The Couple's Table
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Why We Make Videos
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Between the two of us, we've been making YouTube videos for 13 YEARS. So why? Why do we make YouTube videos?
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Hello and welcome. My name is Tom. And I'm Heather. And you're sitting at the Couples Table.
SPEAKER_01Couples Table is a live stream podcast here on this channel. Join us for better or worse.
SPEAKER_03For richer and poorer, poorer is underlined. In sickness and in health. Whenever we stream.
SPEAKER_01Poorer is underlined. That's a Simpsons quote. Oh, see. Woo! Hi, everybody. It is episode 107. Can you believe it?
SPEAKER_03Crazy.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_03Did you know if you get speaking of videos? My very first video on my channel is about how to get your drone license, which is part 107. That's your license.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_03It's all tied together.
SPEAKER_01Hello, everybody. Let's say hi to everyone. First of all, shout out to the pre-show crew. That was fun. Seeing you all. Bailey, Jared in the House, Parker Jennings, what's up? Spiral lab. Hello. Concrest Conquest Racing Club. There it is. Freddie always. The couple the table is set in a couple seconds. Well, let me tell you, I completely forgot.
SPEAKER_03You pulled it together though, really quick.
SPEAKER_01We'll see, because it's already, it's just on here.
SPEAKER_03You just had to find it.
SPEAKER_01It's just on here. Yeah. Mr. Cameron, Jackie the House, Rio Pell Room. What's up? Josh Scott. Hello. How are you? Just watched a video of Kat hanging out in Buck Studios. Very cool. That was very cool. That was super fun.
SPEAKER_03That was it's so it's so weird. Um, I don't know if anyone here has had the experience, but when you I had it like when Peter was here. When you you see people that you're familiar with, they're just like in your yeah, and then I was watching Kat like edit the video because she was like cutting stuff out of the stream, and then you see your studio on her computer was like my camera show. It was weird.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Hey Chip, Nick, Louis, Chip is here, Michael. Hi, introvert amateur. Hello, everybody. Well, there you go. Look at us two weeks in a row. I know. Wow. That's that's like legit.
SPEAKER_03Not sure if we'll do next week because there is an appointment.
SPEAKER_01I feel like we should do it. I might be late.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we'll see how it goes. Next week's question mark because it's scheduling.
SPEAKER_01But we're we're gonna plan on it. I'm I'm planning on it.
SPEAKER_03At least on Thursday. Yeah. Um anyway.
SPEAKER_01So, so Tom.
SPEAKER_03Last week, we kind of caught up, talked a lot about stuff. We talked a lot about things that I was up to and working on. And this week, we have a lot of things to catch up on what you're up to and working on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03We're all working on.
SPEAKER_01But but you texted me while you're ice skating this morning, and you were like, we should talk about this.
SPEAKER_03Right. Because so what is that? I talked about okay. Heather made a video yesterday. Yes, I did, and we're gonna talk about that video. And in that, she she started by showing a clip from an old video that she made, like many, many years ago.
SPEAKER_01Many, many.
SPEAKER_03In the world of YouTube, seven years ago is a very long time.
SPEAKER_01True, true, true, true.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure there are silver play button channels where people weren't even alive seven years ago, some six-year-old. Um, but yeah, she made this video and she was kind of going through it, and I thought it was really interesting. And as you were looking back and watching your video, you were like, Oh, it's so cringy, and I can't believe this, and that the other thing. And I was like, I love it. I I know that embarrassing feeling, and I know that that's normal, but I loved watching somebody in the early phases just go for it and figure it out.
SPEAKER_01I okay, so your comment was that, like, yeah, because when I'm watching it, it's just I cannot help but cringe. It's just like I don't know, I don't know why that's like my instinct. And then you left a comment that was like, oh, the cringe part is like when you're trying something new.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, people who don't try anything new don't do anything cringy other than not trying anything. Right.
SPEAKER_01And the cringe comes from trying something new. And I and like when you pointed that out, I was like, it was like boom, boom, oh my god, that's what it is. Like, I feel like people don't want to feel that feeling, so they just don't try it all. Because cringy isn't a good feeling, it's not a it's not a bad feeling, but it's uncomfortable, you know? Yeah, and like it's cringy while you're doing it, it's cringy for as long as that video is up there, it's cringy when you watch it back. Like, I all I will probably always feel that feeling.
SPEAKER_04Like, I'm uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but like I'm happy I did it, you know, I'm super proud I did it, and it's it was awesome looking back. So I it it just made me think like I wish I came to that realization so much long, like longer ago, so I can tell everybody who's like, Oh, but I'm scared of making a video. I'm like, yeah, because it it's cringy, like it's uncomfortable. But also, if you can push through that, like you're not gonna regret it, I don't think.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that's why when we want to talk about why we make videos, I didn't want it to be YouTube specific because people make videos for all kinds of different reasons. And um as so you made the video yesterday. Yeah, last week we were talking, and we sort of touched on like you sort of feeling like this kind of creative block, but one thing you had said, which was very important, or maybe this was in the other stream we did in the network, it doesn't really matter, but the thing you had talked about was that you really like making videos. You weren't sure where the videos should go or how to approach it or anything, but you liked making videos, and I thought that was like I kept repeating it because I was like, I think this is a very important thing. If you don't like making videos and like the process of making videos, everything else is kind of doomed. Yeah, but if you like making videos, then that's the foundation, everything else kind of can fall into place, and so I thought that was really interesting because I think everybody here to some degree in some way, somewhere, likes making videos, and that's why we're here, and I thought that'd be a fun thing to talk about.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's you know what when I well, okay. So the last video I made, the last two videos I made were probably like a month ago, where it was the vlog where we went to Tiffany's, you had your flight lesson. I made a video about like how it makes me feel weird when people ask me how many subscribers I have. But like I felt like I that was just a little glimpse of getting back into it. And then I I think I found out it was anemic, anemic. I keep saying I have amnesia, that's a different thing. Anemic. Uh, and so I had to take care of that. So I I had to stop. But like I kept telling Tom the next day after I made those videos, like how much fun it was to just be back in it, you know? And like it was also it just so happened that when I was vlogging, someone bumped into us into the park in the parking lot.
