In-Person Events In 2022!

We just got back from our first in-person meetup in two years. How did it go? Will we go to any other events this year?

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We're gonna change it to be more festive. Yo, yo, yo, what's up, Jared? Peter's here. Roger's here. Curiosity Network Podcast. Chris is in progress, Spiral Lab, Roger, Drew. Good to see you all. Thank you for being here. So today we are going to talk about in-person events in 2022. Also, I would like to uh set the goal that we have a just create more in-person event in 2023. Can we just manifest this? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yes. So uh that's what we're talking about because we I mean we haven't gone to uh like an event with other people since 2019.

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Yes.

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And the last event I went to one a little later because early March 2020, I went to like a student trip to Northern California for a few nights, and that was right like a week before everything shut down. Uh and that was it was actually in um oh crud, I can't think of the county. Santa Santa Clara County. It was where like the the the buggies, the beasties entered the like United States to the West Coast. A lot of it was in like this one Northern California county, and it was where we were at that time. So luckily we were all okay, but yeah, then the world shut down. And we haven't done anything since. And so it's been very, you know. Obviously, you've all been around through this, so there's events that have been scheduled over the past couple years and they get canceled, they get postponed, or they get toned down or whatever. And last weekend we went to our very first one, which was connected to social media marketing world, which is a conference that's happening this week in San Diego. And the eCamm knew that a bunch of people who use ECAM are probably gonna go to that conference, so they set up their own special event a couple days before. Uh, like uh well, actually, two the two days before there were things eCamm related, and so we didn't go to social media marketing world, it would have been fun, but we didn't go to that. We just went to the eCamm events, but that was our first time in spaces with other people, yeah, and handshakes, and it was very strange, but it felt really, really nice, yeah, and we're still feeling pretty healthy, so that's good. Yeah, um, that was like our little canary in the coal mine for how does it feel to go to things?

SPEAKER_03 5:22

So, how does it feel?

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I mean, okay. Let's be real health anxiety aside. Well, should we talk about health anxiety?

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Or well, I don't know. Let's yeah.

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I mean, that was navigating it is weird because people you want to take photos with them, and literally some people are just like, get in here, like ah, and other people are like, Oh, are you are you okay?

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Are we doing like are we doing masks?

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Are we doing elbows, whatever? Um, and it's like, you know, at this point, honestly, I've had all the shots you can get. We we mask up a lot, um, but you just kind of just went at it and we'll see.

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Yeah.

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So far, so good. Um but aside from that part of it, the part of like connecting with people and being around people and sharing stuff was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Yeah. Um I think because obviously we're not it's not over, right? Like COVID is still a thing. Um but it's it's finding this balance between like I don't know, just what we're comfortable with.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I think the reason why we were okay, at least for me for this particular event, is because I knew it wasn't gonna be thousands of people. Yeah, it wasn't a convention. Uh social media marketing world is a huge event, but you know, we were only planning to go to the the eCamp meetup, which was significantly smaller. Uh, I mean, there's still like a hundred people there, but um, it was a you know key hundred people that we really wanted to meet, and then like everyone else will catch you on the next one. Uh and um yeah, so far we're still okay. We're not um we're not saying that COVID is not a thing, it's still something that we are paying attention to.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

But we navigated this one event as carefully as we could. That's all we're saying.

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Yeah, exactly.

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As carefully and precautious as we could. And precocious.

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But but we are now open to other events.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Um well it's kind of opening, you know, it's like okay. I I I've seen footage from South by Southwest, which has been happening this week, and I've seen people going into events there where it's like you get tested before you go in.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah. Um, and it seems like, well, at least the stuff I saw seemed like it was working really well and pretty quick and wasn't whatever. And it's like at that point, if you know everyone's testing negative and you've got all your shots and you're, you know, washing hands, wearing masks, it's like, well, you've done all you can, you know. Yeah, there's there were a few things happening earlier this year where um like family members are having medical things where it was like we kind of isolated ourselves because I want to be able to be there for that. And now that that stuff is over, it's not that I don't care, but I'm a little less paranoid about like you know, being Howard Hughes.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Um, yes, it was fun. Um, Obbs is anxious about being around others.

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For me, that was pre-COVID though.

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So uh let's see, Homesick Mac is here, Josh is here, good to see you. Uh James, what are you gonna meet? That was awesome. So great seeing you this weekend. Wish we could have stayed longer. I know.

