The Couple's Table

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• Season 1 • Episode 106

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Hello and welcome. My name is Tom. And I'm Heather. And you're sitting at uh the Couples Table.

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The Couples Table is a live stream podcast here on this channel. Join us for better or worse.

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For richer or poorer.

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In Sick Ascent and Health.

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Whenever we feel like streaming.

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I can't believe we did that. We did not. I was gonna say we should rehearse it, and I was like, you know what?

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I was gonna ask you. I'm not even gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up.

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And let's just see if we did it.

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Nope. That's I had the same thought. The same experience. Look at that.

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I'm proud of us.

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It's like riding a bike.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Same thing. Same thing. There are so many people here.

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There are so many people. It is so good to see everybody. Oh man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's been a minute.

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Welcome to the couples table. Yeah. So today, uh, I think this is episode 106. You wanted to do a whole new season.

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Well, I was like, you were like, what number is it? And does this count? I was like, I don't know, season two.

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I was like, 10 years from now, I want to know how many like cumulative episodes we did.

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So I was like, on my podcast, I do season one, season nine, episode five, series episode 142.

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Oh my, that's Tom for you.

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So that way I know how many there are. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay, anyway. So it's it's a we're back catch-up episode. We don't really have anything planned. We'll just talk about whatever you want to talk about.

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So much because we want to do this. And you know, as Bailey says, chills.

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Literal chills. I was Tom was like, I don't think I have the the intro music. I was like, you gotta have the intro music, man.

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I mean, it's not like it's lost forever, but like, you know, we prior to this were doing it in your studio for like eight months.

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No, I know. I kind of like being back in here. It's not do you?

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Okay.

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Well, the reason we moved was because oh, it's when I was like, no, Tom was getting a little bit overwhelmed with the production. Yeah.

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And so I was like, you handle it all, but now you just handle it all here on this computer.

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Well, I just I just showed up and sat down and it was all good to go. Oh, look, we sound great.

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Oh, there we go. We're using the I am on the Lewitt LCT 440 pure.

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It was a two-minute countdown.

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And Heather is on the LCT 240 Pro. So we're purely pro.

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Okay, so the last time we streamed was September 22nd.

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Seriously?

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Yeah, it's been September. Oh shoot. Yeah.

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That's fine.

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Toward November, December, January, February, March. Yeah.

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Wow. Alright.

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So, so.

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Okay, sorry. This is the problem with Ben.

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Ben's on the stream deck pedals. And he totally changed the scene. I don't know. Ben, like I was gonna say, every time we stream, we obviously haven't been streaming for a while, but for some reason, whenever we do sit together at a desk, Ben likes to be like in the most inconvenient spot.

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Yeah. He goes directly under where you can't move your feet. And now he decided to pass out on the Stream Deck pedal. Oh man, that was and change all the scenes.

SPEAKER_00

So okay, well, hello everybody. It is so good to see you all. What song is the intro music?

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Uh it's an Andrew Applepie song. I forget what it's called.

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That's what I just said. But okay, let's say hi to everybody. Jared in the house. I know there were some people who chatted before.

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Heather just create is here. Shoot.

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Hey Jay, Bailey, Roger, Paul Duncan, Hot Tub Ladies, Fire Lab, Drew, Miro, Todd, Mr. Camera Junkie. So nice. Prive my K Walk, Peter, Annika, Tech Troublemaker, Call Me Covey. Oh my gosh. It's so good to see you all. Andrew, J Poetics, Killer of Demons, Arthur G Films, Introvert, Amateur, Richard, Zent, ASMR. Oh my goodness. Wow. Okay, Attack on Titan. Should I start it?

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Well, obviously they're gonna say I should. They're gonna be like, nah, it's key.

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So, um, okay, so I posted on my Instagram.

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Questions, kind of.

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Well, kind of, yeah. I said, what should we talk about?

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Yeah.

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And um someone asked, well, a couple people asked.

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I haven't seen any of that.

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Which was like, why did you take a break basically?

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There's nothing wrong. We did a hundred episodes over two two years, right? Over two years. It's a long time. And for me, I'll speak to myself. Yeah. Um, we I felt a lot of pressure, I think we did two, to always like have a topic, which then you're planning out a stream, you're planning out a show every week, and that that got like hard to do after a hundred weeks. And where Lewis is in here, he's done like 120 straight weeks of live streaming.

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Like prophecy, man.

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You know, it gets difficult after a while. And the other thing for me was having the set thing in the calendar every week became really difficult to schedule around. And then there was like tremendous guilt if we took a break. So it was just kind of like, let's just let's just call it take a break.

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Because I I also felt like we were let's cancel this week. It like it started to be sporadic on and off.

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I never wanted it to be an obligation, and so yeah, we took a break. We said we'll do ones whenever we feel like we have recorded a couple of episodes.

SPEAKER_00

It was just the one. Was it just one? It feels like two or two.

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It was the one.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, you know why it feels that way? Because we talk all the time about content creation, or like this should be a podcast, and we you know, yeah, so maybe that was it.

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And then um, so again, coming back for me, what did start happening was talking to like all the awesome people who are here right now, people are like, oh, we missed that. And I was sort of I was surprised by how many people said they missed it, and then we started missing it, like you know, which is good. It's not like oh we think we have to do, but it's I wish we should do that.

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Yeah.

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And then so now it's more, at least for me, figuring out like how to do it in a you know, a sustainable way where it doesn't just end up happening what you know what what happened before.

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Yeah. Uh yeah, and then the timing was weird because when we took a break, all this health stuff started to happen for both Tom and I. Like it was just a weird six months of nothing life-threatening, but a lot of health stuff that we really needed to take care of. So, like honestly, if we hadn't called it, it it would have happened, I felt like timing then. So, yeah, like okay, I my cholesterol got like insanely high. Like the doctor told me you need to make some drastic lifestyle changes or else. So I just worked for three months straight and ended up dropping my cholesterol by 86 points, which is I've never heard of anyone dropping their cholesterol by 86 points in three months. Yeah, that was fun.

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That's crazy.

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I recorded a video and I for some reason I can't get this video out. I have to get this video out. You need to help me finish this because I need some b-roll, but hopefully that'll go out in the next in say I'd love to get it out tomorrow, honestly. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Then I found out I was anemic severely. So I've been dealing with that.

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The doctor was like, How do you get out of bed? And she's like, Oh, I I'm not performing as good as I want to at the gym. And she's like, How are you even walking? Yeah.

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So, yeah, that so what else happened? Oh, then I thought I had shoulder tendinitis. Tom did something weird with his knee.

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Oh, I tore my not tore, I don't know, strained my MCL.

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Yeah.

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That was fun.

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Yeah. So it's just a bunch of stuff that wasn't.

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Well, then I got COVID.

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Yeah, in December. And like, mind you, Tom has never missed a week in his upload schedule.

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Still didn't.

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Despite all this. We should, you know, I think you talked about this on your podcast, but I think that would be an interesting thing to talk about. Is like for someone who is as creative as you anyway, how did you deal with that like 11 days of well? We'll talk about that. We'll say below.

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Because I have answers.

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Yeah.

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I have answers.

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So it was a crazy few months, but feeling good. Happy 2023.

