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Hello and welcome. My name is Tom. And I'm Heather. And you're sitting at the Couples Table.
SPEAKER_02The Couples Table is a live stream podcast here on this channel. Join us for better or worse.
SPEAKER_00For richer or poor.
SPEAKER_02In sickness and in health.
SPEAKER_00For the first time in 2024.
SPEAKER_02Oh, could you believe the new year? Hello.
SPEAKER_00I know we're like, what, 11, 12, 12 days into it right now? Yeah. Five golden rings.
SPEAKER_02Hello, everybody. Tech Troublemaker is in the house. Hello, Bailey. Hello, hello. Parker Jennings is here as well. As I go through the greeting comments, Tom is going to check the audio. Freddie always is here. Pete is here. Hello, Tom and Heather. Zens. What's up? Hi, everyone. Top of the morning podcast. Greetings from Mars. Hello. Real Pel room. Hello, hello. Homesick Mac is here. Julie. Hello. Happy Friday. Kane, always love the community here. K Walk Comedy. Hi, peeps. Haven't been to the table in a hot minute. We're glad you're here. Michael is here back on schedule where I can watch live. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Ubbs. Oh my gosh, we were talking about you yesterday.
SPEAKER_00In a good way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I went to the doctor and took your advice about the monthly migraine shot thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Charlotte, happy new year. Room jam. Hey, Tom and Heather. Wish I could stick around. Just wanted to say hi. Catch you all in the replay. Have a great stream. See ya. Thanks for saying hi. The show has audio. I think it's whether our audio is balanced.
SPEAKER_00You know, um, you know Scott Kramer, who I've been watching on my YouTube commentary channels that I love. I was watching his like recap end of the year video. Okay. And he mentioned he mentioned me and it a couple times because the video is an hour and a half long and he keeps changing mics throughout. And he was like, it's like nobody on this channel cares about this, but I'm now using the Shore SM7B or whatever. Um and then halfway through the video, he's like, Oh, there was a video I saw from Rim Jam, and it was a clip from their channel.
SPEAKER_01Oh, shut up.
SPEAKER_00Well, because they they um because he had done a video about going on a road trip. There's a thing in North Dakota called the Enchanted Highway, which has all these giant metal sculptures. Oh, and he just did like visiting these roadsites attractions. Um, and they did some of it. They like kind of went and did it and made a video about it too. That's cool. I was like, whoa, wait. Yes. Anyway.
SPEAKER_02Oh, cats in the air. Oh my gosh, are you seriously like coming back already? Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's been so fun to air cats on a plane.
SPEAKER_02That's crazy that you're watching like in the air. I know.
SPEAKER_00We're flying through the sky right now.
SPEAKER_02Anyways, hello everybody. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. We're glad to be here. Uh yeah. I was gonna say, hopefully we stick to Friday at 1 p.m. But we have an appointment next Friday that we need to move so we can keep the Friday at 1 p.m.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. I also had another thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What?
SPEAKER_00It's a hockey related thing. Oh. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Audio hotline.
SPEAKER_00I was asked to do something today at 2 p.m. and I said no. I have a I have an unmovable.
SPEAKER_02A hockey thing. I was asked to. Okay, yeah. No.
SPEAKER_00Well.
SPEAKER_02Who was it?
SPEAKER_00Oh, just to play goalie.
SPEAKER_02For what?
SPEAKER_00Uh pickup thing at two. Oh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. See? Couples table, okay?
SPEAKER_00I said no.
SPEAKER_02Good for you, gold star. Okay, so what are we talking about today, Tom?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's a new year. And I think it was about 18 months ago we did an episode of the Couples Table where we were talking about like something's different with YouTube. Something's changing. How do you know there's like an it was in the summertime and it wasn't this past summer? So it had to be the summer before. Um we were talking about like, I think there's a change within YouTube, and something is different, and something is changing, but we didn't know what it was. We couldn't, we're just sort of like recognizing this thing. We couldn't really put our fingers on it. And I still don't know that there's like something to, you know, definitively put a finger on, but I feel like enough time has passed and things have evolved that whatever that was, it wasn't just us feeling that way. There was a greater thing happening, a greater shift that has and is happening, and now we can start to see the effects of that in the type of content that's being created and published and shared, and the types of channels that are um emerging and growing, and the the things people are in a in a large way becoming more interested in, less interested, all that kind of stuff. I think kind of speaks to what we were trying to figure out way back when. And it it seems like it's a cool thing to talk about at the beginning of the year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So that's what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Or not, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02No, like I thought you were gonna lead into the video you sent out.
SPEAKER_00No, I I just sent a link to a video. This just got me thinking of a thing. If you're on our like notification email list.
SPEAKER_02Yes, we do have a mailing list because I know sometimes our time moves. So hopefully it doesn't this year, but we do have a mailing list where we email the day before that the couple of years. Before the morning, yeah, that the couple stables going live with the link. Um, and yesterday Tom included a link to the video.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, there was a video. This topic specifically for this show came about. We were walking our dogs the other day. I had seen a video on YouTube that just sort of popped up in my recommendation. Well, actually, no, this is how this is how YouTube is working now. Like a month ago, a video popped up that was something about like YouTube is changing or YouTube is different or why YouTube feels different. I was like, oh, let me watch this. And it was someone sort of just talking about that. I was like, okay, that's interesting. And since I watched that video, my home is just videos, like a million videos like that, which is fine. It's interesting to hear people's thoughts. And it's this weird combination of videos from like YouTube coaching channels, like how to grow your channel, what what to stop doing to grow your channel in 2024, like those kinds of videos. And then it's also just sort of like people sharing their thoughts, channels of all sizes. I've noticed a lot of the ones being recommended to me about this are from smaller channels, like under a thousand subscribers, sometimes you know, 100, 200 subscribers. Um, but they put out a video about something to do with YouTube changing, and either that one gets recommended or that specific video has like blown up for their channel and gotten, you know, tens of thousands of views or something along those lines. Um and so I watched the other day, one popped up, and for whatever reason, it got me to click on it. I don't know. And it was somebody, it was somebody from South Africa, and they were giving their thoughts on the current like emerging trend of what vlogging looks like in 2024. And it was pretty interesting, and he kind of like cited some examples of current vloggers that I, you know, had never heard of and wasn't familiar with or anything, and what he likes and what's different, and how they're sort of like a you know, because everything in art, pop culture, whatever is like a lot of it is action and reaction or or reaction to something, you know. You have um, you know, I mean it's you even like if you look at movies, you have westerns, then you have space sci-fi, then you you know, you have comedies, you have drama, like everything kind of just goes and reacts to something else. Um, and so for the past several years, the big extreme thing, you know, that even the previous phase of vlogging, especially when it went into like then family vloggers and prank vloggers and those channels that really blew up with millions of subscribers, and everything started getting a little extreme. Then, of course, you know, somebody showed up on the platform and sort of took over the platform and and sort of that that success dictated for so many people how they made their thumbnails, how they made their videos, how they edited things, structured things, and everything just kind of became everything.
