my show and tell corner.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's very cool and like they've done a lot of cool things with the display on this. The displays used to always be hard to read, but the display on this one is like significantly, I don't know if you can kind of see. It's very high contrast and easy to read, which is very cool, and it does do stereo and mono. So stereo and mono. So if you're doing an instrument, you can push this little stereo button, choose stereo, and that way you're going to get like the sound on the left and right. But if you're doing like a podcast or a stream, you can do mono and then it's going to to just be, you know, like both left and right channels are even, which is very cool. And like I have just a basic memory card here, I have 99 hours of audio.
Speaker 1:I remember the old, the other one yeah, these are fun and I always like that it was a lot bigger say goodbye, see you. Well, I have the h4 and I have that and that. That's why you plug in xlr mics too, and this is just sort of very cool update that I don't know I was excited about and you're logged in now I am logged in now.
Speaker 2:Uh, let's see. Maker's mark is good for old-fashioned. My original zoom is 20 years old.
Speaker 1:I think mine's 13 and it still works. Just fine. That's what I did the audio with on my very first YouTube video, which tomorrow is the seven year anniversary of me uploading, which actually means I filmed it today, today is the seven year anniversary of me filming my first YouTube video, wow.
Speaker 3:Look at that.
Speaker 2:That's great, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:And I used the H4N for my audio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great, that's crazy, and I use the h4n from audio.
Speaker 1:yeah, wow, your um drone license one yeah, oh, my god I wish we could have seen it, because he set up all this whole thing I know, if this were modern times I would have taken a picture of the setup.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you didn't, you didn't know, you didn't know what was happening. Yeah, um, I'm gonna have to upgrade our colored sm7b pop filters. Reporter store didn't call their blue one. Blue hawaii is calling me.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, so here's, I'm gonna show you this thing I saw on instagram and, uh, I'm actually in the middle of reading a book called extremely online, uh, and it's fascinating because it kind of tells how was it, tells the history of social media, basically, even though this is all in the past 20 years.
Speaker 2:So it feels weird calling it history, but it it literally is just like this is what the world was like before friendster the rise and fall ofster, the rise and fall of Friendster, the rise and fall of MySpace, how they competed against each other, like all the big players that kind of dictated how everyone would end up using these platforms and tools. And you know, right now I'm on the YouTube chapter and it's just, it's like so it's so fascinating because I feel like, as a consumer, I was always aware of the changes, which is why I started my YouTube channel, because I just wanted to talk about, like you know, just the cultural effects, the you know, even the way that we communicate as humans, like it wasn't, it was not common for people to talk outside of their circle of people that they knew in real life. That was very uncommon. It was weird to meet somebody online. It was weird to meet your significant other online like it was. You know, that was just a weird thing. It never happened.
Speaker 2:And then now it's like it always happens all the time yeah, it's almost weird not to yeah, yeah, you met in person like you met someone before you knew them in real life yeah, you get to stalk their profile first and bet them out um, so it just kind of reminded me of, like, whenever a new platform or something comes on the scene, I feel like the the gut reaction is oh god, this is gonna, this is going to be bad. Remember Snapchat. It was like oh, it's going to disappear in 24 hours. Well geez.
Speaker 1:What's the point? I'm crazy.
Speaker 2:Well, let's just think of the stuff that you want to post that's going to disappear in 24 hours.
Speaker 2:I feel like everyone's gut reaction is to default to the worst things. Right now we're seeing this a lot with AI. There's a very loud gut reaction of AI is like very bad for an unlimited number of reasons. I feel like as content creators, we know that a hammer can build and a hammer can destroy, and there are ways that we can use this Like. There's just a lot of applications for it. This kind of just gave me pause. I don't know why, but I'm gonna show it to you and then see what you guys think about it I have show it, but don't say anything yeah, I'm not gonna say I'm not saying anything, okay?
Speaker 2:um, I just have to make sure that the audio works okay I think you have to do your screen share yep, that's the thing that needs to happen so it should be good.
Speaker 1:How do?
Speaker 2:I get audio to go though your system audio should be good.
Speaker 1:Try and see, nope it's not there um add an audio source Like this. Yeah, what is that? I?
Speaker 2:have no idea.
Speaker 1:Nope, what are these guys?
Speaker 2:That's weird, I have all the Ecamm people here who are going to tell me exactly how to get my audio to Ecamm. Yes, me exactly how to get my audio to ecam yes, um, I reset my computer.
Speaker 1:I think you're uh recently doubling up on audio here oh shoot, yeah, well, let me just mute that sucker. Let me take that guy out, mute that bad boy. I mean, do you have?
Speaker 2:oh no, you redid everything, so it's there, but faint, I think I could just hold my microphone up to the's there, but faint, I think it's picking up.
Speaker 1:I could just hold my microphone up to the speaker. We could be old school here, it's fine. Let's just do that and we're done.
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go. Ready yeah, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 3:We're finally back in stock. I personally take quite a few medications and I was always sick and tired of searching through my bag, so my boyfriend made me a Pocket Pal, and then I got him to make one for my friends. After constant nagging he finally decided to sell them, so he created Pocket. We currently have a massive sale live to celebrate the new stock. We recommend placing an order before we sell out again.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have something I would like you to play. I mean something I'm going to play. This is from a video from a couple weeks ago. Should I change?
Speaker 2:it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you can come back to us. Yeah, this is from one of my videos from a couple weeks ago ago. Help improve the sound as well, if you want to tame some high end. So that's something I'm doing a lot while using this microphone. And speaking of using this microphone, I'd like to use it right now to tell you that this video is sponsored by Artlist and their new AI voiceover generator.
Speaker 3:We can finally generate some intelligence on this channel.
Speaker 1:That sounds like the voice of Persuasion, my good AI voiceover friend from Artlist.