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You know what's making me feel good? Super chats. So thank you, Christian Gartner, for pair character turning around, wave his hand saying, Hey, you while lowering his glasses. I know in the YouTube chat you can see that, but on eCam you can't, so that's what we see. And Bailey, thank you so much. Totally not using super chats to keep bribing you to make these episodes. This will just be our main source of income now at this point.

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All right. Hey, Mike, movie dean, real Pel Room, Parker Jennings, Chip. Oh man, it's so good to see Wolf.

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Yeah. It really did. It was Bailey had sent in a thing to my podcast.

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So you can all think Bailey.

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Well, it was it was a this was a while ago. It was several weeks ago, maybe even over a month. Um, and it was just sort of like, hey, like, I feel like we haven't talked in a while. Sort of like, you know, without the couples table, feel a little disconnected. And I was like, yeah, you know, I feel that too. And it's sort of a bummer. And then other people started bringing it up. But it is this fine line to walk between like wanting to stay connected with people, especially a core group of people who get what you're doing, and then making yourself maybe too accessible to people who don't get what you're doing and you you don't want to be connected to. And I don't have an answer for that, but it's definitely like a bit of a struggle.

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Well, I came to realize that the couples table, I think for for us and for a lot of people, it it almost feels like uh like changing classes, it's like in the hallway and you get to see everybody. Yeah, like the passing period. But like because like otherwise, where else would we have spontaneous conversations? Like it would just wouldn't happen. It just didn't happen. You know, it would be here and there on on social media and stuff. But I realized that oh, I kind of miss having that.

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Yeah, no, it's a it's a really big I don't know, it's a big component to feeling nothing. You know, it's kind of the only way to Yeah, there's so many people we know where it's like, well, if we don't talk to them online, then we don't talk to them. So they don't live nearby or anything.

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Anyway, so uh the other question or the follow-up to that was so we're back, and what does that look like?

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That what does that look like?

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Uh well okay, so in my head, it is just Thursday, 1 p.m.

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Okay.

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I know you don't like that though, so I don't know what I don't know what I don't know what that is.

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Like I don't know what the maybe we can get some help here. It's not that I don't like because when you say you don't like that, it's not like, oh, Tom hates doing the stream or anything. It's just having the thing in the schedule with no end in sight. So, you know, sometimes you might sign up for a class or something that's six weeks long, and you're like, okay, yeah, sure, every week I have this commitment, but after six weeks I'm done.

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Yeah.

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Um, to just be like, well for the rest of time. Yeah, and the thing with the stream is it's not just, you know, whatever the stream might be an hour or a little over an hour, but there's so much time before, so much time after, plus the like physical, emotional expense of doing it, even a good one, on top of trying to do everything else, it can become really disruptive. And so what I don't want is that same thing of just like indefinitely, here's its thing that I have to constantly work around, and it it ends up adding a lot of stress. Um, so what I would like, what I do with my own personal podcast where nobody else is involved but me, is I just do one episode a week and it gets recorded when I can throughout the week.

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Yeah.

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But that's not how your brain works.

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No, because I have ADHD, and if I start the week knowing that at some point in the next seven days, we have to do the couples table, then I will, I will just be you know how you wake up six. Yeah. You wake up on so today we woke up and we're like, okay, we're gonna do the couples table, and we've been thinking about it since we woke up, right? Yeah, even probably yesterday, like, okay, tomorrow we got the couples table. Well, if if it's like not in the calendar and it just happens whenever, then on Monday I will start thinking about it until we do it. And so, like, now I've we've dragged the time because it's like it could be today, it could be tomorrow.

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So a solution, a potential solution that I had was compromise. It's meet in the middle. So if I want less structure and you want more structure, what if we schedule every other week?

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Yeah.

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And then every other week is scheduled, and in the weeks in between that, maybe there's one, maybe there isn't, which I know is hard to like, you know, it's not the the most convenient thing for a viewer, but ultimately if it's like gonna keep something sustainable, seem like it might work. So that way, that way there's there's scheduled things that are in the calendar, but they're not overwhelming. And then there's other opportunities to do things, but there's also no guilt if for some reason it doesn't happen or it's a different time or whatever, it's not like another way, another thing we could do is uh because the last episode so the last time we went live was September 22nd, but we did record an episode and then published it and did the like the live premiere.

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The premiere. That is also an option because we record that whenever we can and then it just goes out.

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That's that is an option. I think that could be a cool thing to have there. I do miss the the real time. It's I guess it depends. Because the cool thing about that is being able to focus 100% on a topic.

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Oh, come here closer. You're a little too far.

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I'm on the edge.

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You're already on the edge of life right now.

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This this is all the reasons we moved out of this.

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Oh, it's fine. There, it looks great.

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All right.

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Um so anyway, uh we're gonna figure it out.

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So those are my thoughts, but we also have like quite a brain trust here of people.

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So yeah.

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Yeah, Renee is here. Wow.

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Oh, hi, Renee.

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Wow. Um JFK. So there we go.

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Oh no, coffee. Oh, so good to see you all. So I don't know. Stay tuned as we figure it out.

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I mean, it doesn't have to be fully fleshed out. Like that's I know Heather works on an all-or-nothing thing.

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I have to we're streaming every day.

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Yeah. So it's it's this week where I'm like, why don't we schedule every other week and then just sit with that and add things as they naturally organically pop up over time.

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That's right. We'll figure it out. Yeah.

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Um, let's see. What did Bailey say? Do you think that part of the issue was that there was seemingly no one in sight? You could do, like, for instance, 10 weeks in a row, take a few breaks. Yeah, that's I mean, that's why I do that with the podcast. Um, is do the seasons where it's like I have this commitment for this set chunk of time and then a break, and then a commitment, break, commitment, break. Definitely um makes a difference. But the thing with the podcast is it's just me. So I I can just do whatever works for Justin. You know, you can be as selfish as I want with it because there's only it doesn't affect anybody else.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So uh the other question, let's see. Also, if you have questions, I don't know if there was a question already.

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I mean, there's there's a lot of comments to go back and check in on.

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Let's see. Uh hold on. Where have you been?

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Where have you been all my life?

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Hockey. And this is this is from the importance of taking a break from something to allow more margin in your life.

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Yeah. Oh my gosh, 100%. Because it's just we've done I think we've talked about this before, where it's like a blank day on the calendar isn't even necessarily a blank day.

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Yeah.

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It's just like, you know, you can feel tempted to fill every moment with something, but sometimes you kind of just need breathing room and you need there have been times over the past six months, I guess, that things have popped up, at least for me, where it's like, oh, I can say yes to this, and I couldn't have said yes to that, you know, if not just this, but if other things, because I've also like stuff, I've really haven't done like any sponsored stuff or anything. Like, I've really just like kind of shut all that down. Um, which then lets me say yes to other cool stuff because I'm not my time isn't taken up with these other things that you know it's like, oh, I can't do this thing I really want to do because I have to do something else. Not this necessarily, but other things.

SPEAKER_00

Well, do you want to catch up?

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Yeah. Gotta flex those streaming muscles. How does it work? How do you moderate the things? How do you, you know, how do we do this over here?

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Uh let's see. Scrolling through. Did I say hi to you, Mike?

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We can now.