SPEAKER_02It like permeated into Instagram and TikTok. Oh gosh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it was all it's based. Well, it's just based so much on spectacle and you know, and you know, extreme things. I have a million of this, I have ten thousand of these, I have this amount of dollars, I'm doing this for this many hours. The biggest, the best, the most, the you know, all that kind of ex hyperbole?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say expletive, so that's not it. That's curse words. What's the word that's like best, worst? Oh, um it's not expletive.
SPEAKER_00It's not the like No, because I used to do this when I taught yearbook. It was the things we do, the superlative? That's the one. Yeah, because I used to call it superlaxative. Not very which would be a very different thing. Um and and and so with that in mind, there has been a shift to people kind of recognizing what we have said with a lot of that stuff where it's like, you know, editing for retention and those sorts of things, like it will get people's attention, but it's like a train wreck in a way. Like, yes, you're gonna look at it. It's not necessarily what you would choose to look at, it's not what you want to be look at looking at. It is eye-catching, it's not what you're going to keep looking at, it's just what you it's just what catches your attention in the moment, but it doesn't stick with you, it doesn't really have any nutritional value. You know, I'm I'm speaking broadly here, and it seems like the reaction to that has been to kind of go in the opposite. Okay, what if something is really more down-to-earth, small scale, sort of like it's funny because genuine small because I remember the word authentic being like the word it was so buzzy that's like it is a buzzword, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, it was so buzzy where no one wanted to say it anymore, but I feel like it everyone stopped saying it and was like editing, you know, it was like it was like tipped the scale so far in the other way.
SPEAKER_00I think in this case too, talking about authentic the way I've seen people discuss it is more about like um it's less about or at least appearing, less about editing and creating videos for an algorithm, for a platform, for whatever, and just sort of making what you want to make. And I think and doing the best you can. Like that doesn't mean sort of I I got this whole negative comment on a video. I used this microphone in a video yesterday. Yes, this is my most recent video, this microphone right here. Tell me these things. Um, and I mean it wasn't a big deal, but it was the whole thing of like, I don't know why these YouTubers need to have a big microphone in their face. What do they think? They're hosting a radio show, like I miss everyone, like I miss things that are simple and authentic. And I actually replied and I tried to be diplomatic, and I was like, like you're equating simplicity and authenticity with low quality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those things it does not have to mean that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just because it's high quality doesn't mean it's not authentic. Inauthentic, yes.
SPEAKER_00Now I know if you're looking at the Mr. Beast world of things when when you have uh essentially a movie crew and a full-on production crew creating something and filming it from 15 different angles and it's scripted out and there's budgets and there's producers, yeah. That's a TV show, right? That you're making. It's it's less than a scripted like, here's my thoughts and my vlog or whatever. And this person might be like, I'm looking for something that's a little more um authentic in terms of not that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh let's see, really quick. Tech Troublemaker says views are changing. More folks watching YouTube as if it is streaming service on their TVs, less editing shorts or long form complete competing against each other. That's funny.
SPEAKER_00I have heard that YouTube on TV is increasing, like I mean it has to be insane amount.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, for us, we have it on 24-7 basically.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Boston and Main Live.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, we literally have two YouTube videos going on in our living room right now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, just live streams, 24-7 live streams.
SPEAKER_02But it's it's funny because like do you notice well? I guess it's different in your world. I was gonna say, do you notice a dip in comments because people are watching on TV?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Comments ebb and flow for me. Sometimes it feels like nothing comes in, and then it's like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02But I feel like in your world people are opinionated. They'll they'll tell you they're this is true. Yeah, so I don't know. Hey Jared, good to see you. Um, I got the email, but I didn't do the reading before class.
SPEAKER_00No, we're I just included the link in case we happened to talk about it, and it was like, oh, there's the video.
SPEAKER_02Rainy Cajun. Love the hoodie, Tom. A hockey fan or just a fan of the colors? Both. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00And I got very lucky that our team had the colors that I just had the perfect colors because.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I can't even I don't think there's a day that goes by in our house where hockey isn't mentioned like a hundred times. Yeah, probably and we have like we have three TVs in our living room, we have multiple hockey games to watch. He plays goalie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, played last night at last.
SPEAKER_02I repoled my back like December 30th. So I've been taking a break, but excited to get back out there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it will come up again on this stream, don't worry.
SPEAKER_02The world's best camera can still record bad content. Love the mic video, bought it from a sound mixer that recommended it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I didn't realize this mic was, I think it was Audio Hotline told me how old this mic was. I I was just like, oh, this mic's brown, it's good. I didn't really look into the history. Um, it's been around for like 15, 16 years now. It's not a new mic.
SPEAKER_02Uh, my wife and I watch Uncle Roger on YouTube every evening at dinner. What's Uncle Roger?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I just like the idea of watching like a YouTube show at dinner every night.
SPEAKER_02I know that's adorable. I live up here in Seattle. Oh. Oh well, our goal is to go to a cracking game.
unknownThe deep.
SPEAKER_02I can't agree more, says Kane. I actually restarted making content again after I stopped caring about the numbers. Yeah. Yeah, so I feel like what's interesting to me is the conversation of creator first and then like numbers. I don't want to even say numbers second, because I watched that video and it's it's not it it it very much seems like the creator is in charge, and it's not like, oh, at 30 seconds in there was a dip, so now we have to do something crazy flashy or something like that to to keep the attention, or it's it's there's no um, you know, there's no coming at fr from that angle. It's just like I'm sitting at my desk, so which angle can really capture like me feeling like I'm in a brainstorming mood or something, or like showing what I'm writing or something like that. And I I feel like you know, the those questions are things that YouTube can't inform. It's that's the that's the artist, that's the creator like making those decisions, which is I I think a really good thing. Like I think that's a really good thing if people are responding to that, that's starting to um I don't know. I think it's exciting that that is becoming popular on YouTube because I mean, isn't that wasn't that the whole point, right? Like that's why we all joined YouTube.
SPEAKER_00Broadcast yourself. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But it'll be interesting to see, I don't know. We'll see.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, I mean, it it's so specifically the video I talked about is talking about like a new wave of vlogging, and it kind of like and that seems to be the type of content creators that they were talking about specifically. Um, which is funny because also, in a way, at the point it's it seems like it's re-inspiring people or even a new generation of people to try things, pick up stuff. There was also, you know, there's also been a lot of talk, especially the beginning of this year, a lot of longtime YouTubers like Tom Scott and Matt Pad and some others.