SPEAKER_03First time that's like ever happened.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and like was like, oh, is this for YouTube? And had totally, you know, subscribed to our channels and stuff. And I was like, see, this is that like that, like I don't know what that is, that um juju, like the the fun, positive juju that happens like when you're just putting it out there, creating content, flow, yeah, like the world shifts, and I was sad that I had to stop. And then so yesterday I made another video, and I it it I feel like back on and like the gears are turning, and now it's like you know, even last week on the couples table, I was feeling like because I haven't made a video. Felt weird. It felt weird to be.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you've made like 700 videos.
SPEAKER_01I know, but like actively, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, speaking of active, thank you, Andrew.
SPEAKER_01What's good to see you a massive super chat.
SPEAKER_03I hate watching my old videos. Then again, I hate watching my new videos.
SPEAKER_01Thanks for the super chat. I'm surprised we haven't seen you at the rink, man.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I feel like you're the one I'm waiting to bump into.
SPEAKER_03Let's go ice skating together.
SPEAKER_01I mean a game, not like the actual rink, of course.
SPEAKER_03Let's go ice skating.
SPEAKER_01Uh let's see. Anyway. Ron's good to see you. Richard with the Love Tether's video from yesterday. Thanks, Spiral Lab. Here's a video saw awesome. Um, I really sort of saw that video in my inbox. I love the green screen effect with the old video, and I'm thinking of doing something similar with an old video, my most successful, to see if I agree with my own advice. It it's like way fun. I I think it'd be awesome. I think it'd be it's it's cool because it's like you could do that for so many videos, and you could just be like, is this still relevant? You know, like how have things changed? It's just a natural discussion right there. What it do, kangaroos, the Paul Duncan in the house, what's up? I don't like the sound of my voice. Let's see. Hey Melanie, good to see you. I miss Heather Vlogs. We'll be back. They will be back. Oh, this is there a ton, we just missed you. That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01The second floor. Anyway, so why do we make you why do you make videos, Tom? Let's start there.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I've always loved making videos, and that's kind of like a thing. My earliest memory is my parents using the camcorder, filming something like a birthday, and then later that night, or be able to watch it back and really feel like I was reliving it because it's like I remember what I was thinking and feeling there, and look, there it is. And I'm like three or four years old, and then it was my dad who would take the camcorder and do stupid little jump cut effects and things, or you know, like stand here, okay, now stop recording, okay, walk away and I'll start recording, and then we'd play it back and I would disappear, or you know, he would like when I started realizing it's not just to capture things, but then you can kind of shape things and create things. That's when I got hooked and was very excited about it. And then for some reason, the actual like production and the gear part of it was also really interesting to me. Again, I have no idea why, but it just was, and it just has never stopped. And so that's why I like making videos, and I spent so much of my life making videos that no one could ever see because they were just on VHS tapes somewhere, or eight millimeter tapes, and then YouTube shows up, and it's like you can make videos and share it with everybody, and I just feel like I'd be silly not to take advantage of that. So I make videos because I I really love making videos, and yeah, I love the whole process, and I'm really grateful to live in a time where we have something like YouTube to share those videos.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Why do you make videos?
SPEAKER_01Uh so I I like you have a lot of childhood memories.
SPEAKER_03Because I'm gonna just I we have very different approaches to what we like and don't like about the process.
SPEAKER_01Yes, very different. But I love that about us. I love that we are just on complete opposite sides of the same thing.
SPEAKER_03You genuinely do like making videos.
SPEAKER_01Like no, I do though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's different, it's a different from how I like it, but she likes thing of ideas, recording, editing, finishing the whole thing, watching the whole like back. Like you're definitely someone I would describe as liking making videos.
SPEAKER_01I I freaking love it, dude. Like, I I I think I forgot how much I loved it until you know it's been a day, it hasn't even been 24 hours, but I feel like I don't know, I just feel that feeling of like you know, when when something literally gives you life, you know, like you're super into something, you can't stop thinking about it. Like I'm I have that, and I've always had that, but you know, ebbs and flows and stuff like that. But I feel like when I'm really into making videos and I allow myself to make videos that I really want to make, I see like the best version of myself. And I I love how how I come alive that way by making videos, and I feel like there are very few things that bring this out of me, you know what I mean? And I and I'm I'm really appreciating that in a way I haven't before, because before it's like, I mean, we can you know, this is this is a whole other part to this discussion, but I think like what I did was yes, I've always had fun making videos, but then I would I would steer the focus to like, well, this is YouTube, and this is what you should be doing on YouTube, and this is how you should be doing YouTube, and this is like you know, and it just it just took away from the yeah the like fun part, and unfortunately, like my the way that my brain works, I can't do half normal and half like fun. It's just either or, and so for this, you know, for my new challenge, 38 by 38, I'm gonna make 38 videos by the time I turn 38, which is on July 2nd. Um, and I'm just gonna focus on fun. So I'm excited. I'm so excited to be like, what is video number 14 gonna be? I've no idea.
SPEAKER_03I really wonder I want to dive into the discovery too of how you got to the 38 by 38 thing, but I want to also dive into Yeah, Cat's in the house.
SPEAKER_01What's up?
SPEAKER_03Cat was in the house because she was here a couple weeks ago.
SPEAKER_01That was so good seeing you, cat. Uh Ron says, I missed the vlogs. Girls are skipping full now. So impressive by cat.
SPEAKER_03People, strangers come up and tell her, Pardon my French, that she is a badass on the jump rope. That's I don't have people coming up, strangers, telling me I'm that good at anything. I usually have them tell me, like, can you move so?
SPEAKER_01It's so funny because see, here it okay. I'm literally going through the same process that I just described with jump rope all over again because I love jump rope. Something clicked a few weeks ago where I felt like I was on fire. I've been scrolling on social media so much, seeing all these pros doing things that I can't do, and I'm feeling really crappy about myself. It's taking away from the fun. Yes, and now I don't care about it. That's not that I don't care about jump rope, but I'm I can feel myself like, well, well, I'm not good. I can't do that thing.