Speaker 3:Thanks, Tom. I love your channel. It's the best and your jokes are never painful to listen to.
Speaker 1:So that's the same voice so okay which is, let's be clear, here you can do ai voice generated voice over things every app does this. Now like it's crazy how I think art list does it the best.
Speaker 3:It just happened so fast.
Speaker 2:I saw a YouTube thing that, like you, can do text to voice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's pretty nifty, you pick the personality, you can adjust tone, you adjust inflection. Every time you generate it, the take is slightly different, just like when a person would say the same line over and over again. It's not default. Walked in, which is actually very, very cool. And yeah, using in this ad is an AI voiceover thing.
Speaker 2:So if you couldn't tell a thousand percent, that's an AI, I mean it's the same.
Speaker 1:It's the same voice, it's persuasion.
Speaker 2:But I didn't like.
Speaker 1:aside from that, yeah, Well, I mean, that's how I know is's AI is like, because I had that voice in my ear for so long I was like I know her.
Speaker 2:But just like I think the thing with AI is like, unless you know to look for it, then it can easily like if you scroll through the comments, everyone's like oh, this is so cool, like blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:you know like real positive. They're talking about the product. They're not talking about like the video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sold. Great for my gym bag and golf bag Like great stocking stuffers.
Speaker 1:I think it was the last comment down here. Someone was like I don't know, it was something about like, keep all your like party drugs organized for the rave or something, but I think the thing. So when I did the Artlist sponsored segment, at first I was thinking like I don't know this. Doesn't I teach people how to record themselves? I don't know that I want to talk about doing an AI thing, but then we talked about it on here. There's so many times where you need to, where someone might need a voiceover, and there's they don't have access to a person and maybe they, for whatever reason, it's not practical or possible for them to be behind the microphone, for somebody else to be, and so, being able to just type this out, you can do a retake at 1 am, you know, if you need to, it's no problem at all. I I recorded a whole dialogue with three people while you were napping like yeah, very easy.
Speaker 1:Um, there's a huge purpose for it. I think the thing here is that this is that thing where it looks like you know someone's. I'm just filming this my phone, talking about my boyfriend all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:That's the problem, that's. That's the thing that makes me uncomfortable is because the dialogue literally says like my boyfriend noticed that I would always have trouble, like I had all these medications in my bag, and like my boyfriend made this thing and now he started, and then he started selling it and then we've sold out, but we have a new order and stuff and it's like is that even true or is because you?
Speaker 1:know what I mean? The ai doesn't have a boyfriend, yeah, and like I.
Speaker 2:It's to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that story is true and they're just not using their voices. I don't know why you wouldn't, because I feel like the authenticity is valuable. If you're going to tell that story, why wouldn't you lean into it even more?
Speaker 1:It's like I finally convinced him to do this, Did you? Or is your boyfriend just this one dude who is?
Speaker 3:is there a boyfriend? Yeah, is there just a?
Speaker 1:guy who came up with the thing and is now exactly, or is it just a company actually?
Speaker 2:is it just like, uh, is there not even any individual and it's just some conglomerate and you're and I think the reason why I feel uncomfortable is because, like, especially in like influencer age that we are living in, where everyone, like, for any product that you want to buy, there is actually a genuine review and like, are you paid to say certain things and blah, blah, and that's its own whole thing. But, uh, I definitely feel weird about an ai voice telling me this personal story that may or may not have happened in order to sell something like I don't know it just makes me feel I noticed a couple comments on here.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's people, you know, just saying how much they wouldn't do it, but somebody said something like. It was a lot of like oh, I think when they were filming with their phone they did this or whatever. So people are really feeling as though someone is just filming very casually, filming video with their phone, talking about their product, like the idea of making this a down-to-earth like. Let me just show you a thing that we made video works because people think that's what it is, but that's not what it is and that's the. I think that's the disconnect. It's just there's, it's trying to, it's the thing, it's the the garage inside the airplane hangar, because I feel like it.
Speaker 2:If that story is true, why wouldn't you just use your own voice? And I saw um the road to health here saying maybe they aren't English, which is fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they're not English. Maybe they have a medical condition. It's about medicine. They take a lot of medicine. Maybe they can't, but it's weird though it's weird though, isn't it like? I don't know it just the, the stuff that I've used, that or would have used the ai voice over. Things are where it's, more, it's you're not trying to connect. You're trying to connect with the person, whereas in this case it's very. I have this problem. We came with solution.
Speaker 2:I saw it feels like you're connecting with the person the dialogue was like this is a pill pocket thing, you you can put your things here. Look how much.
Speaker 1:Almost like the TikTok voice you can even use the same footage.
Speaker 2:You know like, here's a purse you can put. You know all the boxes that you have, you can consolidate Everything's labeled, and da da da. But the story of like, when I traveled, I would bring all this stuff and my boyfriend finally came with a solution and da da da, it's like it. Just it's false, unless it's not, I don't know, but that I brought this up because I it's one of those things where I feel like I'm experiencing something for the first time and it is going to have that cultural effect of you know like, I don't know. I'm just curious about everyone else's reaction about, oh my, god sorry.
Speaker 1:Somebody said this is a separate thing and this is. Uh, I don't know, keynote. Um, there's a comment here that said anyone else try to wipe the eyelash off your screen. I thought you had a hair on your computer screen, but there's an eyelash. Is this this in the footage? Oh, it's just on that last.
Speaker 2:See, I personally take.
Speaker 1:But there is a person. These look like a girl's hands.
Speaker 2:She said I personally take all these things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this AI does not need medicine. I was just confused about the eyelash Because the real cynic in me, knowing how cameras work, right, you have the background in focus here. She holds up the pocket and that comes in focus. The focus on this eyelash doesn't change at all.
Speaker 2:So what does that mean?
