The Couple's Table
The Couple’s Table is a weekly livestream podcast hosted by Heather Ramirez and Tom Buck. Join us, for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, as long as we both shall podcast and stuff!
The Couple's Table
Balancing Authenticity and Algorithm Success
Have you ever been baffled by a mysterious 100GB file crippling your computer's performance? This week, we share our chaotic yet hilarious adventure of resetting our streaming computer, all while dealing with an unexpected file that brought everything to a halt. Amidst the tech turmoil, we discuss our excitement for streaming the new Final Fantasy 14 expansion and our nervous anticipation for the Coachella Valley Firebirds' showdown against the Hershey Bears in the Calder Cup finals, complete with a chuckle at the arena's chocolate ban.
Streaming from a console can be a labyrinth of technical challenges, but fear not! We break down the essentials of 4K pass-through to ensure your gameplay capture remains smooth and lag-free. We compare top devices like the Rode Streamer X and Elgato’s latest capture card, sharing insights on optimizing Ecamm settings and tackling sync issues. Consistency is key, and we explore our journey of maintaining a regular streaming schedule, emphasizing the importance of adaptability and hands-on problem-solving.
What’s the secret to balancing authenticity with algorithm-driven success on YouTube? We reflect on our content creation evolution, from spontaneous beginnings to a more structured approach, and share personal anecdotes that highlight the importance of genuine passion. We also discuss the pressures of staying true to oneself amidst the demands of platform metrics. Plus, our excitement for the Calder Cup Game One is palpable, and we provide all the details on where to catch the live action or follow the scores. Join us for a fun-filled episode packed with laughs, tech tips, and heartfelt reflections.
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you okay, so we're gonna redo that hello and welcome. Okay, let's do it again, okay I'll explain tom and I'm and I'm heather you're sitting at the couple's table is a live stream podcast here on this channel join us, for better or worse, for richer or poorer in sickness and in health, even when we mute our audio okay.
Speaker 2:So here's what happened. I like reset my computer, wipe the whole thing and reset my computer, and so there's a. There's some kinks that we need to work out, including some e-cam scenes that need to be redone.
Speaker 1:Well, see, this was the thing, because I was in here first and I checked that the audio was going, but then you said, hey, can you switch the e-cam profile to the couples table, which I did, and you haven't used that on this.
Speaker 2:I have't used it yet. Yeah, and it had a different audio setting and I didn't look at it. So Because everything went to default.
Speaker 1:Everything went to default. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Everything went to default, and so here we are. Yeah, so hopefully it's good. Ecamm Live Program. What is this screen here? It's a little. Is this supposed to be?
Speaker 1:like a preview?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it's the program one there, so Let program one so see is your computer working better, though, since you redid it? I mean I I don't notice like a performance difference, but it was the space you were running out of space.
Speaker 2:You're running out of space and it's funny because the thing okay. So here's what happened. Here's why I had to reset my computer. Um, I record everything to ecam. I haven't used a memory card in forever, so live streams, zoom calls, pre-recorded videos, vertical content, whatever. It's all recording to my computer and every single live stream, including the couples table, youtube. Huddle up all of that. Two years ago, I started a gaming channel and I was mostly playing final fantasy 14, which is, at the time, not mac compatible, so I was down. I downloaded this like bootleg run final fantasy 14 on a mac program that was, for some reason, 100 gigs, which, in terms of 4k, this is like us.
Speaker 1:That's just one file well, yeah, and both of our, you and I both have the same streaming computer, which is the original base model m1 mac mini, so it's 256 built-in memory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so you know, I was like 110 gigs on this magical file I couldn't find I got. We tried everything, yeah, like every I just could not find this file, and I hadn't played file fantasy 14 in a really long time. So I was like let me just wipe the computer because this mysterious file will not show itself. Um, so I did that. But now the new expansion for final fantasy 14 is coming out on my birthday in two weeks july 2nd, playing on the playstation, though, oh you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I want to stream, though, maybe right, yeah, that's, that was the problem. So right, it's also. You can also play final fantasy 14 on a console like playstation. But I can't, I don't have, I don't have this setup. I mean, I could set up the playstation 5 here that's so complicated.
Speaker 1:Ps4 is right, there can you run.
Speaker 2:You can run it on yeah, you can, I think, I think you can it's not the same.
Speaker 1:Bought the ps5 specifically for 14.
Speaker 2:We have a vlog about that anyway. So here we are, anyway, welcome it's friday uh, cat is trying out watching for my tv and comments from the phone. Today to work, parker jennings is in the house ernesto is here Friday. Guys, hope you had a great week. Audio Hotline is here. Crank up the fog machine, let's go. Gil's here, hello. Hello. Jeremy is here on Fuego.
Speaker 1:Speaking of Fuego.
Speaker 2:Vault. The Robot is here and here's our no audio and we're back. What is my operating system?
Speaker 1:We are onoma, yeah, yeah, sonoma.
Speaker 2:Get a nos if you don't already redundancy in more space I do have. We have one, but it's. It was final fantasy 14 which was taking out, and I don't I don't even know where it installed.
Speaker 1:I tried yeah, this was weird because you could see it was one of those things you can see, like on your disk space. You can see the file taking up space. But literally both of us tried and you said even Apple support tried over a period of months to find this file. No, like a year or a year Well, a year is made up of months. That's like when people say it's just minutes away, it's like, well, technically, isn't everything minutes away?
Speaker 2:It's just minutes 5600, so we're decked out in firebirds gear, and the reason why is because tonight is game one of the calder cup finals, which is basically the ahl equivalent of the stanley cup finals, and the firebirds are in it. And it has come down to the same freaking matchup from last season, which is the Coachella Valley Firebirds and the freaking Hershey Bears, and today is game one and we lost last season.
Speaker 1:In game seven overtime.
Speaker 2:In game seven overtime. It was so sad.
Speaker 1:I'm still sad about that I know. So I really emotionally can't handle if things don't go well.
Speaker 2:No, it's fine. No, anyway, it's going to be a little bit of a stressful week and a half here, I think, for us.
Speaker 1:And you know what also sucks is because, since it's Hershey named after Hershey, pennsylvania, where a certain chocolate company is based, when play the bears, our arena bans chocolate. There's no chocolate for sale anywhere, it's all there's no chocolate. Which means when I get my mr softy, soft sir, which is usually a swirl of chocolate and vanilla, no swirl anymore, straight vanilla only available. Which means I unknowingly had my last swirl like two and a half weeks swirl the pearl uh.