SPEAKER_03There was kind of a cool thing that happened though, where you've been practicing stuff. Normally, when you go to the gym, there's like a group exercise room, like the classroom. But if there's no classes, you can just go in there. So you go in there and jump because it's like a dance studio almost wood floors, see mirrors. Yeah. And we went to the gym, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, and there was a class, so you couldn't go, and you just sort of had to jump in the middle where there's no mirrors or anything.
SPEAKER_01It's in front of the treadmills. Yeah, but you didn't treadmills on the stationary bikes.
SPEAKER_03You remember you telling me you couldn't you couldn't be distracted by the mirrors and how the form wasn't perfecting this?
SPEAKER_01It was just yeah, like I needed the mirror to check my form, you know? Like I Which is important. That's important, but then I feel like I was getting all up in my head because it wasn't looking right. And instead it was just like I had to just flow. There's no right or wrong, just go. Like just do what your body naturally does. And I feel like, you know, I I I feel like um I don't know what the equivalent is, but like say dance, right? Like you learn the foundation, like the basics of certain dance steps. And when you're learning, it's like you learn the basics and then you learn to do them in order, and then you do it on the right, and then you do it on the left, and you just kind of like do that, but then then you get to a point where you can start making all kinds of combos that are your just your creative side, right? Like you you end up coming up with your own choreography, and I felt like I hit that point when I walked away from the freaking mirror, and it was really awesome.
SPEAKER_03So anyway, Foot Doctor Zach, thank you for the chat.
SPEAKER_01Big shout out for the hologram tutorial. Oh, that's great.
SPEAKER_03That's really cool. That's really cool. Um, the most common question I got in that video from two weeks ago was uh, can you do this in eCamm or can you do this on a live stream? And the answer is mostly yes, not a hundred percent, but like 85% yes. And so the video I'm working on for next week explains how to do that in eCamm and OBS. So that way, um, if you don't want to like edit together this screen recording hologram effect in Final Cut and you want to do it live or whatever, you totally can, and it looks almost as good.
SPEAKER_01Sparlab says it's so obvious Tom likes uh loves making videos. He makes weekly how-to tutorial review videos, and everyone has a beautiful, beautiful little film. I love that very much. Uh Drew says, as always with the Couples Table, how I've been feeling in my day-to-day life comes up as a topic.
SPEAKER_03That's because we're spying on you.
SPEAKER_01Nick says, I just like being paid to talk. Okay, Nick, I think for the past two weekends, we've hosted people. Oh, yeah, where we and we just watch your videos. Yeah. Like it's happened every time.
SPEAKER_03And it is kind of the way we ex we explain because we're like, oh yeah, like we have a friend, he does stuff about like design trends and interior design and stuff.
SPEAKER_01I feel like it starts out with like, here's what we're trying to describe. Here's an example of someone who's doing it really well, but then we just get lost in like, God, tell me about this like bathroom decor or whatever. And I'm just like, all of a sudden, I'm just watching the video and I forget. Like, you're just so good at it. You're so your videos are so entertaining and they're just super fun to watch. Um, I've recently been struggling to make videos as I've been focusing on my tension photography, separating my attention has not been possible with me, unfortunately. That is hard.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's definitely tough.
SPEAKER_01Balance, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Hello from Morocco.
SPEAKER_01Hello, another day in paradise. Yeah, muscle memory creativity, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think that that's how it is for a lot of I think you know, for all creative outlets, it's like you learn the fundamentals and yeah, but then you apply it to your thing with your style, your voice, your individuality. Like you make the thing that only you can with the skills that you've learned. Right. So yeah, I'm just I'm just going in a I don't know. Like I I feel like if I were to consult with myself, right? Like if I were to YouTube coach myself, I'd be like, what the hell are you doing? But I'm okay with that. I think that's like the exciting part of this challenge is like it's truly just for me.
SPEAKER_03Like I really just wanna let's talk about this challenge because maybe not everybody knows what we're talking about here.
SPEAKER_01You were like, let's talk about this.
SPEAKER_03Let's talk about this because there's there's of there's a lot to talk about there. So basically, too much Heather was getting you were sort of like having ideas and having these like thoughts and feelings and stuff, and then yesterday I had to leave for like the first half of the day, and as I was leaving, you were like, I'm getting out the notebook, you're gonna come back, and I'm gonna have ideas. And I was like, Okay, and by the time I had come back, not only did you have ideas, but you had filmed and were editing a video, and that was pretty cool. So, what happened? Uh and it's a video that's already out on her channel, so conceived, filmed, edited, uploaded one day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so long story short, I feel like um I have four YouTube channels at this point. I can't I feel like this is my seventh year doing YouTube, and even though I don't have a silver play button for any of them, I don't feel like I have failed, right? Like I'm very proud of of like how YouTube has fit into my life and what it has allowed me to do and you know what what I have been able to do because of it. Uh but the thing is I've had to take some time off and then I was like ready to come back. And I think just because you know, it's like when you go on vacation, you come back to your desk and like what was I working on? Like what was the priorities? Like what I can't get back into the mindset that I was in. And I like don't and even like looking back at my notes, I'm like, it doesn't seem relevant anymore.
SPEAKER_03And so like I don't care about anymore.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, and so I was like, I don't, I want, I could feel the itch, like I really want to make something, but I don't know where or how or what. And like I just then like the more I thought about that, the more I was like, okay, I could tell it was really bothering me, like to the point where it started to become a chore to think about. Like I didn't even want to think about anymore because I was like, I can't, I'm not getting anywhere. I feel like I'm just going in circles, and I I feel like I was waiting for an answer to just show itself. And and usually when I'm at that point, it's just like I don't know if my brain is working in the background where it's like bang, I think it is. You know, it's just like all these little pieces come together, and so yeah, I came up with this challenge 38 by 38 because the thing that I really want to do is just make videos. That's all I want to do. Yeah, that's all I want to do. You have four channels, just pick where you want to put it and it doesn't even matter.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, historically, though, for you, the four channels, the the agony I have seen is almost like, what do I focus on? And it's almost like it seems like you might have felt that having the multiple channels is like a bad thing.