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Hello. Uh I hope I don't miss anything. How deep for Mr. Camber Junkie, how deep have you dipped into your reserve set of videos? Your buffer.

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Yeah, especially I'm guessing you're talking about when I was sick.

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Uh yeah, so let's talk about that.

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Yeah, I mean, I I've fortunately always still had at least two videos ready, uh, which is really nice. But I like to three's kind of the sweet spot. If there's four, then it's like I almost feel disconnected from them because you make a video and it doesn't come out for like a month, and you're like, wait, what what was that? And things aren't things aren't even set up the same any like it's almost like too much time. Three is a sweet spot for me.

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If I can log in and see three videos scheduled, I feel like obscure tech put LCT240 party, and I was like, what does that mean? And I was like, microphones.

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Yes, because you know what, Mike, he got recently? Oh, this one right here. Yes.

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So that's the same one?

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No, I did a video about this one, which we did. This always this is the one that always won all the mic showdowns. And I couldn't I didn't use it that often because I couldn't mount it properly, but then I found this mount that's really great, and I made a whole video about this microphone and how great it is, and then which was not like a sponsored thing, and then Lewitt saw it, and it was funny because they were like, We sent a message to you like a year and a half ago, and I just I guess I didn't reply to it, which I would have because I like I would have, I just didn't see the message. Um, and she's like, It was so nice because we were gonna ask to do some sponsored stuff. She's like, But honestly, like nothing we could have done would have been better than this, which is a very nice compliment. I and um because in the comments of that video, people were like, if you love the 240, you need to try the 440. Um, which I was just gonna order, but then they just sent me the 440. So I have that here. Um, and I'm trying to use as much as I can so I can get used to it, and then I can do a video between them.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I feel like we should segue.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Uh oh wait, did you talk about your sickness thing?

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What what thing?

SPEAKER_00

Uh like when you had COVID.

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Yeah, it sucked. What else did you think?

SPEAKER_00

Like, uh okay, let's talk, let's talk about the first before we segue. So uh you got COVID in December.

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I got it on, I caught it on Thanksgiving.

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Yes. Oh, yeah, we did the turkey trot because I was trying to lower my cholesterol, it's trying to get us to be more active, and then we did the 5k turkey trot and realized, oh, there's a lot of people from here, or a lot of people here from out of town, and we're all no masking at the starting line. But I didn't get sick. I don't know. I didn't get COVID. I tested it every single day.

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We quarantined like once I figured out I had it, but that was like day three, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know.

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It just has an amazing. I also had this crazy cold this past week that like killed me. It's just a regular cold, and she got like a tiny sore throat for two days.

SPEAKER_00

I'll take it.

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And I've been which is When I was teaching, I had the best immunity in the world, never got sick.

SPEAKER_00

No question. So Tom is like, we'll just keep going, right? So I was surprised that when he got COVID, he actually got knocked down. Like but like you can keep going. Pick it up again. Yeah. Wow. So you had to stop because you there were a few days where it was bad.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, I couldn't. I couldn't do it. It was like day seven or so that I was starting to like do emails and stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, and then you were starting to get cabin fever. Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. That was really, really tough.

SPEAKER_00

Because we were really meticulous about it. I just stayed in our bedroom for 11 days, basically. I was in the guest room just hanging out.

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Which thankfully it's a nice room, but like, my God, you can't do anything. And yeah. And when it started.

SPEAKER_00

So were you nervous about like what was it like having to unexpectedly put your content creating business on pause for that long?

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It really showed me the benefit of having all these safety measures in place that I've been building up because they saved the day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no one even knew. No one should have known.

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Other than some very stuffy sounding podcasts and videos, no one would have really had a clue that anything was off.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Um, which was really nice. And it did ease the stress off of me because I didn't, you know, there were still videos coming out, there were still people enrolling in courses, there was still like like stuff was still happening, which wouldn't have gone on forever. It's not like you could just do that forever, but at least for that that chunk of time, you know, there's enough of a buffer. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

If you want more about this, you have a podcast episode on this. Do you know what it's called?

SPEAKER_02

It's from season nine. That's all I know. Only what, seven episodes into season nine. So it's one of those ones. I don't remember what it is titled. It's like I got COVID and it sucked, or something like that, was what I was gonna call it. Um, yeah, but ultimately ended up being a really good thing because it forced me to like um not to just take a break, but to you kind of need to get out of your element, right? Yeah, it sort of pushed me into different things, like different niches, different areas, because when you're just sitting there and you can't do anything, you're watching a lot of stuff, or at least I was like just consuming like so much stuff just to pass the time and try to get better. And then it ended up like turning into analytic or not analytics, but analysis mode, where it's like, why do I like this? What what is the common thread between these things?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he started writing essays in there.

SPEAKER_02

He had like drawing diagrams and laptops, yeah, notebooks.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, You're sick. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02

But but I couldn't make anything in that because what originally happened was when I first got sick, I was like, cool, I'll just catch up on all my favorite channels, which a lot of them are in my same niche, and so then it's people making videos that I would kind of like to make a version of it to make, yeah. And it was it's like just looking out the window at everyone playing, and you're stuck inside. So I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna watch any more of these right now because it's just bumming me out. I'm gonna just go off into like totally other areas, and that was great, it ended up being fantastic, yeah, yeah. And there was a whole podcast out, so I'm trying not to repeat too much.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, the the Bailey, season nine, episode nine. Oh, there you go. It's a good one if you have time.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, I'm in season. Wait, no, I'm not on season 10. I'm in season nine, right? I don't know what season I'm in. I'm in nine. But yeah, what getting covet taught me about YouTube. That's the episode.

SPEAKER_00

I think you're on ten.

SPEAKER_02

Am I on season? I'm not on season ten.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I wish you know anyway.

SPEAKER_00

Go listen to this episode. I think I think it it was uh I think it's something that a lot of people can relate to, especially when it comes to content creation. Because I think you know there's a lot of discussion in terms of like how we get started, figuring out your voice, then you have your content, then you you have your angle in the in the world of content, and it's just about maintaining and growing, but then keeping you inspired. Like sometimes you need an outside factor, be it sickness or you know, conference or meeting other people or whatever to kind of push you into the next level up. Um, and so I think there's a lot of great takeaways from that one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there Bailey said season eight, season nine. I I knew that, but I was really second guessing because I was like season 10. I was planning to like really celebrate at season 10. I was like there's no way I just got halfway through it and didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_00

So I wanted to ask you about how YouTube has changed in the last six months. Not just YouTube, like platform-wise, but just like culture, community, like any any changes that you've noticed.

SPEAKER_02

I I can share what I think, but I'd also be interested to notice what people here have noticed have seen.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like that'd be a a good I want to know what everyone thinks.