Speaker 1:Part of me thinks that this is actually put here. No, afterwards, yes, the same way that in old school message board days, people would have a very similar thing of like a hair as a profile picture and you would try to like get it off your screen. But it's a profile picture. Because you're gonna try to, you're gonna see this ad pop up, you're gonna try to get the eyelash off of it and now you've tapped on the ad but you're gonna I don't know you're gonna interact with it.
Speaker 2:I don't know that's too much, bro.
Speaker 1:The thing is camera lenses don't work that way, where that thing's gonna stay in focus on the lens while the focus is also shifting to the scenery in the background and the pocket here. Physically it's not possible. I think that's a freaking png eyelash dot png.
Speaker 2:Someone dragged onto that video uh, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's catch up with comments. Um, boom, boom, boom. Gill is here. Happy friday. I love artist voiceover, artless voiceover. I used to read an email to my mother-in-law. Artlist is the best. I gotta go to a meeting, but I'll give my take real quick. 90% of voice attendance on CORE America is the same voice. Press 1 to detail instructions for shipping hours. This is not new Artlist. Ai voice sounds so real. Before AI we had actors. They tried to get us with empty empathy. The ai is trying to relate by lying. Oprah reads a biography on audible. It's still the writer's story. A real person probably wrote the script. It's not. It's an ad, not a sponsored yeah, this is an ad yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Last point imagining. Imagine, imagine the voiceless, a person with a crushed voice box speaks with text speech. I was still their story. Yeah, totally. The problem I have with this is I don't think that's the case. I just don't think that's the case, like I don't. I don't think it's a person who can't speak english. I don't think it's a person who has a voice impediment I think my eyelash thing is evidence of that I don't know, I don't know, you watch anime.
Speaker 2:I think about that. No, it's totally true. Um, those are valid feelings out there. If it were people, they could easily use an iphone to record audio. That is more sufficient for an ad like this, though doc brings up valid points as well. I just I'm curious, like what sorry.
Speaker 1:I saw heather fellow film film, it's totally possible.
Speaker 2:It's a real person story yes it could be, yeah, but then why wouldn't you just use your own voice? That that's I just in in the influencer world. Why wouldn't you just use your own voice, like it only helps you? I don't know that eyelash thing. You two would totally nerd out about something like that. It's like the animated Nance on the screen. The eyelash is the same reason people misspell stuff on purpose. It creates engagement in some shape or seat.
Speaker 1:Honestly, because it's only on this shot too, it's not on the other ones, and it's just cameras can't work that way. It's so clear and in focus, unless actually I was saying unless it like got into their camera and was literally on.
Speaker 2:I don't know a little hair physically on the sensor camera sensor too small, if you can like see it oh, I feel like we have uncovered something and I'm trying to like zoom in, but it's like right here, yeah it looks.
Speaker 1:It looks like there's a hair that landed on heather's computer display here and, if you're, if that's on your phone subtle though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you're gonna be. But this person here says anyone else try to wipe the eyelash off your screen yeah, must have been on the lens must have been on the lens when they shot it.
Speaker 1:yeah, and, and it's right in the middle, so you, yeah but you swipe off.
Speaker 2:I don't know how.
Speaker 1:That doesn't make sense A reel works if I'm watching, if it's in your thing and I.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you swipe off. Yeah, if it's in my feed, I would swipe off.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying but there's something there. I didn't even notice the eyelash. People hate their voice, so use an AI to be the voice. I totally agree with that, but I also I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the whole reason I did the the art list sponsor segment was because I saw the value in being able to have that kind of a tool, but I think it's the it's.
Speaker 2:It feels like uh it. It feels like uh it feels like false advertising to me, but I don't know why it's not I don't think it's false advertising, because it's the the thing, is the thing.
Speaker 2:I think it's like false connection, it's like building a, an even more para, para social relationship in a way where I mean, yeah, you have a fake voice saying I do this all the time and I do that it's just weird because, okay, I think the thing, the reason I think the reason why I think it's weird is because if if we were these people, then I would just be like my boy, this boyfriend helped me develop this thing, to help me fix this thing, like but I mean what?
Speaker 1:what if let's just say because this was the argument I thought of what this person said that they need to take a ton of medicine. Maybe their voice is affected, so they can't. That is a story and they can't say it. What say you in that situation?
Speaker 2:Then yeah, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1:But imagine like I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think of another product that has nothing to do with medicine. You, but imagine, like I don't think that's what happened, I'm trying to think of another product that has nothing to do with medicine. You know, like I don't know where you're going, oh like a water bottle or something I don't know. Nothing exciting, Even though the story is real. The extra attempt to make more money equals over optimize. I personally have used AI to dub my voice in Spanishanish and french to engage with foreign audiences oh, I love that.
Speaker 2:That's cool, then they get you exactly like that makes sense to me, because if you didn't have ai you wouldn't do it, you know, because it's just not feasible.
Speaker 1:Like obviously you're not gonna.
Speaker 2:That's actually a great idea yeah, because then it could still be kind of like, kind of in your voice, right? I believe in humanity. So do you use software to remove it, or do you reshoot after removing the eyelash, or do you just leave it?
Speaker 1:well, in this case, I think they use software to add it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's what they're saying is like it was an added thing to kind of.
Speaker 1:That's not what they're saying. That're saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:No that's what you're saying. Well, yeah, they, as in you guys. I don't see much difference between recording real voice and adding a whole lot of EQ and processing which is no longer than an actual voice versus an AI voice.
Speaker 1:I think sorry, I would say the thing here is because they're not being so. I mean, I don't know. We could go to their website and see what they're all about, if it's just like the thing that makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you. The thing that makes me uncomfortable is when you're speaking from a place of personal experience, but using AI makes me suss that it wasn't actually true.