Speaker 2:Greg says. I think a streaming from your console video is in order well, the big thing we need because you can.
Speaker 1:Obviously consoles are made to stream fairly easy, like you can stream direct, but it's adding.
Speaker 1:I want to show the video, yeah the face cam and the, the mic and all that kind of stuff, um, and so the thing that you really need is some sort of 4k pass through, so that way you can't just run the console into a cam link or into an ATEM Well, atem, I guess, does have a pass through maybe because then there's gonna be a delay and what you're seeing is you're trying to control is like slightly off. So you need 4k pass through so that way you can have a signal going out to your display that has no latency and you can play like normal, but the signal is still being captured. So the thing that we have is the road streamer x, which is probably our best bet for a you know, maybe at the end of this we'll show you what we got sure because it's all hooked up yeah, you have the ati.
Speaker 1:I mean, the streamer x is kind of the way to go for that one, especially with the ps5 yeah yeah, it'll just look better the new elgato capture device yeah, they came with a new one that has passed through, but we have the streamer x and we already have it. Versus buying something, yeah, but elgato stuff is usually the way to go for a lot of things yeah, oh, I realized.
Speaker 2:every time I changed something see it's, I've got factory settings. So every time I change something, see it's, I've got factory settings. So every time I change something in Ecamm, the program window pops up and I don't remember how to turn it off.
Speaker 1:There is a setting somewhere in the settings to turn off the program. I need to go through the settings.
Speaker 2:So you, yeah, I was going to say this is a perfect time to redo my Ecamm tutorials, because I have to, like, redo all the settings and I might as well just record the whole process put it in the MacBook.
Speaker 1:That actually worked really well. But there were still other issues because it's a totally different processor, so things like my sync was different because the computer handled the signals differently and so what was in sync on my Mac Mini was now out of sync on a MacBook.
Speaker 2:I have the Streamer X Should do it. I haven't tried it yet, but it has passed through.
Speaker 1:It had a rough launch, so it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I think it. I think it has been updated and the times I've played with it since it's, it's a lot better and for gaming and stuff, I was trying to do like 24 frames per second 4k video capture, which is very different than trying to stream a console game in not 4k see, this is the best thing about having everyone who uses ecam here. I just closed it, you saw it right, and then it popped up again.
Speaker 2:It pops up again oh, is that what it is, scene switching.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know what you were switching well, okay we'll see, um what else was it?
Speaker 2:oh so here's a question for you. Well, today we don't have anything planned. We were just going to see what you guys want to talk about and talk about whatever we want to talk about. But one of the things I want to ask you about is that you have streamed three weeks in a row. Yeah, maybe from having never streamed like consistently ever really yeah, it hasn't.
Speaker 1:I mean it's been consistently. I think it might even be four, maybe three or four. Um, it's not consistent in that it's typically different days and times. Yeah, it's very random, but it has been. In addition to my video, I've been able to do a stream every week for the past couple weeks.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about that. Sure, why didn't you do it before? What changed? Well, the big thing that changed was my streaming.
Speaker 1:How do you feel about?
Speaker 2:it. Oh see, I don't even know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't even know. Yeah, I didn't even know these things Because it was so tedious to set up something for streaming before.
Speaker 2:Well, let me ask you this, as someone who has consistently published every Thursday at 5.15 am Pacific Standard Time for six years For the most part, for many years yeah. And obviously your channel has grown successfully, and obviously your channel has grown successfully. How do you feel about regularly incorporating live stream? That's a good question In terms of like performance and community cultivation.
Speaker 1:So in terms of the creative side of things, I love it because it's really fun. In terms of the community side of things, it's one of the best things that I feel like I can do right now. Um, and something that means a lot to me is either in the chat there, especially at the end of the streams, or even in the comments that people leave on the replays. Is people like the words helpful?
Speaker 1:thank you, right, yeah a lot of like helpfulness has popped up and I kind of can't help but approach streams with those streams with like a customer service mentality of like someone took the time to be here, especially because they're totally random. It's like I'm just suddenly going like going live right now, in 10 minutes, and then like people just show up and so when they ask a question I need help with something, I really try to like hit every one of them at least as much as I can. Yeah, um, and I feel like that does make them stand out a little bit, to like get to kind of dive in and get some help, because I do. I do sometimes watch streams where you know someone will say like hey, how do I connect my microphone to a whatever, and the person's like, oh, I don't know, you just do it like look up a tutorial and like you know there's almost which I get.
Speaker 2:It's like if you're not trying to do a support stream, you don't need to answer support questions so let me can I mention one thing I've observed I think we've talked about this, especially since NAB but one thing that I really think you do, differently from other channels that are, say, silver channel or silver what is it called? Play button and above 100,000 subscribers and above, I think what you do is that you are still a viewer. Yeah, I would think I would go so far to say that you're more of a viewer than a creator, like I think you watch as many youtube videos as you do it's probably pretty even, I mean, I would say it's but I think the the thing there that I think differentiates you is that you can say oh, I noticed on other people's streams, here's this like missing piece, and so you can.
Speaker 2:You know, you can actually be like well, when I do it, I want to make sure I do this Not knocking on the other person, but it's like, you know, you can kind of see the experience of what it's like to be a viewer.
Speaker 1:I think I have noticed. I think I've noticed when I watch channels where the person is not especially if it's a larger channel, where the person clearly is not much of a viewer themselves is people in chats will bring up things, they'll ask questions or they'll reference something that's happening on the platform or whatever, and the person around the channel almost like has no idea what they're talking about. And I think that is different where if you're like also a viewer, then you can go like oh yeah, I saw that, I noticed this, I heard about that Like you're in it as well, which is not like a strategy, it's just like I watch YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and watching.
Speaker 1:YouTube makes me want to make YouTube, and making YouTube makes me want to watch YouTube, so that's just sort of, I guess it's a happy accident. Yeah, performance wise, though I should probably mention this Um, I don't know if it's that or whatever, but uh, not good for the channel. Like really bad for the channel, no, yeah, no, my channel has not. In terms of views, growth total, everything has not been this low in four years.
Speaker 2:So numbers though.
Speaker 1:I went from about 30,000 views in 48 hours to maybe 1,500.
Speaker 2:Well, the reason why I say numbers okay, that's a huge decrease 15,000, sorry, oh, I was like what the hell? 30,000?.
Speaker 1:You got to go fill out some job applications From 30,000 down to 15, sorry math is hard, but it's also.
Speaker 2:It is summer, so there is always that summer lull yeah, but I think, like see, this is where it's like quality over quantity, because a thousand percent, like I see the reaction and engagement and, you know, interaction and it's all like phenomenal that is this huge value. So yeah, so I love it.