SPEAKER_01Well, I should kind of only have the one, but I shouldn't it is a bad thing. Like I feel like if you wanna like straight up, if I change my hat and I I go into YouTube coach mode. Like, have one channel, bro. If you want the check mark, here's an example of someone doing it right. One channel. The second channel was totally a supplement and is like not a priority. It's there if you need it.
SPEAKER_03I really want to upload my like five months.
SPEAKER_01But it's not like I'm trying to grow too. You know what I mean? No, no, that one I don't if anything, I don't know. He has a silver plate button. It's his full-time thing. Like if you want this, if you want all this, but I think like I it's just, you know, it's funny looking back. It's fun, I think seven years is just a it's a funny amount of time, but like, you know, looking back, I I've tried so many different things. And I remember my most recent like big push was just like just do it the way that Tom is doing it, like step by step, word for freaking word. And because I'm an extreme, I just to the extreme, I take everything to the extreme. I literally copied everything word for word. So I went to Tom's channel description. I went to his channel description and I copied it and just made it like made my version, and that was my YouTube channel description. And then like your video descriptions, I did the same thing. Like, even the way like your um, you know, like my to I made a video on my tutorial channel about the green screen. Yeah, like that was heavily influenced by you. I even had you film the B-roll. So like I was just like, if I want what you have, why like I have no excuse. I live with the guy. Like I can see exactly what you're doing it and how you're doing it. Why can't I just like literally I could look over and copy exactly what you're doing? It never clicked. Just didn't click for me.
SPEAKER_03Because it's different for everybody. It's not you can't you yeah, which I guess is a good experiment. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That like if it were a formula, then everybody would do it.
SPEAKER_03Right. It's like if you've ever worked for a brand or a client, they're like, we want a viral video. And you're like, oh yeah, I'll stop making these non-viral videos now. Let's make it because I know how to just we'll make this one a viral one, because that's something you can do.
SPEAKER_01So I feel like that when I didn't have a template to copy, I didn't know what to do, you know? And I and I feel like this is just I I literally took the bell and I just swing like swing. Swang. I swing that swung and rang the thing, like swing, rang thing completely in the other direction. And it's just like no absolutely no strategy, pure fun, like pure. I don't even care if it's K.
SPEAKER_03It's just making videos, it's just making it.
SPEAKER_01I don't even I don't, yeah. Like there's no excuse. Whatever idea I come up with, it has somewhere to go because I got four at this point, which is like total insane. I feel like it's just I feel like I can go to Vid Summit and do a whole talk about what not to do.
SPEAKER_03But that's what not to do if you're trying to grow as fast as possible, be as profitable as possible, as fast as possible. Like, no, this isn't what to do, but that's not what you're trying to do. What I think is so interesting about where you're at is finally having the realization of I've done this for seven years. When you're just making your first video and you're just picking up a camera for the first time and learning how to edit, there's the learning curve, right? Of just making something that's decent, that makes sense. Like that's hard. That's a hard skill to learn. But you're you've you're 700 videos in or something, you're way past that. So you know, like you were saying to me, if you make a video, technically it's going to be good. Like you don't have to overcome those hurdles. You're on to kind of a different thing now. And I think, you know, it's it's almost like when you meet someone who's, I don't know, in their 60s or 70s, and they're just like, I don't care anymore. I'm just gonna do the thing I want to do because all these decades of experience where now I am comfortable doing this, it's almost like a version of that.
SPEAKER_01It really does feel like a huge relief, which is crazy because it's I feel the relief that I would feel as if I had already completed the challenge. Right. Like it's just it's like I feel so light, and I think it's just being able to look, like giving myself permission to just do it the way that I want to do it, you know? And I've had to, you know, in addition to the learning curve, it's also learning like, oh, if you make 10 videos, one pops off. That doesn't mean you necessarily need to lean into that, you know? And like I've had to learn that the hard way of like, oh shoot, here's where here's where the community is responding, here's where the views are going, YouTube is telling me like make more videos like that.
SPEAKER_03I've seen you unlist your most popular video.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, dude. I'm not making my I'm not gonna be that channel. I'm not making more content.
SPEAKER_03I've done that multiple times, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I've had it's like in the past seven years, I I have all I have that. I've I've done all those things, and I I just want to see like, okay, what can I come up with now? And I, you know, in that's just me, right? But in the bubble of content creation, I also do feel like it's an interesting time because I feel like I don't know, it's just uh I feel like it there's I feel like the space is like changing.
SPEAKER_03I feel like it it's definitely changing. I know the word burnout is like cliche at this point, but I feel almost feel like it's fatigue, not necessarily, yeah, that's the word. Like stagnation. Um, is sort of like the things that I keep thinking of. And so what's really cool, the the reason I'm so excited about this for you is because what I see is you taking things that you have almost felt were like liabilities or things that you need to fix or go against, and instead of doing that, you're embracing it and just accepting it and then like literally like going with the creative flow of everything. Yeah, and that's going to be different. It doesn't mean everyone should start four channels and make 30 videos or whatever. But it means like I'm just you know, you're you're forcing this thing of how it should be done this way over here, and instead taking a step back and going, like, what do what do I just want to do? Yeah, you know, like obviously, if if you know, like if you're trying to there's certain things that are incompatible, maybe like trying to earn as much money as possible and then do things the way that you want to do them might not be.
SPEAKER_01Like I realize that, you know, this isn't effective in terms of business and growth and stuff.
SPEAKER_03But for anybody thinking of doing something like that, like, you know, just understanding that and being realistic about it. And then so that's not the Yeah, like I know what my expectations are. Yeah, your view count isn't the measure of success, your revenue isn't the measure of success. I think that at your skill level, with just who you are, making 38 videos in three months, I think it will open up opportunities and things and probably end up generating some kind of revenue or something.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it always has.