SPEAKER_02

That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_00

How are things different you know, 2022 versus 2023? Everything from you know how uh YouTube plays a part in people's lives and like in terms of like the subscriber to maybe I don't want to say trends, but maybe waves of content, you know. Yeah anything, anything.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, on from my point of view, yeah, um, it's almost the first time that I don't have an answer to that question because I've tried really hard to just kind of do my own thing and not think about that at all.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Which has been great. So I kind of don't know. Like I just watch what I watch, I make what I make, and that's kind of the end of it. Um, but from what I have seen and and you know, friends I've had, a big, big shift is in how it seems like how people are working with brands. I feel like the speaking generally, the relationship between like a creator and a brand and the audience, sort of that three, yeah, three-point like triangle relationship there, love triangle, um, is really at like a breaking point where brands, especially just economically, want as much, they want as much for as little as they can get, right? Ultimately, most of them do. And creators want as much as they can get with as much freedom as they can get. And the viewers, I think value is the key word, but ultimately, like a viewer doesn't want a commercial. Like, you don't really want, you know, I've even seen channels I love make really cool videos and had people seen people in the comments go, like, is this a review or commercial? Like, I can't tell. And they're not even being jerks, they're like trying to figure out like, are you are you being honest with me about this thing, or are you just telling me what someone paid you to say about it? And I think that there's a lot of tension in that relationship, and a lot of people are trying to figure out ways to deal with that in some way or other. And um, I don't think there's like solutions or anything yet, but it's it's been interesting to see. I feel like more and more people are saying no to brands and not just accepting everything that comes their way, and I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I don't know for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Mike says he got COVID two weeks ago, had to cancel everything.

SPEAKER_02

Oof. It's rough.

SPEAKER_00

Like Sean has COVID now, didn't get as bad, but had to take time off work.

SPEAKER_02

I hope you feel better soon, and it goes all the all the way away soon.

SPEAKER_00

I had three weeks in the pipeline. Now nothing for next week. Says oh no coffee. Oh no. Mike said he watched all of YouTube. So Lord. Hot tub lady ready for my second knee replacement surgery in a week. The first one stopped me cold. I had five weeks ready. I'm on week eight and haven't been behind camera, gonna be so far behind.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I hope knee stuff. I mean, I just like strained my knee and it knocked me out for a couple of weeks, and that sucked. And I was really scared it was something more serious because it kind of wasn't getting better for a while, and I'm so scared of knee surgery. But I hope that it, as much as the surgery sucks, it at least puts things in motion to then get better. Like, you know, I I had a a a coworker at an old job whose like husband was had chronic back pain and was just always miserable. And then he had back surgery, and she was complaining because she was like, he's in so much pain all the time, and it's just so miserable. It's like, yeah, but now he's going to be getting better. Before he was just in pain all the time. Now he's in pain, but he's actually going to start recovering. And he did, and then he was like, fine, but yeah, I don't know. It's so hard.

SPEAKER_00

Bailey says, completely stopped YouTube at the moment in year 11 at school. Got lots of exams coming up. Also got a part-time job, doing a lot more with my business. It's great. Busy regure education. I am seeing shorts get more views in regular videos. Not sure what that means for how I go forward with content. That's so funny. So, like, I was I was waiting for someone to bring up the shorts thing.

SPEAKER_02

Well, me too. But and I see obscure tech right below that. Admittedly, found a way to enjoy making them. I think that is a key point.

SPEAKER_00

I was about to say shorts, it feels wrong, but Amelia found a way to enjoy making them.

SPEAKER_02

If you can enjoy making them and not feel like it's the thing I have to make because YouTube's pushing it, that's big deal. It's like live streaming. You could live stream, it doesn't mean you have to live stream all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So so with shorts, this is just my opinion. But I still don't I I know my YouTube viewing habits are very different, like even just compared to Tom. So I don't know, this is just based off of my experience, but I still think that yes, shorts get more views, but their conversion is nothing compared to long form video. And not long form video in terms of live streams, right? It it's like you just said, these are all different types or formats of content. There's shorts, there's let's call them regular videos, regular YouTube videos, there's live streams, there's stories, there's community posts, whatever. These are all different formats, and I think that they could and should be used for different circumstances. But like I I just know so many people who get like so many views on shorts, and then you go to their actual channel or you peek in the comments, and the I just feel like the community component isn't there.

SPEAKER_02

For the most part, but I think I I think I I agree if you can find a way, like we talked about a minute ago, to enjoy making them, yeah, and they serve some sort of purpose, even if you do just have like a shorts channel, but it's it's like cohesive, but I I have seen people, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head other than maybe like obscure tech and stuff, but where the shorts do supplement the other stuff, and so it's like, oh, you know what? Hockey's a great example. Um, because I've been trying to like learn more about like stick handling and puck handling and stuff, and there's a there's some amazing channels out there, and there are a few channels I watch that have a lot of shorts where it's just one quick drill and one quick thing. It's like I really don't need to watch a 12-minute video about this. Your 45 seconds is amazing. Show me what to do, and then let me go do it. And that's actually kind of cool. And I found myself thinking, great, I just wish they weren't mixed in with the feed of everything else because what I don't like is going through my subscription feed and it's just 8,000 shorts before I get to like an actual video, short, short, short, video, like that part, separate that.

SPEAKER_00

I I I'm convinced that Instagram and YouTube are just trying to compete for when I feel like TikTok inevitably like I don't know, just implodes on itself. And so I feel like there's a lot of pressure on them as business entities to be the new TikTok and you know uh replace that or fulfill that constant scroll of short form content. But also I feel like it I I just feel like with the discovery so far from what I've seen, I haven't, you know, to be fair, haven't scrolled through YouTube shorts like the discovery where you just kind of endlessly scroll. I haven't gone through that, but I do it on Instagram pretty often. And it just I find myself dipping in and dipping out so fast because it just feels like New York Times Square, where we're everywhere you look, there's something interesting, but it's nothing that like I intentionally sought out. It's just kind of like here's this, here's this, here's this. All of this is happening, all of it is very interesting, and like, you know, sure you could look at it, but also it's you know, it's different from like I'm really interested in what they're selling at this store, what you know, what this group is getting together for. Let's, you know, focus on this topic versus just random stuff. Right. Chaos. Yeah. And and I feel like the conversion, if you just pop up in a random generated feed, like there's no one's gonna seek out the the creator. I feel like that discovery still has to get uh tweaked on term in terms of the platform, but I do feel like I I see why YouTube and Instagram are pushing it so much, but I feel like you know, in terms of the longevity of content creators, I think just stick to like a solid portfolio, like have the portfolio about the thing that you want to be known for, and then supplement with live streams and shorts and all that. That's what I think. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Drew says I've seen a big dialing back from a large amount of YouTube creators instead of the daily weekly upload schedule. I've seen a larger gap between video drops, which has surprised me.

SPEAKER_00

I've I've seen a lot of people notice that as well, even in the gaming space. This person was like, I just checked in on like 50 channels, and all of them have been uploaded, all of them haven't uploaded it in a couple months. And I was like, huh.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean I wonder why that is. It's very it's definitely felt like the last year. So we've talked about before is like a big transition shift point. Um, JFK says, here in Jamaica, fast internet has developed further, and because of that, stuff like YouTube has overtaken cable TV. Super interesting. Legit, don't watch TV anymore, not even for sports, it's YouTube. Yeah, I mean, it's like I don't even know. Oh, we're watching the crown. I don't know why else we have Netflix. Like, there's no need. It's just like a security blanket at this point because we've always had Netflix. But like, even that, I don't know, it's just replaced. We're at my parents' house and they have YouTube TV, which is crazy. It's not a thing I would expect, but yeah, I know, right? Yeah, but it's just like, oh, we've just come full circles going into those brick and mortar Amazon bookstores. We're like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we're back.