Speaker 1:You know, I get so much, I have a lot of fun, like I'm not drained afterwards, I'm energized afterwards, and so that it's like, and that's why I've been doing it, it's just because it's so much easier with my setups now, um, to do it in different ways, which is also fun, because it's like, let me try this, let me do a stream where I'm standing, let me use this computer instead of that one, like I have so much more flexibility just because of how things have been rearranged and the the lack of pressure I used to put so much pressure on. Like this stream is about this and I'm going to have 15 cameras connected. We're going to go to this and I have these graphics ready tom.
Speaker 2:Now it's like over sometimes.
Speaker 1:We press, go live and we figure it out along the way.
Speaker 2:Well, so here's Kat's comment. I appreciate hearing this about your streaming experience, especially that you aren't sticking to the same exact time. Talk a little bit about that. Why isn't a YouTube huddle every Wednesday or a couple's table every Friday at 1 pm Pacific Standard Time?
Speaker 1:Yeah well, it was supposed to be I. Yeah well it was supposed to be. I had a whole plan at the start of this year, even though my calendar was going to do two streams a month. One was going to be a chat, one was going to be a tech help desk. A month, I was like a week, what the heck Okay yeah, so every other week there was going to be a stream, a schedule amount. I even had like different thumbnails made for each. You prepped, I prepped.
Speaker 1:It was going to be very consistent, and what ended up happening was I just ended up getting sick a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I kind of learned that physically I couldn't do it. I don't know why some like couples table. You know we were out of town last weekend but for the most part we're fairly consistent Fridays 1pm, unless something else is happening. For some reason that just didn't work every time. I tried to like I'm going to do it at this time Even. You know there were times where I would like send out a newsletter like the night before.
Speaker 2:Stream tomorrow and it's like it was almost like Then you would get sick the morning of.
Speaker 1:It was almost like planning it cursed it from happening, and so what I've learned is like sometimes in my mind I might go like tomorrow could be a fun day to stream.
Speaker 2:But there's no pressure and I see how I feel tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if I'm feeling good, especially if I've already worked on a video and like, like one of the streams I did. I was making a video for Buzzsprout's channel and I had planned it out, outlined it, set it all up like the day before, so the actual talking head filming was like really quick. It ended up being surprisingly quick, but the setup was all there and everything looked good and I was like I don't want to just like turn all this off right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was in the car driving to the wedding, yeah, and I was like let's plug in the cam link and go live, you know.
Speaker 1:And so that's kind of why, in an ideal world, I actually would like it to be consistent, but I'm kind of liking the inconsistency. I guess it's just the pressure of like it almost feels rude to not be consistent, to not give people something consistent oh no, I think I think it plays into and I don't not using the word play as to.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I I think it's special when someone accidentally catches it. You know what I mean, because then you get a different, like if it was a time that nobody can join because it's, you know know, 4 am like for Bailey.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some of them, they would never catch it. Yeah, it's just kind of whenever, yeah.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:It's nice, it's great that there's no pressure. It's like literally, I'll schedule it like 10 minutes in advance in Ecamm.
Speaker 2:We'll see that. Even shows, like you know, the I don't know the connection that the people who show up impromptu. That's a big deal.
Speaker 1:It's pretty crazy, but that's also why I then feel like I almost feel a guilt and I almost feel an obligation. But that's all okay. I actually have been enjoying the impromptu. As someone who has a very structured schedule, which I like and need, it's a fun way to add in some spontaneity.
Speaker 2:I missed Jeremy's comment here In that time. Sony still hasn't gotten their collective-ish together.
Speaker 1:My lens is in for repair right now and Sony did send me a loaner lens, which is very nice, so I have that, so I can still use it, and hopefully they did say they're like we, we're gonna get it sorted out this time and I was able to film the problem I like recorded it when it happened again. So yeah they know I'm not crazy.
Speaker 2:At least crazy for this. Tech trouble makes a live stream is my favorite. I love the amazing community who come to my live streams. Glad you are doing too, tom. Great q and a's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's a really good community connection thing.
Speaker 2:And Kabucha's here. Hello, hello what is this.
Speaker 1:Plus, it's fun to like try, you know, when you don't use the tools often, you know it's fun to be like oh shoot, ecamm profiles are. I know they're not new, but they're kind of new. So being able to easily switch everything over from my Mac mini to my MacBook was awesome. I finally have sorted out my like, like smooth my jittery video problem. Yeah, I don't know what that was, I just copied your settings. I don't know why suddenly it clicked. But yeah, basically like I didn't these.
Speaker 1:I didn't even change my settings, because obviously I reset everything well, your camera's not a 4k camera, so I think by default that's helping, and then you just adjust your ecam so I had to turn my camera to 1080 30 instead of 4K 24. So that's like a change. I just have a custom button for streaming and it switches all those settings.
Speaker 2:Well, tech troublemakers, I find the folks who usually show up for lives also usually show up for premieres as well.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. They're sort of similar. Huh, how come you don't premiere videos?
Speaker 2:um, because usually honestly, I'm not awake when the video goes. That's true.
Speaker 1:I like to wake up and be like okay, it's what's done is done.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about a new lens for the zoni zoni cv10 that's what it was face sv the sony zv10 e10 well, I mean, it depends on what you need, since that's a crop sensor camera, I am I think you already have the sigma 16, which is like the default, right, I would maybe, depending on what you would, what you want to use it for, especially if you maybe want to take it out into the world the tamron 17 to 70, 2.2.8. Pretty awesome. I have the Tamron 20-40mm, which is a full-frame lens, but they have a longer lens for crop sensor. They're the same price. I don't know. That's my recommendation.
Speaker 2:There you go. So what else is up, Tom?
Speaker 1:Lots of things. I have one thing that I'm excited to kind of share and talk about. Oh, cool.
Speaker 2:What do you have?
Speaker 1:Anything else going on here. You've been doing all kinds of like editing and thinking and yeah, so I don't know where I mentioned this.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think I was talking to Kat, but Tom and I did our summer goals.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:June 15th, September 15th.
Speaker 1:That's the day of the 14th. There we go.
Speaker 2:Starting tomorrow and I'm excited. We have a lot of exciting things happening for both of our channels, so we'll keep everyone updated.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, there's some really fun stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so one of the things actually we can talk about this the group for the middle-class creators, small business creators thing that we were talking about, since NAB that's happening. I don't know if you mind mentioning this. I don't think you mind, but one of the ideas Tom came up with was doing some kind of live cohort experience thing. I don't think we're going to be able to do it this summer.