SPEAKER_03Like it always You can't predict where things will go because there's way too many variables. Right. But you know, I think so. I think that will happen because that is what has happened, but you can't force it to happen, and it's not the re it's not the reason. That's not my drive. Right.
SPEAKER_01That's not my motivation at all. Right. Yeah. So, you know, we'll see. But I'm excited. I just feel it. Super excited for you.
SPEAKER_03Feel it in the air, just embrace what makes you you.
SPEAKER_01Feel it in the air. Okay, we are a lot of catching up to do. Uh, let's see. So another day in paradise. I have been podcasting for about a year. You guys have been great inspiration. My podcast, Another Day in Paradise, is like a therapy. Uh, usually around 50 views, but I still love podcasting. It's great.
SPEAKER_03Making the thing is its own reward sometimes.
SPEAKER_01Sup.
SPEAKER_03Also, 50 views on a podcast is actually a lot, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Yes. You would know. That's that's uh like that's an actual data point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we're talking about YouTube or whatever, but generally speaking, especially audio-only podcasts, 28 views in the first seven days put you in the top 50%.
SPEAKER_02It's great. Yeah. Um what is happening out there? Is it the mail or like a dump truck? Oh, it's like a dump truck.
SPEAKER_01Drew. Oh that sounds amazing. Heather, so excited to see you excited to make videos again.
SPEAKER_03Me too.
SPEAKER_01Thanks for the super chat. Tombuck to uh Rich, what's up? I just crossed 100 subs after three plus years, almost 400 uploads, 30,000 views.
SPEAKER_03400 uploads and 30,000 views. Those are like really the big milestones. Yeah, that's like huge. Because you can't control the subscribers. I guess you can't really control the views, but 400 uploads is huge. And 30,000 views is a lot of a lot of views. It's a lot. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No one's eyes fits all. I'm totally too here for I think you're doing great.
SPEAKER_03It depends on how if you're having fun.
SPEAKER_01Well, okay, to put it in perspective, right? So, like my last three videos I've uploaded on this channel. That includes the one from last night and then the two vlogs I did like last month that I was super excited about. I was just like, I just can't tell you how excited I was about those videos. I've lost subscribers every time. If you go to my YouTube like creator studio, it's negative. And I'm happy about that because to me, it's like just the people who who aren't if you're not gonna stick around, that's cool. Like, we're not friends, like just go, you know, like there's plenty of other channels that are your thing, and I want to continue making videos that I want to make. So, like, you know, it it's I don't know. My point is that you can kind of contextualize what the numbers mean, you know. I think that's great. The dogs are going crazy. The dogs also think it's great. Bailey, if it doesn't click for you, Heather, your audience definitely won't click on the video because they'll feel that it is unnatural. Uh, gotta check the viral video box. Yeah, seriously. Um, I'm making YouTube video to extend my comfort zone and to justify my cameras. I love that. Uh level up with Mike Newman. Tom just nailed it. Everybody wants instant success, but the most important thing is to stay true to yourself and be patient because if you don't believe in yourself, your viewers won't believe either. Yeah, people can feel that. The thing is, like, that is hard because if you tell that to if you told that to me like two years ago, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like if you're not sure what you're doing, like what your voice is, what you're trying to say, it's like how you know, how could I be true to someone I I'm still figuring out, you know, like that, especially in a creative thing.
SPEAKER_03I think that goes back to why things feel cringy when you watch them back, is because you're watching yourself figure something out. So it's not fully formed yet.
SPEAKER_01You're in an uncomfortable situation and you're watching it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. But you have to do like you have to do it. Being a beginner can really suck sometimes, but it is I've been learning, like learning to embrace the beginner phase of things can also be really cool.
SPEAKER_01Fatigue is a great word. Um, I may miss this, but are the 30 videos across multiple channels or focused on one? They're they are across multiple channels. I don't know where.
SPEAKER_03It's just kind of like so it's kind of like I have an idea, I want to make something, I want to make it where she where does it fit?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like it's like that toy that the kids have where it's like a circle, a square, and a star, and they put the shapes through it. And you're like, okay, I made a star. Where's the star? Although sometimes it would also fit in the square because the shapes. Yeah. Sometimes you pop that triangle.
SPEAKER_01Hey Roger, Gil, what's up? Hey, hot to ladies in the house. Hi. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm excited. I well, here's another thought I had because going off of the creator space is changing.
SPEAKER_03I I I don't really know like it's been changing so long that like it's been changing longer than it has in it first.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I could put an anchor in terms of like, okay, during the pandemic, there was a bunch of people who like jumped in for the first time, right? And I feel like what it's been three years now, say two and a half. That's enough for somebody to like the ones that made it made it, the ones that are figuring it out or like probably quit, you know, like it's like you shake the the like pan and like the sifter thing. Yeah, so it's I feel like you know, you're gonna see that cycle, yeah. But now I feel like there's a there's a different cycle, and I think this this has to do with like you know, I think all the platforms are changing. I think AI is having a huge, you know, is a disruptor to the whole space. Um, because now every it's like it's so easy now because AI will just do it for you and write your video scripts and stuff. But the thing that I was thinking, which I felt like, oh, this is kind of perfectly timed, is that I feel like uh genuine deep connections, like the opportunities for that are getting lost in the super quick swipey connections, just because there's more opportunities for the swipey and less like I feel like I feel like people have to go out of their way to use the internet to connect deeply versus like it's habitual now to do the like micro connections, which like you know man, I I just attended Canva Create this morning and it's crazy because you know it it's a lot of companies and brands that use Canva in their marketing and their you know advertising and stuff like that, and small to you know, super large corporations are using they're creating content and uploading content content multiple freaking times a day. Like multiple times a day, which is insane to me because like now add in everyone else who are always also like trying to connect, and it's just like the the amount of of like info that we see every day, it's like crazy to be able to take that in, reflect, you know, have your own thought, wake up the next day, what am I gonna do about it?
SPEAKER_02You know, like Yeah, there's no time for that.