SPEAKER_02

What was oh oh, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I had an unrelated comment, but I will so Mike says, I'm getting the impression that camera channel hosts are getting bored of reporting how awesome new releases are, especially the ones that review lenses and cameras.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. So I think the perfect antidote to this, in terms of somebody who's been doing it for a long time, is Caleb Pike. Um, and I know he said I watched a stream with him last year where he said he wanted to, he never does sponsor stuff anyway. He like sponsors himself through his courses and things, so his videos never have sponsors, but he still does like timely stuff, so camera releases, lenses, and he he did a live stream last year where he said he wanted to start doing less of that and more of just what he thought was interesting. And he's been doing really fun stuff. Like, I know people sometimes give him crap for it, but he did like the 3D printed SM7B where it's like you could take a hundred dollar microphone and put it in this thing, and now it looks like an SM7B, which is like it's fun. It's not, you know, it's not scientific, it's not whatever, but it's fun. He did a video last week about painting your cameras and like how to he was painting all his cameras white, but he was explaining like how to just paint your camera. And and he actually went into a whole thing at the end too of like, it's not going to make you a better photographer, better filmmaker, a videographer, but if you do something that makes you excited to use your tools, then you'll want to use them more, and then you will become better because you're using the things more. And I think he's in a lot of videos of that type over the past, not just painting things or making stuff, but things that are sort of not with the trends and just sort of in his own sphere. And he's got a pretty big channel, and it's kind of cool to see someone who's been doing it for well over a decade with a large channel sort of pivot back to the kind of things that he was excited about 10 years ago. And I think that's what's happened with a lot of people. The initial enthusiasm for this stuff has gotten replaced with like almost being like coverage, yeah, press coverage, obligatory new release and a new this and a new that.

SPEAKER_00

And obligation is not the same as enthusiasm, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and and it it starts, it's so hard because it starts naturally feels the same, feels very similar. I can fully remember the early DSLR video days, not that's his channel, but I mean like when DSLR shot video, the early days of that a new camera would come out, and I would be like lots of people would be searching forums and YouTube for people who are like, Oh, I actually got one. Like my camera shop had one, here it is, here's what it looks like, here's how it works. I'm gonna do it. Like, it was sort of that excitement, which naturally then led into companies saying, Hey, we're going to come out with something, let us give it to you in advance, which then led into sort of like that on steroids, and then the enthusiasm, everyone's just a wing of a marketing department for a corporation at a certain point. You're like, wait, that's not what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so obscure tech said this. Sadly, pull shorts pull in much less ad revenue. Do you remember off the top of your head? Because we talked about this.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I have a short, it drives me crazy. I actually like the info it puts out, otherwise, I would delete it.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, okay, sorry. To finish my last thought about the shorts, one of the anecdotal stories I have to like, this is why it doesn't, this is why I don't feel like it translates to any community, is because Kat came to visit Cat Mobile Hill. Shout out to her, that was super fun. Um, but of course, we all kind of just chat on YouTube. We talked about shorts, and I have a reel on Instagram because I feel like if you made a short or if you made a reel, both platforms are so eager to like get the get you to feel like this is the thing that you need to do, so that it just gets pushed. And I made a reel using an Instagram template, which I don't even know. I don't know what this is, right? I plugged in the videos, it was just Tom and I ice skating. It's it's not it's just ice skating footage. That's all it is. There's no tricks, there's no like it's just ice ice skating, that's all it is. Um, there's not even talking, like it's just on top of you. Yeah, there's music and that's it. And to this day, it gets new likes. It has, I don't know, couple thousand views, but like 700 likes or something insane. Something that I don't for my uh account, I don't usually get, but it's just it keeps it continues to get pushed out. I don't know how many people have actually translated over to a follower. Right. And even if they did, what a bizarre introduction.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you're not gonna get more of that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Like that that's just the thing that we did.

SPEAKER_02

But you were saying because you used their template, you thought it was getting pushed out more.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and so I I feel like both Instagram and YouTube, I can't prove this, but I feel like both of them are so eager for like to be the next, to be the replacement TikTok, that they're doing what TikTok did, which is like kind of inflate your views, or like if you're a new, I don't know if this is true, but I heard that if you were a new user on TikTok, new creator on TikTok, your your new reels would get insane amounts of views. And I remember seeing on Twitter like all these YouTube creators, like same video on YouTube got you know a thousand views, same video on TikTok got several tens of thousands, you know, hundreds of thousands of views. And I was like, yeah, but but what's who cares about views? Like, throw views out the window. What does that mean? You know, like what do you want at the end of the day? And and I I feel like I don't know, I feel like YouTube has a it's just easier to build a community, but my point is that I feel like the the platforms are just so eager to have it work that well, I mean there's some weird there's definitely weird juju happening and then also with like revenue, I think it's yeah, so then we talked about revenue.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's cool that YouTube is putting revenue on shorts, but I mean obviously like they did like a month ago, two months ago, one February, right? Beginning of February.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so like a month and a half ago.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but you know, there's just no way that a short from someone's making something 15 seconds is going to pull in the ad revenue of something that's potentially hours long. Like it's it's so different.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. So I don't have the. I don't know how it works.

SPEAKER_02

What I do know is I have a handful of shorts. Um, and my most successful one.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. How many shorts do you have?

SPEAKER_02

Maybe like seven. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So he has like seven shorts, and you have how many videos?

SPEAKER_02

440.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so W this short that you're talking about, when did you publish this?

SPEAKER_02

This was probably last summer. But it didn't really do anything until like recently.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And so in the in the past couple weeks, it's gotten 43,000 views.

SPEAKER_00

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_02

And are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_00

43,000 views on this short. Yeah. Which is about what?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it's about uh how to clean your app, your MacBook Pro keyboard.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so not really related to audio video.

SPEAKER_02

You know, it's it's adjacent.

SPEAKER_00

It's you doing what you do.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Okay. I hope you, you know, I don't know if you got any destination vacations in mind, but that is pulled in.

SPEAKER_00

Wait. Are we talking total cumulative or just in the past 20 years? 43,000. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So I don't know what the cumulative is.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So at 43,000 views, how much money have you made?

SPEAKER_02

$1.57. Before tax. Before tax.

SPEAKER_00

A quarter.

SPEAKER_02

I want to look up this actually got me curious. I want to look at my worst performing video from last year.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and compare it to that.

SPEAKER_02

Which has now it has 9,000 views. Um but that video took a long time to get there. That video has earned $65.

SPEAKER_00

That's your worst performing video.

SPEAKER_02

But and $65, not a ton. But that's like exponentially more for a fraction of the views.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. See? And so like not that it's about the money, but I know that you know you're trying to incentivize creators to create shorts because now they're monetized. But 43,000 views for a dollar? I mean, we have friends who have like you can literally walk the street and get a dollar faster.