Speaker 1:Wait for that or for.
Speaker 2:For separate. Yeah, for for a separate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah because I I have three courses available and I've been wanting to make a fourth one and I have, like, some ideas. But one thing I also have wanted to do for a long time is, uh, do a live thing. Yeah, it's like a live class instead of a go at your own pace. Yeah, like a zoom thing not like a live in person, but obviously I just mentioned showing up consistently for a thing has been, so that's why like breaking it down into like six weeks, six week cohorts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could be cool, but that's probably something that will happen after summer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that sounds exciting. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would be great, and especially with just all the amazing tools there are now, like there's so many things I didn't have when I was teaching online every day.
Speaker 2:I know, man, that I just kind of want to teach online to use them now. Sigma Zoom James Marker here. Hello, I only have the kit lens right now.
Speaker 1:Oh well, if you only have the kit, then get the Sigma 16 1.4, I'm sure doc has tried to push that on you a bunch but like for the office studio setup. That's the way to go. There you go, and then is that what I have?
Speaker 2:uh, you have what is essentially the full frame equivalent of it 24 millimeter 1.4 there you go this is the sigma 1.4 well, go ahead and talk about your thing oh my, my thing was just YouTube related. Yeah, but it's what else? What else is it going to be, babe?
Speaker 1:No, I sort of had an interesting it was sort of an interesting realization last week.
Speaker 2:Ooh realizations.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to be talking about another channel, a channel that I like Spill the tea and a channel that I respect, but it's going to sound like I'm being critical no-transcript it's not. The reason I think this is interesting is something. It's something, uh, we have talked about many times here. Is that like something feels different or has felt different?
Speaker 2:about youtube.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, in the past, yes, year or two maybe, and it's strange because it's it's almost like why, why do things? I? I understand that I almost feel like there's a little shift happening now, going in the other direction, but I understand that things feel different and like what happened and because it seems like everyone's doing the same stuff, right, like we're making the same videos talking about the same things. Why does it feel different?
Speaker 2:well, let's, let's go into that a little bit more, because I want to see if anyone else notices this change right? So, as a viewer, you are seeing that. Is it channel related or is it YouTube in general?
Speaker 1:I think it's both. I think it's channel related, because I've noticed there's a lot of channels that I just don't watch, that I used to watch all the time, and it's just like.
Speaker 2:Okay, so in general, there's a YouTube channel that you've been following for a while and then at some point you realize that you're not opening up those videos.
Speaker 1:I think the channels, yeah, and I think the reason for that is the channel starts making videos based on what it thinks the platform needs, not, you know. And that's where, like, the camera niche is a great example, because this is a thing that has popped up a lot and kind of came to a head relatively recently, where it's like it sort of went from enthusiasm of like hey, look at this, look at that, look at this, to just like here's the next commercial for a new product release and it's like here's 10 of the same video about the same product, telling you the same specs, and it's like, well, yeah, who wants to watch that? Like nobody. Nobody wants to watch that, and that's very different. It a very different feeling. And so there's a channel I've followed, actually since like 2017, when I was getting my drone license, and it was the first time I dipped a toe into aviation YouTube. I actually found this channel before we met.
Speaker 1:And it was one of the channels, even though it's in a totally different niche. It was one of the things that made me go like God. Having a YouTube channel would be really fun. Like this looks so cool it's largely based around paramotoring, okay, which is basically you have a big fan on your back and a parachute. So you have a parachute and a motor paramotor and you fly around like it's a really big fan and you turn it on, you run and then you fly okay it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's not something I would ever have the guts to do. It's also very dangerous, but you always obviously have to be a licensed pilot and everything. And so I found a channel. Uh, that had been that's been around for a long time, but I found it in 2017 and at the time, the channel had just published, or recently published, a video. Uh, that was just the.
Speaker 1:The guy who runs the channel is like out I don don't know where he is in the Midwest of the United States, somewhere like that, maybe, the East Coast, lots of lush green farm ruralness and the video is I flew to McDonald's and so it's him on his paramotor. He's at like a park, like a soccer park, and he flies, and he found a McDonald's that just had a large field next to it so he could land there. He went and got his burgers, went back up and then it was just eating the burgers on the way home and then landed at the park. But the whole video this was videos. You know, 2017, the whole video is so like let's see if I could do this kind of is the thing Like? And it's literally like he has a GoPro strapped to his foot and so the way that he films himself is just to stick a leg out while flying so the GoPro can film him. I think he has another GoPro on his head. That's basically all the production value. I think he has a headset to talk. You know, because you're flying you need a headset and I think you can hear him through the headset and that's kind of it. It's literally just like it feels like it's a Sunday night and he just had an idea to try to go.
Speaker 1:I think it ended up being the most popular video on his channel. It has like 50 million views at this point. But his channel was very small at the time. The video was just kind of a goof around, whatever. And there's something about that video that's just like it's so enjoyable to watch and it's so much fun and, and you know, I've sort of kept tabs on the channel over the years. And so last week when you were going to our friend's wedding it was a multi-day event you went to a couple events I didn't go to so one of the nights, um, his channel popped up in my recommendations.
Speaker 1:It was a more recent video, um, which was cool. And then I kind of went back and looked at recent videos and I realized, because that video that mcdon McDonald's video was so popular. He ended up doing a whole series of like flying to every fast food restaurant, and so I looked for the most recent one. Maybe it's not the most recent one, but this was about two years ago, I think, maybe three. He redid the McDonald's one, okay, and I was like it's the most popular video. I'm redoing this. But now there's like three other pilots that are flying too and we're all going to go to McDonald's and do a thing.
Speaker 1:And it's funny because I rewatched the original one and I had the same feeling I had seven years ago. And what was crazy was watching the comments. There were so many people in the comments of that video that said every couple of years, youtube recommends this video to me. People in the comments of that video that said every couple years, youtube recommends this video to me. I watch it every time and it's so comforting, it's so nostalgic. It's weird that, like we're all having the same feelings about this video.
Speaker 2:There's something about years later, really years later, we're all doing the same thing, yeah we loved it.