SPEAKER_02A lot of people are retiring.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, stepping back, taking breaks, retiring, all that kind of stuff, just calling it quits after many years. And it's I think I saw a discussion where a lot of people were were asking, you know, oh, the what's happening with the platform? It's like I don't think the platform is really doing anything. I think these people finished. Like a lot of them did it for 10 plus years. They built businesses and companies and they're just kind of done, you know, and they're stepping away stepping down, and then new people show up who are who are now looking to get started and to make it.
SPEAKER_02See, that's what makes me excited because I feel like I think we're at the point where uh I mean many of us here, even in the chat, have been doing YouTube for years. Like we've all we've, you know, you as YouTube creators, definitely as YouTube viewers, we've we've been a part of YouTube for for so many trends that have come and gone. And I think like this is this is interesting to me because it's like, okay, uh the thing that was supposed to be the way that you were supposed to make a YouTube video, like if this is a you have to do this, like how you know, well, you're not gonna do that. Of course you're gonna do it this way, is now not relevant, right?
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and it's it's like a senior class graduating in a freshman class coming in, and it's like it's there's a there's an innate shift when that happens and you can't avoid it. Yeah, and what's funny too is like this new thing, like, oh, this is what YouTube is now. Give it a couple years, and it's not even something else will show up.
SPEAKER_02But it's exciting to me because it's like I I think it's a fun thing when um it's like a wait and see, you know, it's like an experimental phase.
SPEAKER_00I appreciate I I appreciate where it seems like people are coming from, where it's creator first and it's yeah, it's like I'm excited to see what everyone comes up with. To see what other people come up with. Now, as it gains popularity, as it inspires people, and more time goes on, it's gonna have like that Peter McKinnon effect where it's like, wow, this guy's doing something amazing. Maybe I could do a little of that. And then you know, six months to a year later, everything is exactly just that. So the thing, you know, by the time you even start noticing it and start seeing it, it's kind of already hit a trend, it's hit that critical mass where now it's it's going to, you know, kind of permeate things, and then people will get tired of it, and there will be a reaction to that that kind of goes in another direction, um, which is just sort of how these things always work in every medium. So it's not like, you know, there is no finish line, it's just sort of, oh, this is kind of what's happening now. But it's interesting, you know, it's it's this.
SPEAKER_02I see, I think that's what it is. There is no finish line, and I feel like so much of the conversation when it comes to being a YouTube creator is like, how do I get to that finish line that feels so far? But it's like, well, what if what if it's just this and it's just you making videos because you find that fun and you are excited to share what you want to share about? And like, how could you continue to do that because you find that fun? And that's it, right? Like, if it goes crazy, it goes crazy. But um yeah, that's kind of what that guy was saying in that video is like I I don't have to be like the biggest Mr. Beast, but um that doesn't mean that because that doesn't mean that because you're not pursuing like being this huge YouTuber your story isn't worth sharing your art, your you know, whatever you create. Yeah. Anyway. Uh 990 is from 2007. Was that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's crazy. That's his microphone.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm about to buy one of those.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's a kit that comes with a pencil condenser, which is very interesting. I didn't know about that.
SPEAKER_02Uh so Heather, when are you restarting the weekly creator check-in? That is a very good question. Uh I'm scared to put a date. But I think what's gonna happen is I'm going to because I could take the approach of like, okay, guys, we're gonna plan all this and it's gonna be perfect. Or we just go. I'm leaning towards like go and build it as as I go. So hopefully sooner rather than later. I I I'll say for now for sure before February.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. I was gonna say 2024.
SPEAKER_02No, yeah, no, for sure. Uh Tech Troublemaker says, a changing of the guard, so to speak. New voices will be heard as old voices retire.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and there's always a weird thing where the way things are, when you become aware of something, you join something, you start something, you know, whether it's a job you start, a platform you pay attention to, whatever, that sort of feels like how it should be and the right way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then as it changes over time, it's it almost feels like ah, things are changing and they're different. But for new people who are just coming in at that moment, they don't know. That feels like the right way and how it is because that's what they were interested in.
SPEAKER_02That's what they see. Yeah. Um, Kat says, Matt Diavella's recent video is very interesting about going back to being a solo YouTube creator and letting go of his team.
SPEAKER_00That was interesting. I haven't watched it's funny because yeah, speaking to his point, I haven't watched one of his videos in like two and a half years.
SPEAKER_02Ever since he got the team.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I was like, I was interested in this guy making these, especially these really high-quality videos in his you know apartment and just try to figure it out. And then it's like, oh, you have a giant team of people putting content together. I just lost interest.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's so it's so subtle. Like it's not an intentional I'm not, I'm going to unsubscribe. It's just like before you know it, weeks have gone by and you haven't seen a video.
SPEAKER_00Which is it's funny because it doesn't mean it's it's not the team thing, because I always think of like MKBHD.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, who has it?
SPEAKER_00Who proudly has a giant studio on a team, and I think he's amazing. And I think it's I don't know what it is, but the way he's like weathered every YouTube transition, yeah, every era, every trend. And I think it's just also him. He is the personality, but he's also like he's he's still actively involved. I think a lot of people do kind of just become the script reader, so it's like you see someone's channel, it's them, they're making their videos, they get Their team, and eventually they're not even the ones necessarily writing or scripting anything. They're not the ones editing everything. They're not the one even necessarily deciding on the topic. They're just the host at that point. And so even though it looks like the same person sitting in front of the camera, maybe even in the same background, something's off because it's not their video anymore. And I think that some creators like Marquez Brownlee are really good at incorporating a team where it feels like a Marquez Brownley video or an MKBHD video, if that's like the brand, whether or not he was the one who wrote every word of the script or didn't, even though I know he is very hands-on still with like the whole process, versus somebody else that's almost not necessarily hiding those things, but kind of downplaying the you know, like, oh yeah, I'm hiring a team, but nothing's gonna change. Nothing's gonna change. It will change. Something has to change. It just is right.
SPEAKER_02Uh Ob says February is the favorite month because her birthday is on the 9th, and because that's when you had the accident that almost killed you, but you're alive.
SPEAKER_00So it's like a second birthday.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, oh, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and this this year you get a longer February.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Leap year.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, leap into live.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Uh so okay. So we're talking about how like YouTube has maybe going through some changes, which is I think can be scary. Change is always scary, but I always see it as like room for opportunity. See, I'm still confused on where to look. I'm still so confused. Am I looking at my hair? Am I looking at the my I don't know, the sparkly light? Uh how are you or are you like factoring in any of this when it comes to your channel and your content and your creative? Like how how have you had any thoughts in terms of like bye 2023, hello 2024, here's how I'm gonna try to do things, you know?