SPEAKER_02

Well, um, we we have friends who have like essentially shorts focused channels, and they've gotten, you know, tens of millions of views total, maybe even a month. And I don't know what their revenue is, but I'd definitely be interested to know like it's different. Okay, 43,000 is one thing, but what if you're one of those channels that you do get only those shorts views a month? Does that does that translate into what? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Is your rate different? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Not that and that's again like the revenue is not the reason to do any of this stuff in the first place, but that's the case. Monetization of shorts has been a big topic of conversation. And then people were mad because they're like, What? No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00

Uh Ono Coffee says the shorts have helped with subscribers, but I don't know if they'll contribute to watch time or accounts for revenue. I don't know. But it's separated.

SPEAKER_02

You're like you can see. But the subscriber, you still it you could still potentially end up as this is a channel with a huge number of subscribers, but every time they upload a non-short video, they get, you know, a hundred views.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Or people don't watch the whole video or something.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I feel do your own thing is a trend. Let's focus on the strategy of creating.

SPEAKER_02

And that's a that's a trend that I think booktube.

SPEAKER_00

Three years COVID-free. Same here, Kathy. Oh yeah. Despite being in school for most of the time. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02

But see, I think teachers and I know teachers and have really good immune systems. My first year of teaching, I was the first year and a half, I was sick constantly. And then I was like, not sick again. Pretty much the rest of the time that I taught, maybe once. And now I just catch everything all the time.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, do you plan on looking into using the new podcast feature on YouTube?

SPEAKER_02

I need to learn more about it. I think YouTube needs to learn more about it. Um, there's some really cool stuff. I think it's very exciting. The part that I'm most excited about, though, is it sounds like they will at some point let you import existing RSS feeds, which like I don't personally want to create a new podcast on YouTube because it yeah, I just don't want to. But for people like myself and anyone who's had a show for a long time, you've got all these episodes. Now it sounds like you could potentially then have access to YouTube as a as a podcast directory, as a platform, even if it's an audio only episode. To me, that's really exciting. And I I love that.

SPEAKER_00

So, what are the so if there is a video attached, it'll just be like a thing on top.

SPEAKER_02

I I don't know for sure. So, like right now, you can create a new playlist and you can mark it as a podcast, but it can just be whatever videos, like I don't know what counts as a podcast and doesn't. Um, but yeah, in theory, you could upload a video podcast to YouTube and then there's a video there, but your audio one would be part of like YouTube music, and it's almost I think like how Spotify does it. Like, if there's a video, it'll play the video, if there's only audio, it'll just show you the audio. And that's cool. I'm really excited about that.

SPEAKER_00

Drew says you need to come out with a buck puck. And I totally agree. Yeah, no, that'd be awesome. Raphael's here.

SPEAKER_02

Yay.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, over the last decade, I've never heard anyone say I should delete YouTube, it's wasting too much time. But now, I still have never heard that. I haven't I've heard social media, but I've never heard delete YouTube.

SPEAKER_02

But I'm curious if Raphael's butt now means like if it becomes like TikTok or Reels.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's the shorts thing. Hey, Kevin. Uh, I feel like we as creators need to do what feels best for us and the audience that wants that content will find it. Taking in too many opinions, you might end up just spinning a risky.

SPEAKER_02

I agree a thousand percent. It's it's so hard to then triangulate. You know, I see people go into their analytics. Some people have the brain for it, but you know, they just drive themselves crazy, like there's a dip in retention here. And that's when I showed, I don't know, this like blue shirt on camera. So maybe there should be no blue shirts at four minutes and 57 seconds that will increase. It's like you're gonna go crazy. Just make a good video, like just make the best video you can.

SPEAKER_00

Uh JFK says TikTok won't implode. It's the driving force for a lot of underrated musicians where I'm from, and I guess all over the world. I'm talking specifically about the US, though.

SPEAKER_02

There's the constant talk of banning it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like I it's still a it's still like an issue being discussed.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm I don't have enough info to really have an opinion about that.

SPEAKER_00

But I, yeah. That's what I'm referring to.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I'm sure the platform will keep going, but I don't know if the biggest thing I've seen, which I kind of agree with, is instead of banning platforms, have people who aren't a thousand year old, thousand years old, look into data privacy laws. And that way it's not just like we're gonna ban this platform, and then something else could pop up, does the exact same thing. Let's make sure that like as a whole it can't get to the point where it's even something you need to worry about banning. Right. But you know, that'll probably never happen.

SPEAKER_00

I think if us not for it loving boomers use it to do setups or post caps of our long form videos can be a nice tandem.

SPEAKER_02

True. Post those to TikTok.

SPEAKER_00

Hot to Lesias shorts are not my favorite. However, they have kept my channel alive while I'm on this downtime.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, stories are the closest thing I really do to shorts regularly, and I love oh, this. I shouldn't say that shorts don't need there's people who put like I think of someone like Zach King, you're putting budgets into your shorts. But something like a story is so quick and so easy and so stress-free that it's like there are plenty of times where I can't make a video or make something, but I can still actually make and share something just super quickly through that, and that's cool.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I I only have heard this through you, but like everyone's switching to DaVinci Resolve.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there's I have a lot of thoughts on this. Um, and I love Resolve. I have zero negative things to say about Resolve. I Adobe is the worst, like their software is the best. Well, not the best, but a lot of the software is amazing. Their subscription model is the literal worst, and it's awful. Um, and people are tired of it, and especially because Premiere is a tricky program to use reliably for a lot of people, and Resolve's a great option. Um, but I think there's also there's a hundred percent a monkey see, monkey do thing happening.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I kind of feel that too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like maybe, you know, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'll just keep my uh I see multiple people say creators seem burnt out. Lots of creators talking about ting breaks. Uh let's see. Hey, filmtopia.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, someone who's been busy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's cool. Rah. Sup.

SPEAKER_02

We did get um season tickets to our local hockey team, which some of you know, but um there are other season ticket holders in front of us and like the dad of the group. It it's not that he looks there's something about him that just reminds me of you.

SPEAKER_00

Us of it.

SPEAKER_02

So every time I see them, I just think it's Ryan.

SPEAKER_00

I think of you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Sometimes they wear a big bright red wig. So I don't know if that's you.

SPEAKER_00

Uh let's see. Meta's demonetizing rules, really? I don't know, they're laying off like everybody's. Uh yes.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, speaking of people who might want to need to switch to resolve. Uh see Drew, for me personally, my channel is built to share my photography with people for a long period of time. Straight from content doesn't make sense. I love that um, I love when you post the like the meetings you've had with Jared Pollen. He does like feedback, critique, consulting sessions with like a big photo youtuber, but then just post them up on the channel.

SPEAKER_00

That's really cool to like see this this is how I feel about it. Shorts feel like fast food, junk food. Adults know it's unhealthy waste of time, but it's the responsibility of an individual how they consume it. Right. And the companies are gonna do whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Like sometimes you do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But I don't know. I have a short from a week ago that has 1.3k views and I made six cents. Don't spend it all. Well, that's like more than or is that the same rate?

SPEAKER_02

My RPM is four cents. So you're um you're on you're on the high end of show.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Eleven eleven cents. You're in Oh, wait, I was in a dollar. You're in double digits. I mean, it's you know I think a lot of us here started YouTube thinking we would never make any money, so 11 cents is 11 cents more than ever thinking you're making, but you know, YouTube is the best of the monetize monetizable platforms, and so it's a worth a worthwhile conversation to have.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, I've I I mean I think it's definitely worth discussing. 11 Hate Resolve. Do you say this a lot? If you're doing gear shame.