Speaker 1:It gave us a special feeling. We revisited it periodically and it has the same feeling. It's the same feeling for so many different people okay very interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like, okay, let's watch the new one. Obviously a new one we're gonna have better. You know he's got cameras mounted nice now that, like the production quality is so much better. Um, the comments on the video are largely positive. I didn't like it at all and it was. It felt like it was very much. I mean, mean, it starts with literally, like you know, another, like creator on a one wheel going up like hey, we're going to McDonald's and this. That, oh bro, like this, it's very like creator, bro, feeling which, watching more recent videos on the channel, I feel like kind of like went back to sort of like a regular vibe. But they replicate the same thing, they kind of go in and it's like so many times to sort of talk about like, oh, it's like the original and oh, we're redoing this and we're doing that. It's the classic thing we got. It's just so like over the, it's like over the top in a way.
Speaker 1:Um, it obviously does not have the same charm no, um, and to me, the reason I bring this whole thing up is not to be critical, but it to me it showed the difference between making a video and making a youtube video. Oh wow, and I I think it's the core of this thing that people are, that this, this thing that feels off where it's like we're all like it's all the same stuff. The video, the newer video, arguably is better because it's better sound, better video yeah, but that's production and it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing. We're gonna fly to mcdonald's get some burgers. Fly back, eat the burgers in the sky. So why does the same video feel different? The first one is somebody who is literally like I have an idea for a video, I'm just going to share this. I'm they're sharing something and the way to share it is through video. The second one is we're making a youtube video. It's going to be edited for retention.
Speaker 2:It's going to have these like kind of meta referential.
Speaker 1:It's going to have certain beats. It's going to sort of be extreme.
Speaker 1:It's like you're not watching a guy in the world, you're watching a youtuber in the world even the way that, like you know, like the first one, I think, if I'm remembering right, when he goes in and orders at mcdonald's, it's, it's. It's the old school thing of like kind of the camera or the gopro or phone or whatever, like pointed down so you can see the counter, like, oh, could I get a mcdouble or whatever. And this one it's gopro on the helmet. Like, yeah, we're filming a video, we're going here and we're doing. It's like. And the workers like, right, like it's very that.
Speaker 1:And even going back to camera, youtube, there's such a difference like you could watch a camera review from, you know, six, seven years ago. You watch a camera review from today, six, seven years ago. It's something whether the person bought it themselves or it was supplied to them, it's something they're excited about, like, oh, this is the new thing. We've been waiting for this, because the current one has these issues here and it seems like it's fixed here and I can't wait to see if that's actually fixed. And the new one is just like here's the thing uh, it says that it has this, it says that it has this, it has this, it has this, it does this well, I like what you're bringing up because it's you're pointing out two things um.
Speaker 2:One is that it doesn't seem like it's about the format or the type of video, so it's like totally different yeah, totally different well I mean because, like you know, with the whole conversation that we've been talking about, about like our camera view is bad, or if you get something for free, does that mean it's bad, but it's like well, that's not even it right, because you can even say the opposite of like production value can all, can go all the way up, but the connection right doesn't necessarily correlate right, right and then the other.
Speaker 2:The other thing is, um, I don't even know how to explain it, but it's that, it's, it's the solo, it's, it's the person who's like, it's the person who's figuring it out, not to say that super polished content is not interesting and engaging, and, uh, you know something that people want to watch regularly. I think there's a place for that, but I think the thing that you're talking about, that you gravitate towards, is like, is is the like, the tinkering, tinkering independent tinkery shit.
Speaker 1:I mean that's. We've talked about casey nice, that's channel. When casey has videos that's just him in his studio doing whatever those are favorite, when it's him with, like his assistant or somebody.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like I just don't watch them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, oh, it's like I don't know why there's something else there's like this third person here in this like relationship and I don't want them here well, it's interesting because, um, I think especially as I feel like in the last month, ai has just been insane and it's only going to get more insane, I think in terms of, like the summer, I think it's getting so good. It's getting so good, and I think that it's just something to think about, as we are creating content but then also watching content. How do we, how do we like, how do we lean into the connection?
Speaker 1:The human made thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause I, I'm sure I, I am willing to bet that there is a way that you can use AI and still lean into the human. Oh, yeah, yeah, there has to be. Yeah, it's just about being creative, but yeah, um, but I feel like the way that ai is being pitched right now is leaning towards that. Um, like the youtubers making a youtube video versus making a video yeah yeah, I so I don't know.
Speaker 1:I have no conclusions. I mean, I guess these are more conclusions, but I thought that it just crystallized to me the difference between making a video and making a YouTube video. And I want to make videos that are on YouTube, but I don't want to make YouTube videos.
Speaker 2:So what's a YouTube video? What do you not want to make?
Speaker 1:platform dictates the video and obviously there's kind of this gray area of like well, the video needs to be for an audience, needs to have a purpose, right? It's like you know, like it could just be the raw footage of like your whole movie on on your channel but image underscore 5068 yeah, dot mov. Yeah, I don't think you can go that far. I don't think anyone would want to watch that. But it is different when it's like this topic is trending right now. I need to jump onto this.
Speaker 2:I need to edit in this way. I need to show this, I need to perform this way on camera.
Speaker 1:I need to.
Speaker 2:Because you yourself are like my entire channel performance tanked, even though I'm doing live stream.
Speaker 1:I mean you asked, but yeah, that's not so how?
Speaker 2:how does a person like not panic?
Speaker 1:you do panic, you don't not panic unless you just have like, unless your channel. You know if, if your channel is not your main thing. And the performance? You know. If this were my second channel, for example, where the performance? I don't even know what the performance is that's easy, not to panic I want to make good videos on that channel.
Speaker 2:I want it to be enjoyable, but I have absolutely no idea what the performance is uh, greg says I remember that same original video, tom, I wanted to buy a paramoting right after and a big mac yeah, let me tell you that is like the best mcdonald's commercial, because it makes every.
Speaker 1:It makes you just want to go to mcdonald's isaac is here.
Speaker 2:I completely get what you're saying. I feel like there's a trend of all videos collapsing into a similar format, even across different topics.
Speaker 1:Well, it's even when it's like especially the new one, which, granted, is several years old at this point, but when it's like three bros in a parking lot as soon as like someone shows up on a one wheel with like their vlog thing and it's the extreme, whatever I'm like, why?
Speaker 1:are we all? Why does it have to be this? It's so hard because it's like I can be that person, though like I'm not. What's wrong with it? There's nothing, there's nothing and this is it. There's nothing wrong with it. Right like yesterday, you, you filmed a quick instagram clip on rollerblades and you were just like, oh, the rollerblades are nice because it's so smooth and the action's really fun. Like there's something really interesting about just filming in that in that way. But I think I think it goes back to like you're making a video because you thought it would be cool to make a video about flying McDonald's versus.