SPEAKER_00Based on like trends and stuff?
SPEAKER_02No, just like sure, or like, you know, have you changed anything or are you changing anything with a new year?
SPEAKER_00No. Uh the thing, well, the thing that I learned last year, which we talked about, was like it was very I'm saying it was helpful to sort of tear apart my whole system and re-examine how I do things, although I'm still kind of recovering from that. Um, and it caused also a lot of problems. But what it did teach me was to embrace that and to like confidently embrace the way I want to do things, how I need to do things, regardless of if it's trendy or not, or cool or not, or whatever. Because it's it's anyone can, you know, make one video that like here's everything I need to do to make a video that has all these ingredients or whatever. But it's like, okay, can you make 500 or a thousand? Can you keep doing this for the foreseeable future indefinitely? That's when things get really tricky and really sort of strange. And yeah, you have to be doing what works for you in order for that to happen. And maybe if anything, you know, it's felt like it's felt like people have been contorting themselves to try to fit this other thing for so long, and now there's a there's a larger conversation and acceptance about not doing that, not twisting yourself into a pretzel to make things work anymore, and people are accepting that.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that even goes back to when Kat was our guest talking about the Enneagram and like how everyone does how everyone should do YouTube differently.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Based on, you know, your personality and your preferences and however you like to do things.
SPEAKER_00Which is what so I have not changing anything because that's how I've been approaching it since the beginning, but I have felt guilty and I felt like I'm doing something wrong for a long time, especially the past several years, and now it's nice to sort of feel like embracing in a way it's almost like a I told you so. It's like empowering, it is empowering, and it's yeah, so that's that's sort of it. It's like nothing is changing, but there's a nice reaffirmation of yeah, say the course kind of thing. Because that's the only way that I could keep doing it. Otherwise, yeah, I'll make five more videos, then I'll be done forever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and that's not that doesn't work. We don't want that, yeah. Yeah. Uh let's see. Bark and I actually just talked about something similar on our pod. It's interesting how much getting bigger on YouTube changes people. Sometimes the channels are unrecognizable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and people oftentimes, which maybe is like someone like Marquez Brownley, maybe their strength when they go from recording in their dorm room to working with a writer and an editor and a team, they sort of acknowledge and embrace those changes and incorporate them rather than try to downplay or hide them. And I think some people refuse to acknowledge the change because they don't, like they don't want to admit that it's happening or they're worried about messing with their channel or whatever. And by the time the channel becomes this unrecognizable thing that everyone's like, this isn't the same, but the the creator at the heart of it is like, no, it's exactly the same. Um, people are just dumb and they don't get it, it's like it it just changed. It like, you know, it's like it's like a stand-up comedian who, when they're just starting out and they're broke and young, a lot of their jokes are very like down-to-earth real life because it's like what a broke 22-year-old is dealing with trying to like figure out life. But now when they're 47 years old and they have tens of millions of dollars and they've been successful for decades, it's kind of hard to write those same jokes about like, wow, this crazy thing at the grocery store with the coupon machine, right? Like, it doesn't, it just doesn't hit the same way. And it's like, I don't know, some people know how to adapt and roll with those types of changes, and others don't or won't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh Mike says, hello everyone, afraid I was gonna miss it. I feel like YouTube's constantly evolving, but glad there are pathways still open uh to stay true to what you want to do as a creator. I think it's opening up even more.
SPEAKER_00I feel like it's moving in a positive direction.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, especially like so. I think I think my impression is that there isn't I think if you were to ask people like say a year or two ago, maybe even last year, like what is a archetype of a YouTube person, and they would think Mr. Beast, they would think of a Mr. Beast video or TikTok for some reason.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh but I think now, like even the in the conversations where people talk about YouTube videos, it's like, oh, I saw this YouTube video of this, I saw this YouTube video of this, and it's all from creators and channels I've never heard of, like even more. And I I feel like leaning into that those little like specializations of you know, I think we're at a point where it's gonna be someone who is creating something so I hate saying this word, but so niche of like it it's only something you can do because of your perspective and your experience and your weird, I don't know, obsession with this thing that's gonna create that channel that everyone gravitates to. The way that I've been telling myself about it, as I am also like approaching both this channel and my tutorial channel now is I'm thinking of it as like YouTube is a place where you can throw your own party and you're the host of this party, and you can decide like everything from who's coming and you know what activities there's gonna be, and like what food you're serving, and you know, like you get to dictate like the entertainment and like the activities that people do and stuff like that. And I just love that idea. Like that that is so me. That's so my like I get excited thinking about like oh my gosh, and then we could do this and then this and this, and that's where I come with my best ideas. And I think like I feel like that's such a fun place to be in when you're like, oh my gosh, we could do this, and like what if we tried this and what if we tried this? I feel like that's like a I don't know, it's like a fun, it's a fun creative process. It is, and it's versus like here's the rubric. Well, it's like imagine you have to make sure at like 10 seconds there's gotta be this or whatever.
SPEAKER_00Imagine if there's like five houses and each is throwing a party and it's all the exact same party. Like you would go to one and then that's it, right? Like versus like this house is having a costume party, this one's having a murder mystery party, this one's having a disco, like whatever. And it's like someone would go to the costume party and be like, I don't like costume parties, which is fine. Doesn't mean costume parties are bad, doesn't mean everyone hates them, doesn't mean that person shouldn't be throwing the costume party.
SPEAKER_02Doesn't mean that yeah, doesn't mean that it's wrong, doesn't mean it's not the way that should be done. It's just that like now go through your own party.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, or go, you know, there's other ones too, and you could go to that one, you really love that one. And I might not want to go to that one, but I really like this one. Like, and that's yeah, I feel like no one feels guilty because yes, they throw a certain type of party, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah, because I can even think back to like you know, creator meetups where it was like it like it was, I don't know, it was so clear that like everyone did it this like had the same approach. And I I I actually want to go to some kind of like many events this year. I'd love to go to VidCon to kind of like test this. Tom and I were even talking a couple weeks ago. I was like, I want to go to every creator event this year just because I'm so curious of like what the conversation is because it feels like there is so much change. I I just want to know, like, I want to take a pulse and I want to be there and see what everyone's talking about. But like before it felt like here's the way that you're supposed to do it, and now I feel like this is what my channel's about. What's your channel about? Cool, that's awesome. And we can like that. Doesn't mean I need to change, you don't need to change, like we're just doing it our own way, and that's cool. You know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's what kind of party do you throw? I throw this kind of party, yeah, and that's I think that's cool.