SPEAKER_02

Um no, uh, because this I always be clear. Oh, Adobe software is great. I mean, premiere is rough because it's so bones are fine.

SPEAKER_00

It's like an unreliable friend.

SPEAKER_02

The concept is amazing. The execution is rough because it's just it's it's old. Um, and Adobe Software is great. It's just, and and part of this, I've talked about it before, but when I was a teacher, this wasn't my job, but literally 25%, no joke, of my time ended up being dedicated to Adobe Enterprise and Education Licensing admin.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And it's an it was a constant nightmare. And it's like this could just not have to be this way, but it is because Adobe is the worst. And then somebody, somebody pointed out I did a tutorial on Final Cut Pro recently, and someone in the comments was like, oh, too bad this had to be Final Cut. I'm not rich and have you know the money for Final Cut Pro. And I was like, okay, it's $300. I bought it in 2012 for $300.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're definitely milking it out.

SPEAKER_02

It's fine, it's really pretty fair.

SPEAKER_00

You built a whole business off of Final Cut Pro.

SPEAKER_02

It is, it is definitely worth the investment. And then I was like, in that same amount of time I have spent, I added up my Adobe license, over $4,000 on Adobe. Like, you know, just saying. Yeah. But I love I love audition and Photoshop. But audition and Photoshop are my two favorite Adobe's.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Uh DJ Ware says, I use my channel to teach, shorts just don't work for me. I feel like they are super appropriate for, like, if you can figure out the format or the um like the circumstance to use the that format for your thing, I feel like it could really work. It's just like live streaming. It's hard to explain to somebody who doesn't know, you know, nothing about nothing. It's like, what are the differences between YouTube videos and live streams? There's a huge difference, but it's like really hard to explain in like one sentence. And I feel like that's the same with shorts. If the there is a huge difference, and and I feel like there are like if you were to ask me, should I should I make this a short or should I make this whole YouTube video? I can give you a pretty you know confident answer depending on the circumstance, but I think figuring out what that is is hard because it's different for everybody.

SPEAKER_02

I think of it like a tool in a toolbox. Yeah, you have you have a hammer or a saw or something, it doesn't mean you only use the hammer or the saw, but when you need it, it's there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. Uh let's see. Uh Steven Martin says, I've been busy packing my bag for a day of photography tomorrow. I use shorts as an advert for my normal videos. I love Resolve and so happy to have switched from Adobe.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I have nothing bad to say about Resolve. I think it's great software.

SPEAKER_00

Resolve is nice because you can buy hardware and get the license included.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, that's true. Like they have controller key, like controller keyboards to do everything with, and when you buy those, you just get the software. The software is free, but some of it's a little bit limited, and then you get the unlimited one. And it's like Final Cut, even if it's you pay for it 300 bucks one time done, same as Final Cut.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, we're caught up. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I just had fun talking. Yeah. See, that's what that's another thing of not having like a specific topic is like we just get to hang out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I know, but I just want to make sure that if there was anything that you wanted to not related to that. Oh, go ahead. We're here.

SPEAKER_02

No, it's it was it was about a camera. It's not oh it was something we talked about like a while ago that popped up where it was the Amazon bookstore, how we came back to Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, so like a year ago, DJI came out with this camera. Peter has one, but I don't have anything like it. It's a big cinema camera, and it basically has a gimbal built on the front of it, which is kind of cool. Like there's not been a camera like that before. They hyped it up as like the best thing since sliced bread, and then you kind of never really heard anything about it. They they had all these promises of like we're gonna have new attachments and new updates and new this, and a lot of people thought they just kind of discontinued it after all that. Some people use it and liked it, but they didn't. But recently, I think like two weeks ago, they came out with this update where um it's almost I think it's kind of based on what they did with the cameras for Top Gun, even though those weren't DJI, where you have the camera and then you have a long cable, so you then have like a box with the sensor in it and your lens. So you can take that and put it somewhere else, and you know, you can mount it in different ways, and you don't have to put the giant camera and everything, you just put the thread there. And people are like, oh my god, this is amazing! YouTube is flooded with it. But I was like, okay, here's the thing though. If you look up any TV camera from like the 1970s, it's the exact same thing where like someone wore a sash that had like a videotape recorder on their side in into the 80s, and then the thing that they were holding had a cable that went to it and was just the lens and the camera. So it'd come full circle, it'd come full circle because it's like um DJI sent sent it out these backpacks where it's like the camera mounts in the backpacks, you wear the backpack and then you have it here, and now you have the camera slung up here, and you can just thing. I'm like, it's just I there's a purpose for it, there's a very specific need for that and to do cool stuff with. But I was like, also, this has been around for like forever. It was the first way that this stuff existed, and you just went back to it. Um, and I found that really funny. And then because the camera's so big, people were like taking the little box part. Basically, they're like this. They're like, Look, I have, you know, here instead of the whole camera, I just have this part with the sensor, and then I can put this lens on it, and now I have I have just this lens right here that I can hold, and and I have the thing right there, and it's like, yeah, yo, like camera. This is what that is. It's a whole thing. I know it doesn't have everything else, like it's not apples to apples, and if you're in it was it made me laugh because it was coming full circle, but it was also like from DJI's perspective, they took something which is a very practical but very niche need in like an industry or a market. Like, there's a reason that a big camera like Net needs that feature. And there are some people, an actual production filming in cars, for example. Like there are times when you would need that kind of thing, but all over YouTube, it was just like, oh my god, like really is this what you're gonna like film with every day? No, never again after making this video. And it just made me laugh because it was like reinventing the mirrorless camera. And I sorry, I just and you just saw it all happen, and it just happened in real time, and then I remembered the old uh like the old camera setups. When they showed the backpack, I was like, no, literally, you would wear like it was like a giant VCR, the cable to like the camera with the lens on it. And that's where the person, and then it was such a it was such an innovation when there was a camera where it was like it was all it was basically like look like this. Because these were like two pieces, and you would have you would take this part and connect it to the recorder part, and it was like you have it all in one. It's just funny to me.

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I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

It's not related to our discussion, but see, see, Tom really likes this stuff. He'll go on and on. Sorry, it's it really is your thing.

SPEAKER_02

It is, it's Ben's thing, too.

SPEAKER_00

It's Ben's thing, he's very excited about it. Well, okay, I know we're over time, but I wanted to ask you like, was this your sixth year now? Oh, this is officially your two years full time.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, this week is two years of leaving teaching.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02

That's crazy. Um, six years, yes, this is year six.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um on year seven, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

I know. Did you think that you would be doing it this long?

SPEAKER_02

Yes. But I didn't know. So it was like, am I making 3D printing videos for five people? I don't know. But I didn't think it would be this. This is crazy. Yeah. This is way better than anything I could have imagined.

SPEAKER_00

So have you have you noticed any, like to close out, have you noticed any uh or whether it's like from the audience side or from how you feel about your channel from September to today, any differences? Like even, you know, maybe it's comments, maybe it's uh your, you know, the way you approach how you come up with ideas, or comments are their whole thing, but I'll say like trusting your gut to do the thing that you want to do.