Speaker 1:We're making this video because this is going to get more like I'm on a one wheel, because I'm interested in this like electric vehicle thing and it's fun to ride around and sometimes it pops up on videos versus like I'm a YouTuber in 2022. I need to have a one wheel.
Speaker 2:I know, do you guys see what is right here?
Speaker 1:No, I know that's how we met. I'm not.
Speaker 2:This oh, it's you, it's me, it's your bumblebees uh covering it, but there's a boosted board right here and I was a thousand percent that youtuber who had a boosted board in 2016 we'll see, and that that's where things got weird, though, because I did too.
Speaker 1:That's how. That's a big reason why we met, so I'm not. It's not that there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2:There's I, I know what you mean. By the way, for the record, yeah, I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1:I can't solidify it it's I want to know it when you see it, it's one of those things like I can't define it, but I know it when I see it isaac says.
Speaker 2:At the same time, I found it to be a struggle to keep my content exactly the same quality when I want to feel like I'm growing and evolving I think there's a big difference between you being the one who decides you want to change something, try something new, grow something and you feeling like you should.
Speaker 1:Or you want to change something, try something new, grow something, and you feeling like you should, or you have to. Like you know, if you feel like you want to do live streams, do live streams. If you don't want to do live streams. But you feel like like even in my YouTube dashboard, it was like double your channel's growth by live streaming at least once a week, and I was like very ironic, you're telling me this. You do because you're seem like you're punishing my channel for streaming, but if you get that, then you're gonna feel like oh, I don't want to stream, but yeah, okay, I guess I should because I'm doing and it's like that's already.
Speaker 1:You've already kind of lost, like, oh well, I I like the videos I make, but I feel like I should mix it up more versus like I want to mix it up, I want to try something new, that internal motivation to it versus the external yeah, I know it's hard because it's like obviously you want to, you want to do what you know is going to be successful, um, and at least when you do what youtube is telling you, you have data to back it up.
Speaker 2:The thing that, like I have been thinking about a lot lately is I said this on the youtube huddle up like we shouldn't be chasing the algorithm. The algorithm should be chasing us right, like at some point, everything was done with, for the very first time, every single trend, so, in order, you know, I think I think it is. I think it does take that experimenting, experimentation and tinkering to be the one that like, oh, that's the new thing. Like you know, you have to do something that's never been done, which is hard. There's no proof of concept, you have no data to back it up, you know. And you have to do something that's never been done, which is hard. There's no proof of concept, you have no data to back it up, you know. And so I guess what ends up happening is you follow what is successful by getting a one wheel, or Well, algorithms and platforms don't know intent.
Speaker 1:So, like a video last week, for example, was probably my worst performing video in maybe four years on the channel Like it's really bad in terms of performance. So all I'm getting is red arrows dings things are bad, but.
Speaker 1:And granted very few people watch that video the ones that did 100% positive comments I haven't had to delete anything on there. Good discussion, positive comment. It's a useful video and the reason I wanted it on the channel was because it's as much as I know. A video about parametric equalizers isn't going to hit the trending page. I want that on my channel so that way, forever, or at least for a long time I always have that resource there to refer people to, so there's an intent and a purpose there that is not going to be reflected in what the algorithm sees. Not a lot of people are clicking on this. The watch time is not very good, Whatever, that's not what that video is for. But all it's telling me is this video is a failure, and then, as the person who made it, you have to be in a spot where you can say no, I wanted it to do this. It's not a failure, even though you're telling me it's a failure.
Speaker 2:Also the. The YouTube studio obviously is designed with YouTube's goals in mind. So you know, maximum performance and optimization is what it's designed for.
Speaker 1:So if you're not, if you are not meeting their goals, they're gonna tell you about it yeah, and they don't care if you have 500 videos that met their goals, if your 501st video doesn't I'm pretty sure that video would be sponsored by mcdonald's now neither of these videos were sponsored, by the way, I should say, neither of the McDonald's ones. By McDonald's by anybody, or just ever. Oh wow, there was no sponsor.
Speaker 2:The first video has authenticity and originality, but see, like I don't know, that's hard, because how is the second one not authentic and original?
Speaker 1:I think. I mean, I think you could say the originality of like let me revisit this, or even do this with a friend, like let me revisit this idea, that's really fun. Let me let me share it with somebody else. That's an original idea.
Speaker 1:I think it's the authenticity and when you at least when I watch it, you can, when you do youtube long enough I've said it's like seeing the matrix right, you can start to see the matrix behind the video and that's where it's like, when I watch the other one, I see the matrix and you see the authenticity for lack of a better, less cliche term and when you watch the other one, you see the matrix and you see algorithms, like you see the other version of it and you just can. I don't know how that's so hard. And again, I'm not trying to be hypercritical, because also credit is due this channel. The more recent videos are original, I feel. I feel they're very original, authentic, maybe matured a bit, um. So you know, maybe this was just a chunk where the, the person behind the channel was trying something that didn't work out or they didn't want to stick with, creatively at least.
Speaker 2:Um photograph. Maria says I love the EQ video.
Speaker 1:Really helped me. See. That's the whole point. Thank you, I appreciate that. It's simple. It's not the most. It's like buying a good tripod head. You're like this is not what I want to spend $400 on. It's like buying a good tripod head. You're like this is not what I want to spend $400 on. It's the least exciting thing in the world to spend $400 on.
Speaker 2:And then you get your good tripod head and you're like why didn't I do this earlier? Like this changed my life. Audio Hotline says I relate to that. One of my favorite videos that I ever made is my least watched. I just got a text that says hello, are you Jessica? I'm Emily, sorry, emily. Let me tell you who never sends a text like that Any real human being. This is spam. Sorry, kat says. At a conference last week, I saw Ali Abdaal present about creating YouTube videos and it was so refreshing because he focused on connecting with enjoyment of creating Interesting.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't expect that from him, but I'm happy to hear it uh, mommy guide inc is here.
Speaker 2:Hi heather and tom woke up early and saw you and tom are live. Hi roy, cat, kombucha, jeremy and friends.
Speaker 1:That's nice that's the beauty of live streaming.
Speaker 2:You have those kind of moments there yeah, nice, uh, a lifetime on the edge. It seemed to be the difference of going on trip with a friend and staged videos for making a video right it's the thing of um, oh, I was, oh, this is I know it's so hard because like okay. So here's what I've been working on. Sorry, I cut you off I'm sorry it's fine, I've been talking the whole episode I don't need to talk.
Speaker 1:No, go ahead finish no, no, my thing is long and pointless and probably not, yeah I promise we have time.