SPEAKER_02Uh Drew is here. Hello, hello. Uh, let's see. Thanks to both of you. I set my office up so I can make a video every day. Y'all both encourage me to just do it. I love that.
SPEAKER_00You should copyright that slogan.
SPEAKER_02Okay, honestly, I was at the gym and I was like, you know, because I've been on this, like, this is the the year of action. I'm just gonna do it, just do it, you know. And then I looked over at my backpack and it just said, just do it.
SPEAKER_00I was like, Yeah, backpack.
SPEAKER_02Kat says, uh, it was also fascinating to see what happened with channel makers in the summer. Ooh, what happened?
SPEAKER_00I actually don't know about this.
SPEAKER_02Seemed like a single person, but was a team.
SPEAKER_00Hmm, I didn't know about that one.
SPEAKER_02Channel makers is the dude with curly hair, right? Can't remember.
SPEAKER_00I don't remember.
SPEAKER_02But I remember he was one of the ones that like curly hair? Kinda?
SPEAKER_00Messy hair?
SPEAKER_02Yes, what I said.
SPEAKER_00No, I know.
SPEAKER_02I'm trying to He was one of the like the new the new like wave of YouTube uh coaches.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I'll have to have to do some digging there. Uh see you later, Bailey. I do want to thank you, Bailey. He put together on my channel supported message board and you know, my like private message board thing I put together. Bailey put together like all these docs on every resource for like links for my live streams, videos, whatever. Yeah, so it's it's super cool for me and anyone else who like you know during chats when someone asks you know frequently asked question or uh whatever, it's like here's everything you need to handle that. Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_02Very cool. Thanks for doing that. Uh Mike says it's like restaurants, different styles, Italian, Mexican fast food, steakhouse restaurants, different structure, different folks, and we all love to mix it up with where we go to.
SPEAKER_00Even an easier way, yeah. Just because like someone doesn't like Italian food doesn't mean that an Italian restaurant is wrong.
SPEAKER_02It just it just feels so obvious that I was it really not this way this whole time. I think it always has been this way, but the I know for sure it wasn't at the last VidCon, but that was a while ago. And I'm trying to think like during the pandemic.
SPEAKER_00I think if the under all the noise, it has always been this way because it can only be this way. It's the only way anything can work.
SPEAKER_02Now we're just getting real philosophical.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, because it gets layered on top with like you were saying, people want to get to the finish line, they want to know the answer, they don't want to keep being in this discovery phase, they want to crack the code, get the answer, here it is. But it changes, it's a moving target that evolves and changes all the time.
SPEAKER_02And yeah, well, it's also like what is the target? Right? I think like I think that's the conversation too, because it's like, you know, I think people would cringe at the saying, if you're not growing, you're dying. No, that's what it was before. Like that was I mean, every workshop and seminar was that. Yeah. And I feel like now it's like you know, what what what are we even doing if if that's what it is, and and there's nothing wrong with people who do that, because again, I do feel like there are um professional content creators that that that literally it's they're just there to create content, which is awesome. But you know, in terms of approaching this from uh an art and an outlet perspective, um, that's where I think it's different.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's I lost my thought.
SPEAKER_02So did I something must have blown through that wind in here or something. Michael says costume party is the content creator that has a different YouTube personality.
SPEAKER_00There we go.
SPEAKER_02Uh eCamp Creator Camp. Yes. I want to go to all the things. I just want to go to all the things.
SPEAKER_00And uh Tech Troublemaker says, I'm walking and thinking, listening to different audiobooks and communication, creativity, and mindset, but not about content creation specifically. My imagination is thriving because of this.
SPEAKER_02Dude, I read 25 books last year. Well, I think I read more than that, but like in three months I read 25 books and none of them were content creation. Nothing, not even.
SPEAKER_00You'll pull so much good stuff from other places.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, it was so. Are you okay?
SPEAKER_00I just suddenly had like the biggest yawn. I don't know. Is there like a carbon monoxide leak in here or something?
SPEAKER_02Like, you want some coffee?
SPEAKER_00No, I don't.
SPEAKER_02He doesn't want the coffee.
SPEAKER_00It's been it was a long night, and then I had to get up bright and early and go to the dentist, and I'm out of here.
SPEAKER_02Tom was at the hockey ring until like midnight.
SPEAKER_00I know, and then I'd wake up and go to the friggin' dentist for like the 15th time in a year.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So anyway, um I I like that I see, I feel like that's the conversation too. Like, there isn't just the one way, there's not the one book. It's it's kind of a cool thing that everyone has a different background, and you know, you're you're pulling different sources of inspiration, and I think that's I feel like that is embraced. I don't know where I'm getting that feeling from.
SPEAKER_00No, I feel that too, because I think maybe the platform just people acknowledge that the platform is so big there can't be one way to do it. Or obviously like it just doesn't work when everything tries to get smushed into the same funnel. And it's like not even that that funnel's bad, it's just not everything should be that. So it's like as much as as much kind of crap as I talk about the Mr. B style of doing things, there's nothing wrong with that. It's it's a perfectly fine, legitimate way of doing things. It's when everything felt like it needed to be that, it became too much. Uh, which isn't even him, he's not even the one telling people to do that. If anything, he's telling people don't do this. Right. Uh, but you know, it's you know, people see what's at the top and they replicate whatever's at the top.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like I remember, oh my gosh, so much of the advice was go to the YouTube trending page, and how could you make your YouTube channel more like what you see on the trending page? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's like be the tonight show. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Well, that and like, but are we trying to get on the YouTube trending page? Right. Is that even your goal? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Is that a sign of success? Is that a sign of and then you see the stuff that you know pops up there and it's like sometimes there's just complete outliers that make no sense. How do you think?
SPEAKER_02I think it's like it's also like there there's just, you know, yeah, the tonight the tonight show, or I don't know, I don't even know what's I haven't looked at the turning page, but like I don't even know how to find it. I feel like I couldn't I couldn't be whatever's at the top, even if I tried. Like, you know, I I would assume that there are some people there who who who do the basically um you know scripted reality TV, which is cool. Like that's fine.
SPEAKER_00One restaurant, you know, it's one restaurant to go to.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Totally fine. We just don't want every restaurant to be that restaurant.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. I I feel like maybe it's the YouTube viewer is also um recognizing that they can find there's an unlimited amount of channels.