Speaker 1:I don't know because it could just be. Are you someone who needs to travel with a lot of medications and struggle to keep them organized? Check out this thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, I feel like you're taking advantage of using the personal story, which is obviously something like that works. It's a marketing technique that works, but I think the reason why it works is because it's authentic. You know, like I look, I'm going through the same thing, I have the same problem as you See this purse. Your purse looks like this also right, like. But then it's like what if it isn't? And you just came up with this idea. I don't know, I'm not saying it's wrong, I just feel weird, that's all.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's the same. It's the same way, like I know the first two people ever met on the internet and then got married is weird, probably, but I feel like this is the first time that I'm kind of. I'm sure in the next six months this will be totally normal. But see, like, even the tiktok voice right, like the tiktok ai voice, it's so obviously the TikTok AI voice. So in that case, like no one you know, like, if the TikTok AI voice was, like my boyfriend helped me, da da da then I would know, okay, someone actually typed this in and just had her read it, and that would not be shady to me the fact that you're trying to use a realistic, real life voice.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing I was wondering about these voices is, as people start using a more, whatever service they're using is, will they start becoming recognizable, like the tiktok voice where you you hear it, you know that that voice is like. You know it's an ai. I might not have known three years ago if I, like, the first time I heard it, I might not have known. Oh, that's the tiktok voice, like this lady's just talking really weird um, and with these ones, if it's like you hear the same, you hear it and my thing, you hear it here and you're like it's the same. It's like when you hear the same, you know it used to be the in a world voiceover trailer guy and he's talking about every movie. Yeah, it's like, oh, you just hear the same voice here, morgan freeman narrate a bunch of documentaries Like this is just that voice. But they're not. They're so new, they're not there yet, not false advertising.
Speaker 2:The box works. Trust me. Clooney and DeVito don't drink Evan Espresso. They have real espresso machine.
Speaker 1:I think DeVito lives in Jersey. Mike's, are you telling?
Speaker 2:me that's not the case. Yes, you would HR. I did thousands of commercials as a VO artist. I was in radio. I had to read scripts online nearly every day, but I think the difference is like this is user-generated content. That's the difference, because if it's radio, if it's TV, if it's traditional media, as a consumer I feel like I know I have been trained like to have these expectations. But for user-generated content, when, like an influencer, a content creator, a person like me is telling this story to sell this thing and then potentially that thing didn't even happen, like I don't know, it just feels like weird didn't even happen like I don't know.
Speaker 1:It just feels like well, because I think what doc's saying is like in radio or even on like talk shows. It could be like you know, oh, this episode's brought to you by you know this type of water bottle. I use this every day and it's always been my favorite. It's just what's in the script, and that person's never even touched the product in their life.
Speaker 2:Um, but see, like I don't feel.
Speaker 1:I don't feel, I don't know, I don't know why I think that there is a clear context of like it's time to read the commercial. I'm reading the commercial and maybe that's yeah, like I don't exactly. This is like this is clearly an ad. Like it's a company posting an ad, I'm sure it's marked as sponsored on instagram but I know it's an ad but try, but trying to make it seem very personal and it could be or it could not be, but like it's an ad trying to have the boyfriend read it if the girl doesn't have like.
Speaker 1:Have my girlfriend always travel with medicine and I decided like, like it's a weird thing, whereas it could just literally be the ad of like, are you someone who has to travel with medicine? It's difficult to keep it organized like. It's not even about the product, it's about. It's about the framing of it. Combined with you're filming it on a phone, it looks very diy. You're at the beach as user-generated content it's passing off as user-generated content.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when it doesn't seem to be, and then you add eyelashpng dot png on there that I don't believe that man.
Speaker 2:I I feel. Okay, that takes me to a dark place I'm just saying with how optics work, there's some laws of physics being broken with this shot problem of using other devices like my vinegar mixture, salad dressing, glass shaker, is that I should get an apple tracking thing to find where I place the top just one in every, every time I'll stick with microsoft, sam the og bonsai buddy all right, well, there you go.
Speaker 2:I'm just I'm curious now that, uh, the ai voices are not like the tiktok voice, right, like it's not, it's they really sound like people they sound like people.
Speaker 2:Um, and this is the first time where I have seen a, an ad, that's like it. It's like user generated content. I feel weird about it. I'm, I'm sure, a month from now. That's all I'm going to see, that's all I'm going to go, that's all I'm going to see, that's all I'm going to go, that's all I'm going to see. And then it's going to be like, well, yeah, did you know?
Speaker 1:I think they've evolved the voice since then, but the original voice of Siri back in like 2011, when Apple released it the late the lady didn't.
Speaker 2:She didn't know she was Siri, though yeah, saw her talk. I met her okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you did know this she's uh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she opened the keynote by talking in siri voice that's cool.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they've still. I forgot what conference it was yeah, she was some of this before all this technology existed. So you just go in and just read she had no idea everything. You just read the dictionary essentially, yeah, basically, and then all and all different kinds of like inflections and stuff yeah yeah, um, I wouldn't be surprised if they use an espresso or real espresso machine.
Speaker 2:It's so easy with espresso, while espresso machines are so tedious. Of course, it tastes worlds apart.
Speaker 1:I think my parents have an espresso yeah, they do oh see they get your brother one for christmas one year yeah, I'm not gonna freaking do the thing no, you nespresso is like the quick espresso.
Speaker 2:Isn't that what that is?
Speaker 1:where it's like the actual machine and you have to do the thing yeah it's a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tom, the eyelash was so in focus I'd be able to view it in a focus we're through under a microscope and death was a decoy place there, just for you really. I mean, you guys would know, I don't know because here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Like have you ever had dirt on a camera lens?
Speaker 2:yeah, but it's focused on this. So if if it's focusing on the on this, wouldn't it just also focus on that?