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That was yeah.

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Next next year.

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Next time.

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Next year. Um okay, so Voice Our Village, getting straight to it. What what events are we thinking about?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

What events are we thinking about? Too many? Well, one one which I'm not going to this year. Um, I don't know if it's one you'd want to go to, but I've always wanted to go to NAB. And I don't know what it's the National Association of Broadcasters. It's in Vegas, and it's there's two reasons I want to go. One is it's because it's all broadcast companies, technology, like it's all stuff that I'm super interested in. And two is it's where a lot of the the YouTube people and channels and stuff that I like follow, and some that I'm like sort of friends with. It's just a there's so many people there that I actually want to meet and hang out, kind of like the eCam event. So it's like the conference is relevant and the people are relevant, and I want both. I almost got to go in. I think I was going to get to go in 2020, and then everything got cancelled. Um, and that was also hard because it would I have to take like time off work at the time, and it was a whole thing. And now I think NAB's coming back this year, but half of like the exhibitors and the vendors have pulled out, so it's it's a very small scale-down version, and I'm just like, uh, I'll wait until it's it is what it's supposed to be. So that's one that I would like to do. It's probably more of a next year thing. Uh social media marketing world Heather's been to. I never have. It sounds like from people who have gone, once you've gone once or twice, you're kind of like other than meeting people and connecting with them, the conference stuff you might be kind of like good on, but I've never gone. It seems like a really fun, not fan service-y event, so I'd kind of like to go to that. But that would be a year from now, because it's it's literally happening right now, so it'd be like right now. It's social media marketing world?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Oh, I thought sorry, I thought you were so talking about it.

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NAB is usually April.

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Oh, okay.

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And I think it's happening in April, but I am not gonna go this year.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

You're looking at VidCon right now.

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Yeah, and like I it sucks because the first year I went to VidCon, it was so it was like it was life-changing, seriously, because it was it just it was everyone that I watch, but then also like the commun, like the creator community in every shade, and it was so awesome to be around. It was just like it was so nice, and then um, I think the first year I went was 2017, and then every year after that, it just uh started to change. Um, I think VidCon got bought out, and then it just uh started to really cater towards the fandom of YouTube, and then I think even this year YouTube isn't even a sponsor anymore. I think it's weird, it's all just TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Oh, that's really weird.

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Yeah, so I I'm a little like man, I don't know, and then I'm looking at the list of um let me how do I screen share this? I'm looking at the list of people, the creators, and like I don't know any of these people.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Which doesn't mean that you that you couldn't find someone you're interested in, but I don't wait, no like there's a there's there's just so many people that I have never heard of. Um I've never felt so. Yeah, just familiar names.

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Yeah.

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Jarvis is there. I met him at VigCon last time.

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Yeah, there's there's a lot of people that like I don't know. It's just a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

It's a nice varied group of people. I guess everyone's like young, but other than age related, there's a nice variety of people.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

There's actually a lot of people, and there's more too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Wow. But yeah, I I went one time in 2019 and it was fun, but it's like it was so fan heavy, which is fine. Like, if you're a fan, you want to just go geek out over people you're excited about, like that is a fun thing to do, but it's hard when you're like, hey, I want to, I don't know, like I remember went to a panel that was on like I don't know, equality and representation and YouTube or something along those lines, and then it's like you're also seeing middle schoolers screaming for David Dobrik or something, and it's just like it's different, it's different crowds, yeah. And yeah, so that's why social media marketing world actually appealed to me.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

Uh there's no kids.

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Well, because I I've not been interested in it because I'm not hugely interested in like social media marketing, is not a thing that like I excel at or am ambitious towards or anything, but so much of the sessions, the content, and everything is actually focused on stuff that is relevant to me, and so many of the people both going and attending are people that I admire and I'm interested in, and it's all like I guess you would call that industry side, it's not fan side, so you don't, you know, you can find people that aren't being swarmed by their fans trying to get autographs and selfies, and you can like sit and have conversations with people, and that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 14:06

My dad went to NAB for 20 years straight. Whoa, going to NAB just finished with NRB.

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Nice NRBQ.

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NAB Gear Heaven when it is full on. Nab is amazing, but yeah, I agree. This year is an impressive.