Speaker 2:At the end we can get there, okay, so here's, here's what happened. My roommate that I was living with for five years before I met tom. It was her wedding last week and, uh, I wanted to do an instagram post that had pictures from her wedding, but then, as I was putting it together, I was like, you know, it'd be more fun, you know, and especially like on my Instagram, because my Instagram, my YouTube channel, are documenting my journey. I was like, oh, I should talk about, like what YouTube was like before Tom. Right, like how I figured all this out and all my first tutorials, my first vlogs, my first live streams, that was all. My roommate, she was the one who was there and she was down, she helped me and all that.
Speaker 2:So I went through all my hard drives and like, dug up and I was like making this video. Hard drives and like, dug up and I was like making this video. Um, but the reason why I bring that up is because, you know, I I found so many things of like. My very first, I thought my very first brand deal was an electric skateboard. Turns out it was a case of wine, um, and I had her help me with it because she is a sommelier. So she's like the. It's like the certification that you take for, like, wine aficionados or whatever, um, and so she was gonna help me make this video.
Speaker 2:We didn't end up making anything with that video, but it's funny case of wine, we just drink the wine but it's funny because, like you can see, you can see the misalignment of like I don't want to be making this, I don't know how I, I don't know I said yes to a thing because it sounded like a good thing and you're kind of forcing it now you can see my entire body language.
Speaker 2:Like I know me, that girl did not know her. She was all like, why? Like, what is the point of this? It's just so like you could just see it in my face. I have like no idea what's happening, which is why, like to, I feel like every single youtube creator goes through that for the first time of like someone offers you which is a bad feeling yeah, it's like it's not bad. Yeah, case of wine cool and like all you do is make a video and I had no idea anyway.
Speaker 2:um, so I went through the whole journey of figuring out tutorials and vlogs and you know what it means to be a YouTube creator. And then I met this guy, okay, and I feel like we could be this exact thing, right, like, okay, yeah, before it's me just figuring it out, it's just me. And then I met you and everything is intentional, purposeful. We stage things. Arguably, I mean, it's not staging, but you know, we storyboard and every time we make a video, we're like, we always say like okay, we're gonna make sure this is in it and this in it. Why is it different? Like, how are we not doing the same thing? How? How do we maintain? Do we maintain authenticity? Let me ask that first. Like, are we even being? What is the difference?
Speaker 1:I think that we are at least the best that we can like. You know, there's a difference, like like what if we had one? Hair before we get on camera, versus just waking up and showing up on camera. Yeah, but if that, if that beers off, authentic.
Speaker 1:Authentic, because I'm aware of you put on makeup like yeah, okay, so maybe that's I don't know, I don't think that, uh, derails authenticity or anything. I think it's. It's the thing. It's making a video versus making we'll call it, call it making a youtube video. That's the difference. You can be doing the exact same thing and that's kind of my point. It's a lot of it is the motivation and the tone behind it, the purpose, motivation and tone, even though it's the same thing. I feel like you and I make videos. That's what we try to do, and the difference is making youtube videos and that's where people go, you know, that's where people get burnt out, people get frustrated. Viewers feel like something has changed all that and you're you, you are making.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you're making this argument, but are you making the argument that making videos can you? You can, you can be a successful youtube creator by making videos and not youtube videos? Yes, I, I guess. Long term, long term, that's your thesis, right yeah? I would hope so, because if you're talking about sustainability of the channel, then focusing on making the videos that only you can make, versus what YouTube wants you to make. Yeah, like this will probably make you. This will probably like be more sustainable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might not have explosive growth Like if you check all the perfectly like algorithmic boxes or whatever, but you'll probably be able to do it for longer which I don't know anyone who does youtube videos that doesn't have the like I'm burned out, I'm quitting, I'm done video also.
Speaker 1:Plenty of people who make videos get to that point too. But I feel like that's the thing that lets you, because you're. It's such a different motivation, you know it's. It's a very different thing between, like you know, I will go in right every day and do bass lessons in my studio, right, like, yeah, sit at the bass practice scales, learn a little bit about theory, practice songs, and I want I like try to find time to do it because I love it so much.
Speaker 1:I remember when I was like 11 and trying to learn to play the violin turns out I didn't really like the violin as much as I thought I would, and I remember my mom telling me like every day you need to practice. Right now you need to practice at least 45 minutes, and it's like I don't want to do this. In both cases I'm practicing an instrument but like the motivation and the purpose behind is so different. In the one it's internal and it's me, so there's I can just keep doing this Like I have to stop, usually because I ran out of time, and the other one it's external. This other force is making me do it, and it's like the time couldn't go any slower and it couldn't be any less fun. And I don't play the violin anymore. I sold it, bought a Nintendo.
Speaker 2:Mommy Guide Inc. Says thoughts to ponder here for real. I have only been doing this for three years, but has been a dream for far more than that. Blessed to be able to do it finally. A constant work in progress.
Speaker 1:Congrats on three years, that's a long time.
Speaker 2:It's like what you don't know won't hurt, kind of thing. When I didn't know anything, I thought everything was okay, as I learned. I realized that some of the stuff I was doing could be improved further.
Speaker 1:Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.
Speaker 2:Matt says, least attractive video is a tripod video. My Sattler Flowtech tripod is amazing, but unless you have used one, you don't get it. The same for my Fujinon MKLN Super 35 fully manual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how much Matt's tripod costs. I feel like the minimum of those, like a thousand bucks for just a tripod and so many people are like why? Would you do that like you just get a 30 amazon basics one. They both hold up the camera and it's not a. It's hard to communicate it, much less get someone you know interested in it that doesn't know they might be interested in it anyway yeah, yeah, uh, obs is here.
Speaker 2:Oh, I almost banned you hey, hey y'all well, so what's the takeaway?
Speaker 1:what are? I don't know that there is. I don't want to even proclaim that there is a takeaway, it's just what are your takeaways?
Speaker 2:like? What's your? What my?
Speaker 1:takeaway is that I want to continue making videos, not youtube videos how do you do that?
Speaker 2:have you ever had the thought of like oh, I'm veering into youtube video land, I need to come back? Yeah, oh, you have, you have well, give us an example.
Speaker 1:The thing that I struggle with a lot would be more like um, I would call it collaborations. It's like nab was a great chance to. I felt like my I the the collaborations that we did, felt they actually helped the videos be better. In my case, a lot of mic tests. Hearing and seeing other people on the microphones is actually very right, yeah, someone that isn't your voice.