Speaker 1:no, because your distances are different. The camera, the eyelash, should be here. The pocket thing is, you know, held out here, and then the mountains are in the background. We have focus on all three things. The focus the video starts with the focus on. We're through the looking glass here. Okay, the video starts with the focus. Yeah, I'm going to do we have to go through the whole thing again? Okay, well, do we have to go through the whole thing again? Okay, well, it starts with it's not in any of the shot. At that first shot, I'm going to let it roll around again the focus is on the scenery in the background.
Speaker 2:So let's oh, the first one.
Speaker 1:The shot with the eyelash. The eyelash isn't on any of these shots here, which also this looks like a handheld phone, but she's using two hands to cut stuff. That's interesting this is not her bag by the way okay oh, okay, okay this is what I mean see that there's a rack focus where your your landscape in the background was clear and then the pocket came in focus.
Speaker 1:The eyelash didn't change at all. If you're somebody who's ever even with an old school camcorder, you had like a water smudge or dirt on your lens and it just focused on that and like everything is blurry because you just see this dirt speck right here super clear. That's what would be happening. But the eyelash usually if an eyelash is on your camera lens it's going to be so thin and so like blurry that the lens wouldn't even see it. It would just focus past it. You wouldn't even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I figured, yeah so there's no way there's, and and the scale also doesn't make sense, because I'm only going to get this out on instagram because we've spent so much time on. It really wants this I don't.
Speaker 2:We've played it like 10 times. You know what?
Speaker 1:you do have medicine, maybe you know the product seems decent, like is also I know, but that's why it's like why do you have to lie? Oh yeah, that goes into the whole like, like, why can't you just? Why? Why did insta have to tell people not to disclose sponsorships in their videos? Like? Your products are great, let them. Let people just enjoy them.
Speaker 2:But anyway all right, that's so.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, though. If we're having this debate on, okay, you're using ai voice, is that okay, is it not? It could be okay, because it doesn't really matter, it doesn't change the tone of things. Maybe the person couldn't express themselves that way, all true? Um, maybe you shouldn't use the ai voice in this case, because you're creating user-generated content and it's making things seem, you know, like artificial. What I would wager money on is an is literally a post-production cgi eyelash added in afterwards to somehow in some way boost some type of engagement that then speaks towards a more nefarious purpose.
Speaker 2:And that to me back there because I'm sad.
Speaker 1:And then what I think is okay, what this is. This is the giant company. There's a boardroom meeting, they have this new product, they need to launch it. Okay, we're there's literally like you have a pro videographer who's gonna, you know, film something with a phone. You have the model who's gonna use the hands and the props that's being directed. There is no boyfriend. There is no. There's nothing like that. It's a company came up with the product. You're making it feel very homespun, and now you're using the ai voice, which is weird too, though. At that level, why not then hire an actor to read the thing or to just be on camera? But I guess you don't have to pay him well, so, okay, this reminds me, I don't know.
Speaker 2:This reminds me of, like, so I'm reading that, um, extremely online book, right, and they told the story of one of the first things, that, like the first blip, the thing that blew up on youtube, which I don't know if. I'd be very curious if anyone here knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Lonely girl 15 I only knew the name, but I didn't know, she was like the first vlogger and it was like, oh my god, I'll never forget it. She was like sitting on her bed with a guitar or whatever, and she was like, when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade and she like starts playing the guitar, whatever. Basically, it's a teenage girl and she is talking to the camera in a way that no one has ever seen before, because this is what, months into youtube's creation, where you, the, the girl is talking to you. This is, this is like what we do now, but that was the first time oh, here's 18 years ago.
Speaker 1:Her, oh, I actually, it's just video blog yeah, there was no word for it I remember just being like completely captivated.
Speaker 2:I mean it was, uh, I think it was the first. It was like the most subscribed channel on YouTube at the time and it was a girl and she, you know, she was like a teenager and so she was just like sharing. I don't know. She's just being real, right, or was she.
Speaker 2:Well, it turns out that people did their internet sleuthing and found out that it was, you know, a screenwriter who tried to make it big um and had had always this story of like. He always had this like idea of writing um, a story of a teenage girl whose, like, parents end up going into a cult or something like that. But like it, you know, I don't know, he kept pitching. It didn't work. And then there was somebody else and somebody else it was a three-person team. They hired two actors on Craigslist and it's just a written web series.
Speaker 1:She was just an actress from Craigslist.
Speaker 2:It's all fake and when people found out, it only made it more popular. It went on for seasons. She ends up dying, like in the story. Like you know it's a whole. I stopped I think I stopped watching when I found out it was fake because I was like well, it's fake, so it's like whatever. But when people found out, they actually liked it more. So I'm curious, like if this is that same thing of like when people find out it's fake, it's like, well, whatever I mean probably like does the thing work?
Speaker 1:does I don't care, you know, like, ultimately, at the end of the day, people probably aren't agonizing over it the way we are, that is is what it is all right.
Speaker 2:Um fellow filmmaker says take an eyelash now and stuff it on your camera lens, then we'll prove it.
Speaker 1:I know, I was literally going to try. Oh, here I have an eyebrow.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I got to head out. I'll be sure to catch a replay to wait. This is Spine-Ting conclusion of the eyelash mystery, which lens are we?
Speaker 1:Are we seriously doing this? I need to figure out which lens here.
Speaker 2:The eyelash is pixel pixelated. I can't see what this word is. Definitely it looks like a low res image. Hello everyone, kathy in the house, mihal evening ever all hello. Okay. So tom is doing a thing. Are you gonna record like with your video?
Speaker 1:well, I can't get it on the lens now, it's just stuck.
Speaker 2:This is a fat eyebrow too okay, I honestly didn't realize this was going to take up the entire stream. I bought board games and I don't think we're going to get to them at all okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Sorry, we're doing science right now. Okay, I have. Are you going to record? I don't think it's worth recording, uh, but I have a big, fat eyebrow hair which actually looks exactly the same as that one on my camera lens and if you go through here it's invisible. It's this lens.