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I mean, I get it, like they have to bring it back, and it's hard for a company, I don't know, we'll say Canon or something, to plan this out, and they have these giant booths and these giant spaces, and they're not sure if the event's actually gonna happen or whatever, so it's easier for them to just say, we're not going this year, we'll go next year, and just call it.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Uh you guys talking NAB been four times greatest convention on earth, been to Max twice. That was awesome. Max is fun.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah. NAB is just right up.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Well, Max hasn't has been digital. Max has been digital recently, but it was like but is it or what's happening this year?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

I don't know. It's not usually till the fall, so I don't even know if they've announced it.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Hey Patricia, good to see you. Leo, what's up? Good to see you.

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Pay attention, DJI marketing team.

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If I had to deal with TikTok, I would die.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

I think the YouTube fandom was hard enough to deal with, honestly. I don't really know what TikTok fandom would be.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

I mean, like, I kind of it's probably the same, but this is what I liked about VidCon 2017 because there was such a divide between the fandom and the creator community. Like you can you could go into the you know the fandom, which was on a separate floor. So it's physically in the same place, it was physically divided, and then every year after that they started to blend even more, and then I think people some fans caught on like, oh, if I buy the creator pass, I have uh you know more of a chance to access my favorite creators, and it then it I don't know, then it just got crazy. Um but with YouTube not being a main sponsor, I feel like you know, I don't as weird. I've never downloaded TikTok, so I have no interest in in like you know being around that. Uh Megan's here, what's up? Go, Johnny Go, hello. Um, I think NAB happens during the week, so they only get people that can actually take off the week. Yeah, that's the thing with social media marketing world too, is that like not it takes place during the week, and then also the price is like you know, a couple hundred bucks, like slightly prohibitive, yeah, like six hundred, seven hundred dollars maybe. Um, actually don't know how much it is, but VigCon's like, I I think there's a hundred dollar ticket, so yeah, it's during the summer, yeah. Yeah exactly. Uh let's see, Sammy's here, what's up?

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Uh oh Robotrick said I recorded my voice to get used to it so strange. That's good because it just takes more and more time to get used to it. Doesn't mean you'll come to love it, but it the more you get used to it, then you move on.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Melanie's here. What's up, what's up? Um is there anything else that we would consider going to? Um, what do you guys are you guys thinking about anything?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Because yeah, maybe there's ones we don't know. There's the podcast movement. Oh that's gonna be in August in Texas. Uh that's pretty cool. It was in it was in Nashville last year, I believe. Um and Buzz Sprout was gonna offer I think they were gonna offer us to go, but I was just like, I don't want to travel a year ago, was just not feeling good about it. But I think they change.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Is it this?

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Uh yeah, Dallas. They change their location every year, which is uh which is pretty cool. The thing I like about conferences and stuff that I kind of forgot about because I used to go to so many for teaching. Um, what I like and what I remembered at the eCamp thing is it's really fun to get people out of their element. So get people with a common interest out of their element. So, like a couple years ago, Heather and I learned how good it is to do staycations. Like, we just stayed at a resort. It's actually we're supposed to get married.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Um, and it's like, why would you pay money to go stay at a place that's like kind of next to your house? And the reason is, is we figured out we can say, hey, we're gonna stay home and take it easy and have like a home vacation, but you're always you're not fully, right? You're not fully in vacation mode. You're always going to feel like there's a little laundry I could do. Hey, we made some food, I should probably do the dishes. Like, oh, maybe I could just answer an email. Like, you're always gonna just kind of have one foot in the normal everyday mindset. And so by taking yourself out of your element, going somewhere else, all that disappears and you focus on things totally differently. And that's kind of what I like about conferences is you have a whole bunch of people who have a similar interest, but they're all out of their element, so they're not, they're excited because it's different, you know, everybody's traveling and you know it's a little wonky, people are meeting for the first time, and nobody is in there, like, well, I should go do laundry and like go grocery shopping, like that mindset. And so everybody just focuses on the thing, and it's really nice because like at the eCAM event, for example, for the most part, everybody we talked to who came up to us, there's like this assumed everyone's speaking the language, yeah. There's this assumed level of knowledge or competency.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

And one of the things that Tom hates is when people ask him, like, what do you do for your job? What does it mean to be a YouTuber?