SPEAKER_01I feel like I don't want to say it's fading, I just feel like this is getting this is taking up more of the space. And so like I'm excited to lean more into the deeper connection, right? Because like the way that I'm doing it is not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow up, right? Like it's not a quick video that someone can consume that like there are more opportunities to consume short form content right now. So like if you wanted to grow a channel, like make that because every platform is pushing that right now, and I'm doing the complete opposite of it. I my video last night was 22 freaking minutes of me just sitting and talking in the same angle, you know. So my suspicion is that um amongst all the fatigue, I feel like people are people, and there's always going to be um a craving for like deep connections and those like you know I I don't I don't know how to describe it, but it's like the thing that we all went to the internet for during the pandemic because we couldn't do it in person, right? Like that, like oh my gosh, here are here are all these people I would have never met that I have stuff in common with, that like we have completely different lifestyles, we're different ages, we're on different sides of the planet, but like we connect in this way. I feel like that's getting harder and harder to do, right? But it's still gonna be there, right? Like people still are always gonna want that. So it's gonna be interesting, especially in the wor world of AI, that like the AI is writing your YouTube scripts, AI is freaking editing your video. Like, I'm not saying AI is a bad thing, but I I see a lot of people leaning on it a lot, and um, I feel like you know I feel like if you can go the extra step and and also put in your individuality, even though it takes longer, it may cultivate that deeper connection that will have a longer lasting impact.
SPEAKER_03Have you ever heard of have you ever heard of the Fender custom shop for guitars?
SPEAKER_01No, Tom. What?
SPEAKER_03You haven't?
SPEAKER_01So it's like when you asked me who the Aquavets are the first day we met.
SPEAKER_03So um most big music companies have like a custom shop, and Fender has one, one of the maybe one of the most famous, if not the most famous. Fender makes guitars, basses, instruments, and they have ranges. So, like a Fender Stratocaster, for example, which is probably if you're not someone who plays guitar and you just think of a guitar, it's probably a Stratocaster or something that looks kind of like it that you're thinking of. And they make that at different price ranges. So there's really inexpensive versions that are, you know, made overseas for maybe one or two hundred dollars. There's like a mid-range version from Mexico that's you know six to eight hundred dollars, maybe close to a thousand. There's the American-made ones, which go for you know up to a couple thousand, and then there's the custom shop ones, which are made, um, they're just made not too far from us in California. And I forget how many like custom shop makers they have. It's like eight people or something, twelve people maybe. Um, and they the waiting list to get one is like three years long. The guitars themselves are anywhere from five to unlimited thousands of dollars, twenty-fifty thousand dollars for the same Stratocaster, telecaster pee. Like it's you know, it's a fender guitar. Um, it's going to be higher quality than the ones that you would buy, like Guitar Center or something, because literally the person who's making it for you, they've talked to you about it, they've taken all of your stuff, you guys have designed it together. That person walks out into like their warehouse and gets a slab of wood and like looks at the grain, like this grain would be perfect for their design. This type, like they do everything from when it's just chunks of wood to when it's a finished guitar, they make the electronics by hand, they do all that kind of stuff. So it is better than the one you're gonna buy at Guitar Center. Is it $10,000 better? No. Um, and the reason that I'm bringing this up is because it kind of reminds me of a little bit of the debate between like AI short form and this kind of stuff, where it's like there's room for everything. Like you need those other more affordable, low-end, quick, easy-to-produce instruments. Not everybody, if all they sold were these custom shop guitars, nobody would play guitar. But there's also people who, even though they have those options, will go out of their way to get this other thing, not because it's the most practical, but because they connect with it and there's a purpose for it in a really specific way that that you just can't get otherwise. And I feel like there's sort of a similarity there. And you know, vendors have been running both of those for decades side by side. And a cool thing, this is not really related to the analogy I'm making, but I just think that it's really cool. What's cool too? The custom shop builders uh do not have a quota. So each one kind of specializes in different things, and they they seem to stay at the company for a number of years, decades, and stuff, till they retire and train a new person, like an apprentice to take over. Um, so it's not just like I want a custom shop guitar, and just whoever's open, like you pick the person, like I want Heather to make mine because she's really good at this specific thing and she has this style, and you're like, Well, my wait list is two and a half years. It's like, okay, I'll get on that. It might be three years, it might be one year. You don't have a number of guitars you have to make a month or a year, you just spend the time that it takes to make one, and when it's done, it's done. And they just do that for their whole career. And I think that's amazing. Like, can you imagine like you're just really good at something, and your job is to just go be good at it. Just go be good at it, however long it takes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's cool. Would that be though? Like, no, that's what you do, right?
SPEAKER_03No, it's not because I I have do have an upload schedule, I do have pressures, I do have these things that I don't I can't. Time is very much a real thing that it just is a real thing. Yeah, but I don't know, I think that's pretty cool. That is anyway.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, though, Paul Duncan just hit 150 subscribers and my channel just a year old. I asked myself, what would it be if I was more consistent with posting videos? Need to work on that. Uh let's see. My excuse for making videos is wanting to use the expensive gear that I buy so it doesn't sit there and build up dust.
SPEAKER_03That was one of my major driving factors for starting a channel. I get it.
SPEAKER_01Uh, Interpreter Amateur says, Not sure if my email made it to you, but I'll say it again. You both are the reasons why my YouTube Spark is still live thanks to your videos podcast. I'm currently at two hundred and thirty five subs and love the community conversation.
SPEAKER_03Oh, thank I don't remember an email, but thank you.
SPEAKER_01That's really like I remember seeing it, and I'm gonna feel really bad if I didn't reply. But I do remember seeing this.
SPEAKER_03Cat likes the term the swipey. I like that too. The swipey. Yeah, it's just the swipey.
SPEAKER_01Long live the long form. Love that needs to be on a shirt.
SPEAKER_03Long live the long form. Yes. Cat merch.
SPEAKER_01Cat merch. JFK, hello. Always wearing a hat, lady, and Mr. Nerdy said Mr. Nerdy Nerdy sub. Who me? Nerdy, I'm cool. I mean, there are such things as cool nerds, okay?
SPEAKER_03That's true.