Speaker 2:You can't see it, it's completely invisible. Because it focuses past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's just focusing past it. And if your phone were open to the point where a hair was? Physically on the sensor. The camera sensors in here are so small that a hair couldn't physically be on it plus, it was not on the other shots where it would.
Speaker 1:be yeah, but I mean she was in a room so maybe she needed it. But I mean, if I tooky fx3 and I put that same eyebrow thing on the camera sensor, I took the lens off and put it on the sensor, there's a chance. I don't think it would be crystal clear like that, but you might see a line or something across the lens and that would be on every shot, because it doesn't matter what lens doesn't matter anything, it's on the camera, yeah so not only is it not possible, because the sensors are too small for a hair like that to be on them in phones and only take up that much of the screen.
Speaker 1:This is crazy, this is insane. Not only is that not possible, it wouldn't look that way. I'm sorry, this is just blowing my mind right now.
Speaker 2:You are going to. He's like his. He can't keep up with his brain right now.
Speaker 1:I can't because it's. It's because, well, it's a conscious decision I know that's a.
Speaker 1:It's what. It's what heather said, for one reason or another. It's a. It's a conscious decision to try and generate engagement in this case, and I don't know what the purpose is. You're double, you know it's in your feed. You hit the thing, try to get it off, and now you've double tapped and you've liked it. I don't know. I don't know what the purpose is. You're double, you know it's in your feed. You hit the thing, try to get it off, and now you've double tapped and you've liked it. I don't know. I don't know what the thing is. I'm sure, honestly, I'm sure they've studied this if we put this on here, we're gonna get, you know, x percent more people like clicking through to the actual reel, or we're gonna get x more number of likes because people have engaged it. If they've engaged, it gets what. Guess what's going to show up?
Speaker 2:in their feed more. I need to come up with a. I need to make a Finsta so I can deep dive into their profile. I don't want to click on their profile because then I'm oh, we're in it.
Speaker 1:We are on some lists after this and not an art list.
Speaker 2:The history of hate is like Exposed. She really wants to buy our product. Sorry, this is like it's something I didn't. It was just an innocent comment and I have like I'm curious if they use this in other, in their other videos. You know like why would you come up with this idea? Like no, don't do it. Are you kidding me? I'm like you gotta do it on a finsta. You're not doing that on mine. I'm not gonna see pocket coal every single ad. No, uh-uh, okay, I'm about to block them because I don't want the algorithm to think that I you know what? Here's the thing pocket, okay, I'm gonna get this ad and then I'm gonna get every single competing similar product ad after this, because we've spent so much time with this thing open yeah, the funny thing is, I cannot find, because you put the e, you take the e out out.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's pocked.
Speaker 2:It's cool Pocked.
Speaker 1:Oh, there they are. They're from Australia.
Speaker 2:At F22,. You could see it, I learned the hard way. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1:This ain't F22, though, because it's a phone.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a phone.
Speaker 1:I mean a phone can change the aperture, but the fact, if it were f22, everything would be in focus right now the eyelash, the case and the landscape, because that is what you would use for landscape, or you want everything. You'd have the whole frame in focus. The fact that you have have a rack focus from the background.
Speaker 2:Detective.
Speaker 1:Conan, I have deduced I have dropped a big old deduce on this.
Speaker 2:You're so stupid that's true. He's in nerd heaven. The whole ad feels gross.
Speaker 1:This is their only video.
Speaker 2:Well, that, and it's like it sucks because, yeah, now it's like I want the story to be true, right, like it could be it's.
Speaker 2:It actually seems like a relatively small company you went to cbs and bought a bunch of medicine boxes and just put them all together and it's not your actual person. You know, um greg says it's some marketing point to get people to re-watch it to see what it is. Tom needs to try the eyelash trick on his youtube shorts or something and see if it boosts engagement. Make it an easter egg. Oh my gosh, you should totally try it. Oh, you should post the same shorts, two shorts, one with an eyelash, one without. Oh my god, ab test that ish ab test that lash ab test.
Speaker 2:Do it on tombaugh too.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's I don't know, but that's not objective, because it's how the algorithm would pick up one. Anyway, I don't know. It is very interesting though my, my point is I just feel like we're looking at like literally. You know, finley might as well be walking on the ceiling because they have broken the laws of physics here with this ad yeah, but literally like 10 of people on earth know this.
Speaker 2:That's why they can't keep getting here with this ad. Yeah, but literally like 10% of people on Earth know this. That's why they can't keep getting away with this, miel says. I quit today, left my employment to go solo again. Looking forward to starting to stream again soon.
Speaker 1:I don't have my air horn.
Speaker 2:It's a big leap. That's very exciting. Best of luck, keep us updated.
Speaker 1:Give your shoulders a rest, because you took such a weight off of that, yes, you must feel so free.
Speaker 2:Best of luck with everything. Yay, well, I can't believe we're at the top of the hour. If you were not here at the beginning, I had brought some games because we were just going to hang out today, but then I saw this ad this morning and, uh, I don't know. I just, I just feels I don't like when things are inauthentic. It makes me feel weird, right, I don't like when things are disingenuine, especially when money's involved, and uh, I get why people do it. Um, I mean, okay, to be fair, this was not intentional, but one of my most popular videos, actually. Let me just confirm before I tell you what are you doing?
Speaker 1:I was gonna see if I could find the actual png oh my god I'm not equipped for that at the moment.
Speaker 2:okay, check it out. So this is my tutorial channel, um, and I just went to my most popular videos. One of my most popular videos has a typo and I had no idea. It was not intentional, I straight up, I just I don't know, very popular video Wow. Yeah, and then somebody actually who was it?
Speaker 1:Subscribe. I know.