SPEAKER_00Well, the discussion I've seen so much, especially on the videos about like is YouTube changing and whatever, is um people sort of recognizing that they've just been watching a lot less of it lately, even though the platform is growing. YouTube? Yeah, platform YouTube is growing as a whole, but a lot of people are like, yeah, I just haven't watched even me. Like, I don't watch nearly as much as I used to, kind of because you just sort of like, okay, I'm tired, like everything is just sort of the same thing, and I want to see a thing that doesn't feel like that. And you know, sometimes I don't want to yeah, so I just go read something or you know, play video games.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh Drew says, I've never followed any guiding rules for either of my YouTube channels. All I've ever followed is the rule of Am I having fun and exploring different interests?
SPEAKER_00That's a very good rule.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Kimbucha is in the house. Happy Friday. Oh no, copy's here too. Channel makers was the guy with curly hair.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02He left and started his own channel. His name is Nate. I thought that was his own channel.
SPEAKER_00I thought that was his own, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh, Nate Black left Channel Makers and has his own channel. I thought that was.
SPEAKER_00I thought that was his own channel, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it wasn't.
SPEAKER_00I guess not.
SPEAKER_02Uh oh here. Channel makers was Nate Black, and everyone thought it was his channel, but he was hired by a company to run it.
SPEAKER_00Oh. See, that's that's that's weird. That's weird. That's weird. I don't like that. Well, I mean, unless he I mean There's nothing wrong with being hired by a company to run a channel. Yeah, but like why are we all why are we all under the impression?
SPEAKER_02But again, that's I'm so curious what the reception was to that. Like, were people confused, mad?
SPEAKER_00Well, that's the thing, is like w it's I don't like that feeling of like, wait, I thought this was something and it's not. You know, it's like finding out a band doesn't write their own song. It's like you're still great musicians, you still put on a great show, but like I thought you were sharing something you created with me, but it's not.
SPEAKER_02TJ Lovelady says, I don't understand YouTube anymore. Seems like the algo wants to anticipate what the viewer wants to watch versus allowing the viewer to craft their viewing experience. Subscribers seems not seem to not matter.
SPEAKER_00That kind of sounds accurate to me.
SPEAKER_02I think subscribers is getting less and less relevant.
SPEAKER_00Uh I think YouTube's even better.
SPEAKER_02Because like I mean, yeah, I mean they've said it, I've heard them say this multiple times that uh just because someone just because you subscribe to a channel doesn't mean that you watch all the videos. Because what if someone is putting out, you know, you're subscribed to a hundred channels and they're all putting out content.
SPEAKER_00But this is also where YouTube does the thing where they like talk with talk out both sides of their mouths. That's the expression. Yeah. Because it's like, oh, subscribers aren't the metric that matters, so I ever watch the video, so we look at you know, view duration, all these other things. Okay, that's fine. Um if somebody doesn't watch a couple, I don't know what the number is, but if you don't watch a couple videos from a channel a while, it just won't pop up in your subscription feed anymore, even if you're subscribed to it. And sometimes I go through my subscription feed and I'm like, oh my gosh, I thought this channel stopped making videos. No, they make two videos every week. I just haven't seen any in six months because I, for whatever reason, didn't watch any for a while. Okay, fine. Subscribers don't matter, but then things get taken away. And then YouTube, if you notice, if you ever have a video that does well, it will say, uh, your subscribers are watching this video, helping to increase its reach. Okay. So you're saying this group of people doesn't matter, but they're the group of people you're using to determine how the video performs, but you're not sharing the video to everyone because you like, which is it? Do they not matter, or are you literally basing every decision on their behavior? Because as a YouTube creator, through YouTube Studio and the dashboard, you get told both things, and it's that's where it's like, and I know YouTube is a giant company and they have different teams that literally sometimes I don't think talk to each other, and so both things are happening at the same time because they don't even realize it. It's very frustrating.
SPEAKER_02Rant. Uh Rainy Cajun says, channel makers versus think media thoughts.
SPEAKER_00Um I well now I don't know. I haven't watched either in a long time, but I was liking channel makers because I liked his um I like the way he explained things. And he kind of broke down, he was good at taking what seemed to be relevant topics and breaking them down interesting, interestingly. Think media is sort of like the um I don't know what the the term is, but the thing that's been around a long time is like everyone who has a YouTube channel for any length of time has probably benefited from a think media video at some point.
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if not for Sean Cannell. Like he was my first YouTube coach back in 2016.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But I do, I I will say for me, when I look up something and a think media video pops up, I actively avoid it now because I feel like their approach is I know that they're not approaching it the same way I'm approaching it. So it's like I kind of don't even want the advice. That's just me, though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think like um My thing with channel my thing with channels like channelmakers and think media is that I do think that there is there are some fundamentals that um everyone should know about YouTube. Are we lagging? I feel like we're lagging.
SPEAKER_00Us? Oh we are lag.
SPEAKER_02Is it lagging on your end?
SPEAKER_00Hello. Yeah, we're like really lagging. On us, we look very glitchy.
SPEAKER_02Uh well, okay, so let me finish this thought. Um I feel like there are fundamentals to doing YouTube, to being on camera, to live streaming, to editing, to uploading. Like I feel, you know, creating thumbnails. I feel like there are fundamentals that every YouTube creator should know. You kind of have to like speak the language. But the part where the part that I feel like isn't that people may not be aware of, especially if you're new and then you come in and you only watch these channels, is that there should be a graduation, right? Like it's like painting. Like, yes, you you have you have to learn the the basics and the fundamentals of painting, but you're it's through creating that you find your voice, your style, your you know, the thing that makes you you. And I think when like the reason why I stopped watching those videos is like, you know, a lot of it is based on things that like it like messes with my creative vibe because it makes me feel like oh I have to do that, but then like you know, it's like so that's why it's like I feel like you should know there is a uh like how to tell a story through video, like you have to kind of learn how to do that. Um but then from there I feel like you know it if like you can't really learn how to throw your party by by like going to the party expert, right? Because then you just make that party. You need to go do what you find fun, right? Like if you could throw your own party, how would you how would you do it, right? If you can make your own YouTube channel, like how would you do it? But obviously, like there are kind of just like rules you need to know or guidelines, I guess.
SPEAKER_00It's fun to avoid reinventing wheels that exist for reasons. Yeah, but exactly. Like so learning to ice skate, you want to go back to hockey and ice skating and stuff. There are plenty of times when I go and have gone over the past year wanting to learn how to do something and focus on something, sign up for class, take lessons, watch a bunch of YouTube videos and want to go implement those things. There's other times when I've gone to the rink and I kind of am just goofing around and having fun. And like I don't really care what I'm doing. And it's it's funny because sometimes people with very good intentions, just like you know, the think media of the ice skating rink, you're over there just kind of doing your own thing, and they'll show up and say, Hey, this is how you need to do this sort of move or this kind of pass or this sort of catch or this sort of whatever. And it's like, cool.