Speaker 1:It's a and it's a fun way to bring people in. I feel like a lot of times you can connect with someone you can completely get along. We should definitely make a video together. And then I have found myself like almost feeling so forced and feeling not like myself making it, because it's like this is not a video I'd make, this is not like, this is not how I would maybe some not a video I'd make. It's not how I would make this video normally. And it feels so foreign and I think in the time I've tried to just be like well, you're going out of your comfort zone. That feels uncomfortable and you should push through it. But in reality I've learned over the years like it's the same thing with like I shouldn't have a consistent upload schedule because that's so old school and nerdy and I should be real free flow YouTube, bro, just upload whinevs. Man, it doesn't work for me. Who is this? Is this a person? It's a lot of.
Speaker 1:Instagram requested messages that start with you should. Hey, bro, you should, and it's just also what I see a lot of other people doing and what people have told me to do directly. It doesn't work for me, and so just becoming comfortable with like, yeah, most of my videos are probably going to be in my studio I don't know, if you don't like that, I don't want to watch those videos yeah, and just sort of being okay with that, that's kind of the takeaway.
Speaker 2:I love it. Ob says don't ban me 3,000 for a tripod 8,000 for the two lens.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I thought they started at 1,000. I know they go up from there.
Speaker 2:In an ideal world I can set and forget it and never have to crop again like I do now with the ZV-1. That's what I do. I never turn, I do not touch. It is covered in dust, my whole situation over there. I only turn it on and I turn it off. Well, you could I mean, if it were a little wide you could always crop in with the cam and then you never have to touch it Whoa Max crop, max crop.
Speaker 1:Whoa Wait, the beats droppage with max crop.
Speaker 2:He's here every week, folks.
Speaker 1:Your callers at NAB were great.
Speaker 2:They felt like a bunch of friends. Collabs at nab were great. It felt like a bunch of friends hanging out and jamming, but with mics I mean, that's what it was, that we were just hanging out I know, but I'm trying to figure out. Why is it different? Because I feel like they're we. We've seen collabs on youtube, you know, obviously, but then like well, I mean for me.
Speaker 1:I actually went to nab specifically saying I don't want to do any collabs, because I I've I've seen the shoehorned collabs where it's like this is just to say like, hey, look who I'm with, I'm with person here and it's like it seems interesting in the moment, but ultimately it's not interesting for anybody. I didn't want to do that and it was literally like in the hotel room one morning, before doing something. I was like, oh, I think it might be helpful to do this and like it just sort of made sense. Like it was like how do I show this? Oh, it could just be me walking around with these different microphones but hearing them on different voices, and especially I'm talking about interview microphones I'm going to need another person.
Speaker 1:Right, so it makes sense and then you know, like Bronson from Audio Hotline, it was kind of like the three of us were like a main group the whole time and you know, like we knew he was also going and that we're going to spend time together. But I don't know if we all knew that we're gonna spend that much time together and I think when we realized that it was like, oh cool, well, we can kind of shift it like there's so many combos, you can film the two of us, he can film the two of us, I can film too. Like right we can.
Speaker 1:It actually helped with this specific topic. It helped it be better free flow youtube, bro. It's the way to go we just said enhance when you zoom in.
Speaker 2:Mr Camera Junkie in the house, I do have to tell a story, though, about enhancing.
Speaker 1:That I thought was really funny. Um, so, like three years ago, we visited my parents. They like rented a little beach house in like the central California area and we went visit them for a couple days and, you know, we did cameras, took pictures, did all the things, and maybe, like a year later, my mom was like hey, anniversary. I don't want you to get us anything. What I'd really love is you took this really great photo of us. I've heard my stepdad. Can you, can you like send me the file?
Speaker 1:I think you know I was gonna be like oh I'll you know, I'll blow it up, print it out, send it to you and stuff. And I was like, yeah, of course, and I went through because we have our nos. And I went through and looked and I was like I cannot find this picture I know what photo she's talking about.
Speaker 1:It's a great photo outdoors, the beach. It's beautiful. I was like I can't find this one. I searched everywhere and like months went by and she's like where's the photo? I'm like, I'm trying to find it, I couldn't find it and finally I had to tell her like I lost the photo. I don't, I don't have the photo, um, and I felt really bad. And then I forget how this was? You zoomed in. No, I did, I didn't. It was actually my mom. Oh, my mom found a different photo from that day and she zoomed in. It was a photo of her. She zoomed in on her sunglasses and saw you in the reflection with a phone and I was like, oh my God, okay, that means the photo I'm looking for.
Speaker 2:Is on her phone?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not only not on my cameras, it's not even on our phones, it's on her phone, because it was in like a I't know like a black phone case and we had colored phone case. Like it was very obvious, even though you couldn't see it was very green well, I wouldn't have used my phone.
Speaker 2:I would have been like I'm taking picture of you guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you wouldn't use your phone. I know I didn't use my phone and it wasn't in the color case that I have, so it had to be her phone. And I was like, wait a minute, the whole time this photo is actually on your phone. And then she went back and she was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1:I was like at this point it'd been close to a year of me trying to find this photo feeling bad, getting sent on guilt trips left and right and it turned out I never, I didn't even take the photo and never had the photo. I was not involved with this look at this.
Speaker 2:Look, he feels vindicated to this day.
Speaker 1:It was such a weight it was weighing heavy on, but it's so funny because it was such a crazy thing and I remember she sent me the text. She's like this might be crazy, but when I zoom in on my glasses I think I see heather in them and I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, a little csi there there we go.
Speaker 2:Andre says hi, everyone on the train but wi, train but Wi-Fi, so made it-ish. And everyone's saying hi.
Speaker 1:Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 2:Well, that was an interesting discussion that I didn't know we were going to go into there we go, they say hi, we say bye. All right.
Speaker 1:Oh boy. Well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 2:It's time to clear the table it is the top of the hour, yeah, so anyway. Um, I don't know why they don't. I don't know why they don't stream these on youtube who calder cup game one oh, firebirds versus the bears on ahL. Tv. That's what we're going to be doing, starting at 4 pm Pacific Standard Time, 7 pm Eastern Eastern Time.
Speaker 1:The Bears. I can't bear the Bears.
Speaker 2:So I'm sure you can find something online that tells you the live score, but this is what we are going to be watching, and I hope you have a great West of your I can't talk anymore.
Speaker 1:Great west west of your day? I don't know yeah, thank you for watching there it is.
Speaker 2:I hope you have a safe, happy, healthy, fun.
Speaker 1:Rest of your weekend and we will see you next time jeez, I have to redo my ecamp scenes.
Speaker 2:Where are they here? Outro, okay, bye.