Speaker 2:What's his name? He was also a YouTube coach. Oh shoot, I forgot his name.
Speaker 1:Coachy McCoach.
Speaker 2:He has glasses. He's a YouTube coach who has glasses. I think he's one of the only ones.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I forgot his name. Oh, I feel so bad. Well, anyway, somebody told me, hey, you have a typo in your thumbnail. And I was like, I guess I got a typo in my thumbnail, I'm not going to change it, I don't know, because you don't have that file to go and change.
Speaker 1:I don't have the original. I'm not going to go make another thumbnail. You have to recreate the thumbnail from scratch, essentially.
Speaker 2:But nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1:In three years and 100,000 views pretty much Except for that person like noticed it. Yeah, I'm sure that you showed me that thumbnail when you made the video and I didn't know Subscribe. And the funny part is it says subscribe right below it, correctly. I know, but it really does, I think it's because, because the shape of the letters yeah, if it were, if it's that thing where you can read words of the first and last letters of the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, look how. Look how cute she is. Watch, look at her. Go.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'll show you how, using canvas wow, I didn't realize your office has looked sort of like this for this long let's see I mean it's different because you're not at the desk 2021.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I used to sit in the middle of the freaking room yeah, you're in the middle of the room.
Speaker 1:Oh, the couch is still an angle. I guess it's the lights on the bookshelf, the cool fairy lights, oh my god, I had to like plan that yeah that, that's hard.
Speaker 2:It's simple I don't have. I was gonna say I don't have the energy. Maybe I do, but anyway, Heather, can I see the lash light? That hour flew by totally. We just talked about an eyelash for 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:Look, I didn't think that's where we're gonna go when we woke up this morning.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe next week.
Speaker 1:What else will we debunk?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be the debunking stream.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:But, like I don't know, I wanted to bring it up because I feel it's always fascinating in this very fast moving digital world when you are experiencing something for the first time. That it that I just have a feeling is going to be very common. But it's like yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:I saw a thing, the other day, somebody posted something that was uh, it was a screenshot from the apple subreddit when airpods were announced, okay, and it was pages of people long, well thought out very articulate thingsdit when airpods were announced okay, and it was pages of people long well thought out, very articulate things of why airpods would never be a success and it went to like when the way audio processing works, the way technology works, the way culture works, all the stuff it's like.
Speaker 1:And people were like I can't believe this would ever be a thing.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, eight years later, it's like everybody has them yeah, and even you know, like samsung just yesterday released their new like samsung buds or whatever that are, they look exactly like it's not even. It's not even like. Oh you know, there's only so many ways you could design an earbud. It's like you. You probably could have diverged a little bit more than you did there, um, I don't know, and there I don't know, and that's I don't know. There's a whole thing. But I was talking to you about rolling shutter before we went to bed last night.
Speaker 2:This is Tom, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:His sweet nothings. He was whispering to me as we were going to bed, rolling shutter.
Speaker 1:Well, at one point last night I was telling you about this, I was like this is my audio recorder. And see, what's really cool about my audio recorder is you could? I was like I know you?
Speaker 2:Just completely launched into a YouTube video and I was just like but the thing, it's a nonstop situation.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to get this out, because otherwise, this will have nowhere to go. It's the thing I told you last night.
Speaker 3:Raise yourself.
Speaker 1:No, it's the thing. So Sony released a camera this week, the ZV-E10 Mark.
Speaker 2:II. Oh, we're going, here we are.
Speaker 1:Alright, there's a lot of discussion about overheating and people going into overheating and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:I haven't used a camera.
Speaker 1:I don't know Whatever I was starting to feel. I think it was related to this, because when I bought this, I was like God, those H1Ns were so cool and this is like such a better version of that. It's so cool and it's so, I don't know. It's super plasticky. Like it doesn't have a lot of other features, like it's super susceptible to plosives, does not come with a windscreen. Nope, doc pops here and I think you could take anything. Some things are bad and you should just be like oh, this thing is not good, but you could take anything. And when you dig far enough, you're going to find a problem Right, like we don't have any issues.
Speaker 2:But if we bring a super pro plumber, electrician, whatever and they dig hard enough, long enough, they're going to find an issue issue. If you go to enough specialists and enough doctors, you're gonna find a health issue, like I feel like this is a metaphor for life everything could be fine, but you can totally find something that's wrong sometimes.
Speaker 1:Sometimes there are things that are worth you know discovering. You want to go to the doctor and figure out. You have this problem or whatever. But with anything, if you dig far enough, you're gonna find a problem, and I feel like that has that's.
Speaker 1:That's a large part of the state of youtube reviews and seeing the zve 10 come out and it's just like you could just say this is an awesome camera, it's super cool. It's a little more expensive the original but it offers some new features. These are things it still doesn't have, for whatever reason. Okay, here's the camera, but instead it has to be like let's find the thing.
Speaker 2:Let's find the thing that's gonna dominate the discussion on it.
Speaker 1:The reason I bring this up is because last night there was um, there was a presidential press conference at like the at the nato summit conference presidential press briefing at the nato conference and I wanted to see it but it started late and if you were watching, like cnn or something, what you would have seen is like news anchors talking until the president the president actually came out on stage. I was watching some youtube stream, so it was just the raw feed from the camera and it's the same single camera feed that every station is using, so cnn, msnbc, whoever is broadcasting it's.
Speaker 1:They're all just this one camera and it was just the podium with the sm57s right there and I was like oh there's the microphones and there's American flags on like flagpoles, or maybe even other countries too, behind the podium and at one point because this was not like the broadcast feed at the moment the camera kind of got bumped and moved and the camera whipped, panned and had like some of the worst rolling shutter I've ever seen which rolling shutter is on some cameras when you you move really quickly side to side things that are like straight objects, buildings and flagpoles and things they'll start to look wavy like this.