SPEAKER_02I'm sandboxing right now.
SPEAKER_00That's not what I'm doing right now, and and then you know, you were just sort of doing kind of doing your own thing, having fun, and now it's like, no, no, no, do it this way. No, no, no, do it this way, no, do it this way. Why you're not doing it that way. It's like I'm it's like not what I came here for, though, right now. But there are other times when you do come here for that, and it's sort of the same thing. There are times when you want to know, hey, what are some of the foundational things I should be aware of? Let me, you know, not dig myself into a hole unintentionally, and hey, what are you know some things I I don't want to pay attention to that right now? I want to do my own thing. And I'm sorry, I was so distracted. I don't know if my NDI camera pop up here.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's where it is. I was like trying to find it on my stream the other day. Is it this one?
SPEAKER_00Uh maybe freaking cannot see right now. I don't think so. What I was trying to show a thing that's happening.
SPEAKER_02Oh, scene locked, hold up. We got we can do this.
SPEAKER_00I was just trying to show a thing.
SPEAKER_02It's not this one.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it is this one. Okay. Yes, so we are here there, and this whole there's Heather, hello. And this whole time Heather was talking of this whole thing, our giant 80-pound golden retriever was navigating, jumping up on this thing here, and he was just sort of standing over here, and I was like, That's why he was like he never goes up there and he was like up and walking around and saying it was adorable, but I was like so distracted by it.
SPEAKER_02Uh, I went to VidCon Baltimore with my 11-year-old nephew on the fan side. It was a nice experience in terms of community, safety, and come any other, but I didn't participate on the creator side.
SPEAKER_00That sounds cool though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, I'm very interested to go to VidCon. I want to go this year. I liked attending Vid Summit 2022, but when it came to signing up for 2023, I never pulled the trigger. I'm curious. I'll be open.
SPEAKER_00I'm open to all of it. Because you're not even as interested in like the conference as the crowd.
SPEAKER_02I want to know what everyone's talking about. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like you want to feel the vibe. Like, what is how are we all feeling? I want to soak it all in.
SPEAKER_02I'm not like before I I felt like I would go to these things to fill out your notebooks and yeah. Like I felt like I was the beginner in the audience and I need like I needed to I'm learning, right? So I can go apply. And now it's more of like a journalist. I want, I wanna, I need I'm doing research, you know. It's like interviewing, it's like, what are people talking about? And then studying wildlife. Yes. Anyway, uh, let's see. Yes, going to the dentist sucks. Everyone agrees with you.
SPEAKER_00I don't know any psychopath who loves it.
SPEAKER_02Content prints. I miss these lives. Didn't see one in a long time. I'm happy to found this back this year. I hope you were having fun. I think Alex Hormozy did the YouTube change from a man in closet to Mr. Beast.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that sounds interesting.
SPEAKER_02Really? Uh, Mr. Beast in the business category, however, the change worked. Even those of us who stopped watching or felt bad at the start, we couldn't resist coming back because the content value got even better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There we go.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah. Uh, and Ben wants a recreation hockey league reality show, which is basically happening because he has an Instagram account, and Tom has been having a lot of fun doing like the YouTube skills, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Mounting Go for like last night. In my goal like you're like filming a thing, putting mics on players and stuff, and it's it's I'm going to vlog his uh like what's in his hockey bag. I've been putting together, it's been kind of fun to develop like this. Okay, what is a like mobile hockey setup where I can do photos and videos, but also potentially throw it all away and then play, you know, like not have to like I played last night, but I also took photos and videos.
SPEAKER_02I know you didn't that's funny. Ono coffee says those gurus who keep saying subscribers don't matter have forgotten what it's like to fight to get monetization, right?
SPEAKER_00And and there is it, and then there's also the the thing unfair as it may be, where it's like it is just a it's an easy metric for the average person to see.
SPEAKER_02Like yeah, like for a viewer, you know. Is that what you're talking about?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like oh this someone who doesn't this channel has 10 subscribers, this channel has 10,000 subscribers. Like, oh, I'll go to the 10,000 one because you know, it's just that this thing has this many reviews, this has more reviews, like I'll go to the one with more.
SPEAKER_02Um, so we're lagging, but our audio is still there.
SPEAKER_00Okay, as long as the audio is still good, I guess that's the most important thing.
SPEAKER_02Um, so one of our one of my big goals is to get Ethernet this year in this office because the Wi-Fi, like I don't know, whatever it is, bank is on the other side of the house.
SPEAKER_00But in my office, it's like we put them in here, it just doesn't matter. This is just a dead zone.
SPEAKER_02We just yeah, anyway. Um, last year they felt very snoik snake snoik snake oil sellers, but slowly they are getting back to basics, it feels like. Um, TJ says exactly as a creator, I believe reach matters most. If subs never see my stuff, they won't watch unless they seek out my content. Yeah. Um, as a viewer, I want to see what's out there, but tend to forget the click on the subscription tab, so I end up watching what YouTube thinks I want to watch.
SPEAKER_00I see. Yeah. The subscription, it's almost in my mind, it's almost like a bookmark now. Like, oh, remember, I like this channel.
SPEAKER_02I hope something that is a name I haven't heard in a while. Lately, I've been enjoying learning about YouTube from Nick Niman.
SPEAKER_00Nick and D, I I like their approaches because they're pretty experienced but down to earth.
SPEAKER_02And they're I would not have used that word to describe Nick Niman.
SPEAKER_00Down to earth?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_02But I don't know. I I could be wrong. Um D, I D was the one that you like did some streams with, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we we've been on streams together at some point, I think. But yeah, I mean we we've talked about it.
SPEAKER_02I I haven't like maybe it's different now, which I would be interested to see, but I felt like Nick was very much like uh was like here's like what Mr. Beast is doing, so you need to try to do that. I could be totally wrong.
SPEAKER_00I feel like there was this is just my feelings as a viewer. I felt there was almost like a world weariness that set in, and then it was like, okay, here's how it is. Like here's how it actually is helpful.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, I agree, it's like high school. Once you graduate, you don't need to go back.
SPEAKER_00Definitely not.