SPEAKER_02

Like to we've talked about it ad nauseum and it's very cliche, but like put the you in YouTube. Like it's your channel, don't try to make it somebody else's channel or do exactly what somebody else does. Be inspired, be motivated, get ideas from other places, but ultimately do what you want to do. And a big, big thing I learned while I was sick and watching other stuff was um coming to not only accept but embrace imperfection. And you know, like I've I've done videos, a lot of videos lately with like yeah, like the wabi-sabi of things, but also I've been doing title cards and videos lately that are terrible. Like they're I know, I know graphic design-wise, technically, they're really bad. There's pixelation, there's bad sound effects, there's bad green screen, it's all terrible, and I love them, and it's exactly what they should be. And it's like this is really fun, and it's you know, like I guess this could be better, and I could make it look like it's you know, Skywalker Sound did it or something, but I kind of like this, and like you know, I don't know. Like just having fun and making what you need to make and absolutely embracing the, you know, sometimes it is funny to like zoom in on a part of the frame so far that it becomes crazy pixelated and blurry, and like it That's part of the the humor, it's part of the humor, but it's also like it's illustrating, or sometimes okay, that's a humor thing, sometimes illustrating a point, you know. I right showing the roadcaster or something, and I really need to crop in on a part of the screen, but it's going to be a little fuzzy because I didn't plan to do that when I filmed it. So, what's better? Not doing that because it's not 4K crystal clear, or just accepting that it's gonna be a little blurry, but it's going to get the info across. Like nobody's cares that it's blurry.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And that like except and the one person that does just needs to go. Yeah. There you go. All right.

SPEAKER_02

All right. Uh, for the record, I love watching to have conversations as much as I love your actual video. That's really nice.

SPEAKER_01

Yay.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you. Uh, and Paul said there's an education discount for Final Cut Pro that includes yeah, it includes Final Cut, Motion, and Logic. And if you are a student teacher, even at the college level, I think it's like $175 for all of them forever. That's a pretty good deal. Um Yeah. So sorry, don't there's so many interesting comments. I agree, the unpolished video feels. Like feels for like a conversation. Well, feels more like a conversation. At some point, it'd be interesting to hear your take on canon out of the large fillet. Yeah. Um, so a lot of my take is very similar. I'm gonna give a plug to a new podcast that I've discovered recently called 16 Stops.

SPEAKER_00

16 Stops. I like it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, with uh Josh Satin and Brandon Talbot. Josh used to be a high school teacher, also. Then he ran a farming YouTube channel that got up to like 200 something YouTube channels or channels, subscribers, and then he shut that down and has a camera channel that's you know growing as well, but not at that point, but just camera nerds, and they have a podcast. And Josh is somebody who has every camera system, and his co-host Brandon is a canon person, not because he doesn't recognize the value of other systems, but because he's very, very invested in Canon. And even if he would want to change, it just doesn't make sense to like he'd lose so much money changing can camera systems. Um, and they have a lot of really interesting discussions. I think it's maybe even the first episode of their podcast is called Why Everyone's Switching to Sony. They dive into this topic a lot, and a lot of it is just like yes, preach, I agree with everything you're saying, but um yeah, I mean, Canon cameras are amazing. Like, I don't have a problem with that. It's the prices and the marketing that are terrible. Well, even the prices aren't that terrible. Micro HDMI is terrible. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00

All right.

SPEAKER_02

Alrighty. Is it time to clear the table?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think so. Unless you have anything else. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_02

No, I have this. Uh this was the the Insta360 link camera. Oh no, let's zoom out. Sorry, this is so uncomfortable. There we go. Hello. I like it. Yeah, it's fun. I know I hope it doesn't make people motion sick, but it was kind of a fun like outro segment. So you know.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_02

What's it?

SPEAKER_00

The colors are so different.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Uh it's actually really good though for like a tiny webcam.

SPEAKER_00

No, I like it's like it.

SPEAKER_02

It's actually, yeah, it looks kind of nice there. Yeah. I have a hard time getting the colors right for both of us. Okay. Because our skin's so different.

SPEAKER_00

It's okay.

SPEAKER_02

But we're all here.

SPEAKER_00

Doing great.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, it's time to clear. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Uh, last two things. Um, oh yeah, Mihaul is here. Introvert amateur, were you able to look into Peter's Final Cut Pro course and a pair of different approaches? Yes. So Peter and I came up with the idea of our courses at the same time independently, which is essentially the thesis behind both of them, which literally was like, I had this idea, he had this idea, and then we're like, hey, I think I want to make it. Oh, you and the idea was Final Cut Pro is a big program that's hard to teach. It's scary to think of covering everything. So instead of covering everything as like the user guide, just teach how we use it. Yeah. And so it's a course on how I use it, a course on how he uses it. And at that point, too, the two courses, even about Final Cut Pro, aren't the same because it's too different.

SPEAKER_00

The way they use it is totally different. It's totally different.

SPEAKER_02

And Peter's course is more expensive than mine, but it's also way more in-depth. His is closer to being a complete user guide. Um, and it's great. Like, you know, he we were working on our courses sort of together and like sharing, sharing them and things, which is cool. Um, his course is awesome. I think it's fcps.academy, if you want to check that out. And mine is learnfinalcutpro.com. Can't believe that was available. Uh Reapel Room, completely on off topic. Last question, I guess. How long do you keep the boxes? All your sort of gear comes in. P.S. Great to see you in action. You never say boxes, right? Before.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think maybe I give it two weeks. And then I and then there's no need.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I um it depends on kind of what it is. Like, I I don't really sell gear. Um, but sometimes something like a computer, I feel like I don't know if it's like $4,000. I don't know if I'm gonna need the box for some reason. Um, but otherwise it's kind of like the return period, or yeah, if it's yeah, once it's past the return period, I'll recycle the box, or if it's something that I think I might be shipping or sending to someone at some point. Um, which happens a lot with like different pieces of gear and microphones and stuff where it's, you know, if I keep this for a year and then send it to someone, it's way nicer to ship it through the mail if it's in its actual packaging where it's safe and secure versus not. But I never know, you know, it's like I don't really plan on doing that. So I've been trying to get rid of I've been trying to get rid of gear as much as possible. Alrighty. I guess now it is time to clear the table.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's time to clear the table.

SPEAKER_02

So do we know when we're coming back?

SPEAKER_00

I I mean I think we should plan for Thursday at one.

SPEAKER_02

Which Thursday?

SPEAKER_00

Where's my phone?

SPEAKER_02

Well that was the question. Is it next or next next? Oh I was getting a spam call right now, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh I can do either.

SPEAKER_02

Well, let me look at my calendar. This is what we're gonna do. We're just gonna look at our calendars now. Um I could I could be here next Thursday.

SPEAKER_01

We could. Could we could.

SPEAKER_02

We'll we'll schedule it in the tentatively plan for next Thursday. Yeah. I like that. All right. Um well, thank you so much for being here. Oh I hope you all have a safe, happy, healthy rest of your week. It's great to see everybody, great to chat, everyone. Ben can tell, you know, Ben can tell that we're getting ready to leave.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, he just left.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, he just left. Anyway, hope you guys have a safe, happy, healthy rest of your week. There's Ben over there. I bet. And we will see you.

SPEAKER_00

Bye everybody next time.

SPEAKER_02

Bye bye.