Speaker 2:It tries to compensate so that you don't get motion sickness.
Speaker 1:It's the way that the the camera's scanning the sensor top to bottom, and it's moving faster than it can scan it, and so the image is getting scanned.
Speaker 2:So this is what. I know what rolling shutter is because an iMovie when you wanted to make it like less motiony, you would turn on rolling shutter.
Speaker 1:That's what I did. It will, because that it would help. It would help eliminate that effect. It's almost like if you've done it, if you've done a panoramic photo on your phone and, like you know, the dog walks with you and now you have a really long dog in your phone or whatever yeah it's kind of like that, like the thing is moving faster than the camera can process it.
Speaker 1:Um, so, point being, there are times you, if you're doing lots of sports and stuff like that, you don't want rolling shutter because you're gonna have players that look like wacky, waving inflatable arm, flailing tube man. You're gonna have goal posts that are all over the place. Um, you know, you're filming a dialogue scene where someone's just sitting and talking. It probably doesn't matter because the camera's not whipping and panning all over the place. But even with the zv-810, you're going to hear rolling shutter performance like it. Like in any camera review, it's something that gets brought up. It's worth talking about. Does the camera have a rolling shutter problem, does it not? Or how does it handle it? You decide what are you using for. Is that a problem or not? My point was that, whatever camera is being used here, if that image quality were used in the majority of youtube reviews, it would be like this is such a failure, what a piece of junk.
Speaker 1:Can't believe they would release this fatal flaw like do not buy, it's dead on arrival. And it's like this is a camera being used to film arguably one of the more important things being filmed on earth at that moment and it's fine you heard it here first, and I just felt like that was kind of an like look, it's fine, it's got rolling shutter, no image stabilization, it's fine. I don't know, I don't know where to go from there, but that was just the thought I had to get out there. We got it out, okay.
Speaker 2:I know, but, like you know, people have to find I mean well, but see, that's where there's nothing to talk about. No, it's worth it's worth saying like.
Speaker 1:Like I mean I have. I have the a7s3. It has a 12 megapixel sensor. It doesn't really have a rolling shutter issue. I have the a7 4. It has a 34 something megapixel sensor. It'll have a rolling shutter issue because there's more. A higher resolution sensor in general will have more rolling shutter than a lower resolution one, so that's worth noting. Hey, if you're doing lots of sports, maybe the a7S III is the way to go because you can whip the camera back and forth like your hair and it's not going to give you any problems. If you don't need to whip the camera back and forth, then the a7 IV is the way to go because you're not going to have many rolling shots.
Speaker 1:You know that like it's not that it's not worth paying attention to, but it can just be that much. Oh, the camera will overheat if you have it. You know running in these modes for this amount of time something to be aware of. Okay, do you? Like the majority of people, it's kind of. With gopros is the same thing. Like every year for the past few years. Gopro sent out a camera talking about overheating I talk about overheating my videos and gopro at one point said like we've done a lot of studies over decades. At this point, or almost decades, and like the majority, it's something I forget the exact numbers, but it's something like, let's say, 75 of all gopro clips are under 10 minutes long, and of those, 90 are like less than two minutes long, so the vast majority of all footage ever being filmed with gopros right, it's minutes long problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if the camera overheats at 56 minutes, it will affect the person who needs the camera to run for an hour. It will affect the person who wants to put it on their motorcycle helmet and go for a cruise like up the coast, but then also you're dealing with battery. Like maybe that's not the majority of people and so when it's like you, just sort of sorry. I just want people to enjoy being excited about things without always having to tear them apart. That's kind of where it goes.
Speaker 2:Well, you do really well on your channel doing that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, yeah, anyway, I'm done. I got it out of my system.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you done, yeah, you feel better now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like this screenshot. You look very cute.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I like this screenshot. You look very cute. Thank you. Okay, it's the educator in Tom's blood. Yeah, that's me Blood type B positive Ob says call me up, I'm a super geek too. We can chat. I have an H1N that I use from a first ever podcast Still awesome. Tom would be interested in the difference between Zoom F2 and Zoom H1 Essentials. I love my F2 though.
Speaker 1:It's basically the difference, other than form factor, is the built-in mic versus no built-in mic. Um, and the display.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it really uh, I love the new zv10 2 specs, love they finally ditched the old small battery and use the same fx 30 sensor yeah, seems like a sweet camera kyle's in the house movie man stuff tom, what is that portable recorder you have?
Speaker 1:zoom h1 essential Essential.
Speaker 2:And I just ordered the Lumix S5. I'm excited to learn it. That's going to be exciting.
Speaker 1:I'm very curious how you like it. I've never used the Lumix.
Speaker 2:You have to.
Speaker 1:Lumixate me on that issue.
Speaker 2:Alright. Well, I'm kind of I don't know. I can't believe we didn't get to the games.
Speaker 1:I was so excited we're having a game night tonight, though, so we can play games. That's why I'm not too like ah, okay.
Speaker 2:I can't believe that took up most of the hour. Yeah, I didn't think it would.
Speaker 1:So that was gonna be a quick yeah, because last night it was like what are we gonna talk about? Eyelashes and AI voices. I also have a note I gotta, I gotta notice we have like hecka packages at our at our mailbox right now.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, what year are we living in hecka?
Speaker 1:I think I need to go get the mail because right now, well, it's friday and then they're gonna be closing like so hot.
Speaker 2:Do you guys know how hot it is here? Well, actually it's actually not bad.
Speaker 1:Today it's 107, yeah it is like painful outside, though, honestly, 120. It is rough right now, though I was taking. I took the dogs out when you were doing your interview earlier all right well time to clear the table. It's time.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes thank you for hanging out with us.
Speaker 1:That was a lot of fun hope you have a safe, happy, healthy, fun rest of your weekend. Keep those eyelashes out of your eyes and we'll see you next time bye.