SPEAKER_01Uh DJ, where? I want to thank you both. I'm trying shorts, perhaps doing more learning than trying, but you both were right.
SPEAKER_03I mean, learning is important. Awesome. It's all part of the process, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Let's see. As much as there's a lot of AI tech in music, I feel like it'll be decades before I can create musical music, like proper music.
SPEAKER_03I know it's very cliche to like quote 1984, but um a thing I remember in that book is that people were singing songs, you know, and it's like the song of the average worker and the average person, this kind of stuff, but the songs are all written by machines and things that had never been human. And I thought that was always very interesting.
SPEAKER_01Do you know what this means?
SPEAKER_03Long live Fender Squires. Yeah, Squire is Fender's like low-end brand. So when you buy a $200 telecaster or Stratocaster, it'll be a Squire, but uh Mike says YouTube keeps pushing the shorts, and I will stick with long form.
SPEAKER_01People need connection too. They are tired of feeling alone. Stay with it. You're helping a lot of people who feel the same way.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not saying don't do shorts, but TikTok is literally presenting to Congress or no, like today. Are they pointing to words?
SPEAKER_01No one does that anymore. That trend is so gone.
SPEAKER_03Um what I was thinking though, with that was that's funny. Short form's fine. I think the problem is because it's so popular, so many people feel obligated. Like, well, I make videos I have to do.
SPEAKER_01It feels like the thing that you're supposed to do.
SPEAKER_03And if you don't want to do it, don't do it. Like, I really feel like that's important.
SPEAKER_01I feel like that was like live streaming that happened.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it happens with a lot of things, you know, whatever happens to be trendy.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay, we gotta do live streaming now. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_03Jinko jeans. I don't want my jeans to be this wide. We don't have to wear them. It's okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay, who had Jinko jeans?
SPEAKER_03I didn't, I never had a pair. I didn't either.
SPEAKER_01I never wanted them, but I remember every I remember always going to Hot Topic and picking the the hanger up and just be like, oh, you so wide.
SPEAKER_03I remember just I remember there were so many people who wore them, and I would be like, I don't know what kind of shoes they wear.
SPEAKER_01I've never seen this person's shoes because the jeans Oh yeah, like they encompass the shit and they touch the ground. I'll use Canva AI to make a shirt. Yeah, you know you could use Canva to print merch. Really? Yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_03Canvas really like from being like the little free quick design app.
SPEAKER_01Oh, now everybody now it's the go-to.
SPEAKER_03The global empire that they are now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's crazy. All nerds are cool. What's up, Mike? Uh, I wish that TikTok CEO the best of luck. Um, I need a clip of that. Tom Talk.
SPEAKER_03Oh no. I guess you're supposed to go to both sides. I only did one side. Yeah. Or I'm supposed to be off to the side of the screen pointing.
SPEAKER_01We need to do like a like a dancy short.
SPEAKER_03I don't.
SPEAKER_01Now I have an idea. I don't. You see the idea coming to me. Heather and Tom make a I can't I can't download TikTok, but we can make a YouTube short.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Or an Instagram reel. And then everyone will remix it and it'll go viral.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we don't need yeah, we click that viral button on the upload.
SPEAKER_01Uh anyway. Hey, Zen. Oh, hey. How are you? Wait, let me check my notes because I think I feel like I wrote more. Why are you laughing?
SPEAKER_03I don't know. Notes are fun. Uh enjoy notes. Mock talk. Mike says, I thought Jinko jeans are so ridiculous, I was too old for them even in high school. They were very, very popular when we were in high school.
SPEAKER_01That was Oh yeah, your comic.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01Do you have it? You should show it.
SPEAKER_03I don't know how to show it. I could try to find it here. Internet. Oh wait. Let's do this.
SPEAKER_01What is it called?
SPEAKER_03I don't know. It's like monetizing hobbies comic.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03This is just something I stumbled across the other day, but we left. Uh we gotta go to image search here. Hey! Oh, this is it. The first one. Perfect. Yeah. Thanks, Google AI.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Are you ready for this? Good. So it kind of reminded me of oh I hate it when I do this.
SPEAKER_03What did you oh they just downloaded like not an image? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But um yeah, your whole thing reminded me of this. Let's see. Let's see if that's a JPEG.
SPEAKER_03That's a web a web epic.
SPEAKER_01You gotta do a sort of save image. We'll get there. No. Oh, there's a PNG. Save. Sorry. Alright, here we go. Ready?
SPEAKER_03Yes. It's from kevincomics.com. I was hiding. This is the difference between us. I hid behind it and you popped out on the side. That explains our personalities and abilities.
SPEAKER_01See, of course, I was like, look, it's perfectly in the center, so you can go on the other side. Then of course you hid behind the thing. This is Tom. Let me get out of the way. This is Tom.
SPEAKER_03Okay, but anyway, we can pop over to the side here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You be the monster.
SPEAKER_03Sure.
SPEAKER_01Okay, ready? What a relaxing, what a relaxing new hobby I found.
SPEAKER_03Turn it into a side hustle.
SPEAKER_01Can't I just enjoy it?
SPEAKER_03No. Make passion your passive income. But monetize your free time. And now I'm selling stupid scarves for 20 bucks. Or whatever. I think that I think a lot of people relate to this where it's like essentially, you know.
SPEAKER_01It starts out like a fun thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's the cliche of like not every hobby needs to be monetized. Because how many times have you, especially if it's something you make, whether it's baking, crafts, whatever? I get into 3D printing, so sometimes I 3D print stuff. One of the first things so many people say, you should sell that. You should open up a shop.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_03It's like, but I don't want to.
SPEAKER_01I know. Can't I just have the I also don't blame them for asking. No, I mean why wouldn't you? It's not unreasonable to have. Why wouldn't you, you know? Like, obviously.
SPEAKER_03And sometimes that's, you know, we were just at our favorite bakery yesterday that started from someone making cookies.
SPEAKER_01I had a passion for baking cookies, yeah.
SPEAKER_03But I think this comic, where is it here, makes a lot of sense because if you're not careful and you just get caught up into it, you end up in the last frame where it's like this thing you loved. Is now something you resent.