SPEAKER_02Uh Drew says the thought that you want to learn something but don't want to learn to imitate someone else's thing has been huge for me. It's the main reason I've never gone to school for photography. Yeah, it's hard because it's like you want to learn the basics, but you don't want to read plenty of books and watch plenty of videos on different genres of photography instead. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So going back to hockey, because there's so many analogies, and it's learning something new. It's like the new thing that I've been learning this year. Uh, learning to play goalie. There's sort of best practices, there's ways to play, there's positions you need to be in, there's like ways you track the puck and stuff. But something I've read and learned is goalies in the past, especially like the 90s, 80s, 70s, and earlier, they had there were no goalie coaches, there were no YouTube channels, there was nothing. It was kind of like you strap these pads on and you just try to stop this puck. And people are different sizes, they move in different ways, they have different styles. And if you look at like the way you know NHL goalies played in the the 90s and earlier, everybody was like really different, and it really changed the way their teams are. And now like the athleticism seems to be higher, the skill level even seems to be higher. But it's it's literally like this is how you do this move. When the puck is here, you're in this position. You're in this position, which is a more calculated, like accurate approach to play, but it also you can kind of see like a lot of people, it almost looks like the same person playing, like which takes an insane amount of skill and whatever, but it's like that idea of it's like this is the way that you do it, maybe because it has been proven over a hundred years to be the way to do it, but but then you see stuff whenever somebody does pop up, like Joey DuCord, who kind of has their own little style and does things a little differently, it makes a big splash because it's like, wait a minute, this is not what other people are doing, and then and then other players don't even know how to handle it because they're like, wait, this isn't what everybody else does, and it it throws things off. So it's like you want to learn the basics, you want to learn the foundations, you want to build your skill set, but you don't want to just be a carbon copy of everything else either. Always a delicate balance in anything.
SPEAKER_02Uh TJ says, I kind of feel like even if you two put online for channels you subscribe to on the homepage, it would at least give us creators a chance to be great. I thought they do. I thought I I thought it says, like I thought there was a row that was like from your subscriptions.
SPEAKER_00There might be.
SPEAKER_02It'd be nice if they actually actually know there is because that's where I uh when I pull up our channel every morning, it says like recommended, and then under that it says from channels you're subscribed to or whatever.
SPEAKER_00Put up another tab that says, Do you still want to say show me videos from all of my subscribe channels? If I'm not watching from a while, instead of not doing it, do a little thing a lot of YouTube. Like, here's five channels you haven't seen in a while. Do you want to say subscribe to them or not?
SPEAKER_02Oh, I like that.
SPEAKER_00So I'm still seeing every video from every channel. But every so often it's like, oh, conscious thing. Yeah, that's right. I don't like that channel. I'm not into that. They haven't posted a video in three years, like, whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so uh last summer I unsubscribed, unfollowed a thousand accounts on Instagram. Just I I I told myself, like, I will probably reconnect with a lot of these people and accounts and brands and stuff like that. But I was like, I want it, I want to like redo it, like reintroduce. So I only kept like yeah, I only kept like I don't know, 200 people. And then I was like, I'll just re-follow. But it was nice to it's nice to do it now because there's so many accounts that I followed like five years ago that are so just like, oh yeah, I kind of don't really need to see you in my feed. Yeah, but it'd be cool, it'd be cool where it's like, yes, I do want to stay subscribed, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like a vow renewal, subscription renewal.
SPEAKER_02Um, I love this. Heather the creator anthropologist. Um, cons. Of all the cons I've been to, the people video is the best because of the small crowd and personal interaction with the speakers. It was like hanging out with friends. I don't know. I can see that. I can see that. That's October, right? Well, we are going to NAB. Everyone here is going to NAB in April.
SPEAKER_00I gotta get tickets. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02In Vegas. It's happening. Okay, so everyone, we will see you there. Um, what's sports ball?
SPEAKER_00Just sports in general.
SPEAKER_02Oh, oddly enough, I've been ignoring videos with crazy high views unless it's someone I'm subscribed to in an attempt to and trying to get YouTube to recommend more smaller channels to me. Oh, you know what I'm like really diligent at is if a video accidentally autoplays on my YouTube, I go to my history and I remove it. Because I don't want YouTube to like factor that in.
SPEAKER_00Interesting. Yeah, you're good at that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. The vid of Tom Mike up at the goal was awesome. More please.
SPEAKER_00I tried to record one last night, but your pro YouTube boy over here positioned the GoPro where the suction cup mount is like in the middle of the frame. So I don't I don't know. I might still try to put something together and just put it on like a story or something, but it's like, oh, it sucks. I can't like you can't even see what's happening.
SPEAKER_02Wait, POV isn't not is done?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I think it's creator camp now.
SPEAKER_02Oh that's what they're saying down below. Oh, POV is placed with Ecamp Creator Camp. Oh well, that's the one that's happening then. Uh Tech Troublemaker, how does it feel when YouTube suggests your own videos to you? Do you get your own videos?
SPEAKER_00It's weird. Sometimes the part the thing I like, which happens sometimes, is I'll see a thumbnail be like, oh, what's oh, it's mine. But I'm like interested in it. I'm like, hey!
SPEAKER_02You're not in the thumbnail.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's usually like a product or something. Like, oh, I want to see that. Wait, never mind. And I'm like, yes, YouTube, I do like this video.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, mine are, it's funny, mine are always like it's almost like Facebook memories. Because it's always it's always a super old video of, you know, I don't even have purple hair, and it's like, oh, sweet summer child.
SPEAKER_00Two does it for me sometimes because if people, if people like leave a comment where they go, like, hey, you know, like how do you do this or whatever? And I have made a video about it, sometimes I'll just go to to YouTube and type like Tom Buck, how to connect two cameras to whatever or whatever the question is, and then I'll find my video. And I think because I search that, then YouTube starts recommending like oh those videos, you're looking for that. I'm like, no, I made it, uh, it's okay.
SPEAKER_02Hey Peter, anyone else seeing stuttering? Possibly something to check out after the show. Yes, we're stuttering because my internet will not even just my internet, our internet sucks, but like especially specifically my office, we've just gotten lucky.
SPEAKER_00It's been really bad today. It took me, um, it has taken me an hour and a half to upload a 400 megabyte file. So that's really bad.
SPEAKER_02It's also been windy here, and I think the the weather really does affect the terrible internet though. We're in the desert, you know. Yeah. Anyway.
SPEAKER_00Time to clear the table.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right.
SPEAKER_02All right. Well, this was a fun episode.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Hopefully there's a lot to think about. We had like we didn't even get to some stuff, which is cool. So maybe that'll be the next one. Leave it for later.
SPEAKER_02Anyway, uh, in the link in the description, we do have our email, uh, I don't want to say newsletter, but if you want reminders, or you know, sometimes we change when we stream, you can sign up for that.
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SPEAKER_00Have a safe, happy, healthy, fun, rest of your week. We'll see you next time.
SPEAKER_02Bye. Dun dun dun. Where's my outro?