SPEAKER_01And I feel like it's what I I feel like this has happened to me multiple times on my journey. It's like I'm Kevin's stupid scars over here. And it's crazy because you know what's the craziest part about this? Is that like it is it is your choice to be Kevin in this last pan over here.
SPEAKER_03It's hard to be a weather person. I feel like I should be paid more.
SPEAKER_01Like that's straight up a choice. No one makes you do that. No one makes you do that. You don't have a bus. It's totally like it's totally your you, it's a series of decisions to get to that point. Yeah. And it doesn't feel wrong at all. And then before you know it, it's like that.
SPEAKER_03I think a lot of it comes down to it's not that it feels wrong. Sometimes it feels so right, as Chuck Mangioni would say, because you you you're following the stuff that you think, like I should be doing this. And it's like, yeah, I should be doing this, and you're following other advice, and you're following that, but maybe that isn't what you as an individual should be doing because it's not like Kat said, it's not a one size fits all for everybody.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So it I'm excited because I'm I basically what I've done with this 38 by 38 challenge is like I kick the monster out of the house. I'm just gonna go down the street. Yeah. I'm just gonna do my relaxing new hobby, basically, and try to make the best scarves I can. I like it. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Really excited about it. There's something else I was gonna say, but here, you look at the comments, I have to remember what it was. All right, what was it?
SPEAKER_03Let's see here. Um, JFK, do you think better quality equals better sound? So, this is actually a very interesting question. Um, because I hear this a lot with microphones when I do mic reviews, and people are like, oh, that really cheap mic sounds just as good as the expensive mic. And they might be right. Getting it to sound that good is the hard part. And the same with instruments, like my first guitar was a really cheap squire from 20 years ago, so it was like $90. It can sound fine, it's not fun to play, even after I refinish it and stuff. It's like it is not an enjoyable guitar to hold, to play, the neck is awful. Um, versus like my American P bass is an absolute joy to like to play. And because it's so fun to use, not only does that make it easier to sound good, but it's more encouraging to use. And I think when a lot of people start out, I give this advice with cameras all the time. Like, yeah, you could get a $300 camera, you're gonna hate it because you're just gonna run into brick wall after brick wall after brick wall. But if you save $800, get a Sony ZV E10, right? Isn't I don't can't remember Sony camera models now because there's so many new ones, but yeah, the Z V E10 or because they're coming out with a new one and it threw off my brain. The one that's out now, that's gonna like it's not that it's the best camera on the market, but it's good enough to create good results and do so easily, reduce friction and enjoy the process of using it. So there's there really is like cost output correlation. Did you remember what you were gonna say?
SPEAKER_01No, no, I don't I don't know You're looking at me like you I don't I actually don't even know if there was a second point, but that's okay. Uh da da da da yeah, mock talk. Um Miro is here, pulled out of the last stream the other day for an emergency, has been crazy again here.
SPEAKER_03I hope things are okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, Mike says, I've intentionally not wanted to get paid as a photographer because I want to preserve the fun. Even people that try to hire me, I just do it for the thing that's important to keep in mind.
SPEAKER_03And you maybe different people want to try getting paid for things they love, but yeah, being aware that your relationship with the thing you do changes when it becomes a source of income, or especially if there's a client involved.
SPEAKER_01Like depends on the person, too. Yeah, that's why it could be worth trying. Yeah, because I feel like for some people, like I could see how for you it's not gonna change anything, but for me, it would change everything.
SPEAKER_03Like, I just remember change everything.
SPEAKER_01I feel like you would be better at keeping the balance, though. My brain can't do it. I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_03I think you give me a lot of credit. Maybe I play it off. Because you're awesome.
SPEAKER_01I love you.
SPEAKER_03Sounds so sarcastic.
SPEAKER_01No, I do.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I know.
SPEAKER_01Uh, did we say that you hit 120,000 subscribers? Let's give this guy round of applause. Congrats! Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Very excited for you.
SPEAKER_03That was pretty nuts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's insane.
SPEAKER_03I thought it would stop at 100, so if it kept going, which is great. Yeah, and I like the little the pace at which it's going. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're at a very comfortable, it's not stressful pace. Yeah, yeah. It's like so good right now. I'm like, dang, people, I feel like I feel like when people hit a certain point, it's just nothing but stress. But if anything, like you're in a good rhythm.
SPEAKER_03It's I think that's a slow and steady. The benefit of slow and steady is you don't get thrown into the let's I guess that's why we're always talking about you, Nick, if you're still here, is because you're such a good example of someone who did have a crazy like growth explosion, but because of prior experience and just who you are as a person, you handled it well. Whereas so many people more often than not when they go viral drop the ball.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's like, what is this? Yeah, yeah. But anyway.
SPEAKER_03All right. Thanks, Kat for Kat for the congrats, cat. Thank you. Is it time to clear the table?
SPEAKER_01I think it might be time to clear the table. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, thank you for being here. We are up in the air as whether or not we're gonna do something next week. I'm gonna plan on it. Schedule.
SPEAKER_01I the th I have a doctor's appointment for a procedure. So hopefully I'll be okay because it's in the morning. But I want to be here. The spirit is willing.
SPEAKER_03I'm just setting expectations.
SPEAKER_01He's like, see, who's who's who is the practical one out of the two of us?
SPEAKER_03That way, if there is one, great. If if not, if you're not feeling up to it, then it's like that's okay too. Yeah, no guilt, you know, no.
SPEAKER_01You might have to do solo suds in. Anyway, you might have the solo couples table. You know what you should do? You should just put the ecamp link out there, have everyone join. That'd be cool.
SPEAKER_03You have now given me a task. You have given me a job to do, a thing to organize.
SPEAKER_01I would want to watch it. Sounds fun. Whatever. We'll try to make it happen.
SPEAKER_03Alrighty.
SPEAKER_01All right, now all right.
SPEAKER_03Thanks for being here. I hope you all have a safe, happy, healthy, fun rest of your week. And we will see you next time.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Bye. I can find the audio. Okay, bye.