SPEAKER_01 19:25

We've talked about that like at the at the barber shop where they're just like, hey, yeah, so you know, are you off today? That's all it's like the question that like hairstylists are told to ask, Are you off today? I don't know what to say. Um, and then you just have to explain to them because they have a seven-year-old niece who wants to be a YouTuber, and you're like, I'm a 36-year-old guy. I promise it's not quite the same as what your need like but when it's someone James walked up to us at the ecamm thing, it's like we already have we already know what each other does, and we already have an understanding, each other's concept, speak the same language, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

And it's like, I don't know, it's just it's nice. It was we always knew it was nice, but like especially not seeing anybody for like two years, and so many of the people that we did meet are people we met online in the past two years. It's just really uh it just felt so good.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Because whenever you do anything, especially this kind of stuff, it can feel like you're sort of isolated. You have your friends that you talk to online, but in your in your physical life, you can if you don't know aren't lucky enough to live with somebody, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Probably no one cares about what you're doing as much as you do, right? Yeah, but you go to something like this, it's like everyone has a camera out. I didn't have a phone holder, boom. Someone else, like five other people in the room have a phone holder mount, you know, so I can quickly live stream. Um you know, like it it's just it's so cool and just the energy and you know, I don't know. It's it was it was just really invigorating.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Can I um oh no, never mind. I was thinking of something, but I'm good. I was gonna do a little show and tell segment, but we don't need to do a show and tell.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Okay, uh voiceover. Have either of you attended podcast segment. Yeah, so no, but we're I don't know maybe maybe this year, maybe August. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Vidcon, I the thing with VidCon, because I see Dave's comment where he says I was pondering VidCon, but yeah, it sounds awful. Um the thing I learned when we went is I and this is I wish you had gone when I like it.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Yeah, there was that, but there's the you can have the fan or whatever, like the community pass, the creator pass, or the industry track, and it's almost like now you kind of need to get the industry on the industry one, which sucks because it's like you know the most expense, like twelve hundred bucks or something, and it's meant for uh like like a canon or yeah, like a canon or road or so, like it's it's for the the people who make the stuff for the for the industry, uh, and they have their own. Talks and the creator track has its own talks and the community track obviously has its own talks. But when you when you have the industry pass, it's like literally on the third level. You can't even go up the escalator if you don't have the you know the right pass and stuff, and you're just away from the craziness that is yeah, the you know the creator fandom, which is is really cool to be around because it's a reminder of like how powerful yeah, there's nothing wrong with the fan side of things. Yeah, it's just it's a lot of screaming girls.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

But if that's not what you're going for, it's you know, like we we did see, and I know this this this was 2019, so things are a little different now, but we did see we kind of walked by as like David Dobrik was doing a I don't know what you would call it, uh not a talk, like an interview, I guess. He was like sitting on a couch and someone was talking to him, and we were just trying to like squeak by and like go to where we were going, but it was literally like the Backstreet Boys in 1999 were performing, like packed in peep people, mostly middle school, high school kids, screaming at every word and screaming, like literally at one point David uh stood up from a chair and went over and sat on a different chair, and it was like crazy. And it was like seriously, it was like some famous guitar player unleashed the craziest solo you ever heard, and it was like people were screaming. I was like, he switched chairs. Um, also, he seems kind of awful, but that's a separate issue.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Uh I'd only go to a video conference again if this community was there to meet up. There's there's a part of me that's like maybe we just call it social media marketing world next year. Let's do what eCam didn't.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Well, let's stop any, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

But I think Ecamm had the right idea because Yeah, like we invite if like let's say Ecamm does this the same thing next year, just create more. Let's go. Like, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah, you know, or or even if it's not the same thing that Ecamm did, but the idea of finding an event that a lot of your community is going to be at, and then positioning yourself there so that way because the thing that was really cool about Ecamm was they weren't launching a product, they weren't showcasing anything, they weren't announcing anything. It was literally just they rented a really cool space. Yeah, um, they set it up as kind of a creator lounge so you could meet and hang out, but then you could also like people were doing workshops one day, and there was even a little area, like if you wanted to stream or something, you could go stream, but they just set that up for fun. But there was no other like pressure, you know, and it was free too.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Um yeah, there wasn't even like talks or seminars or I mean there were little workshops, there were like I mean well the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Yeah, the the first night was just a hangout session, there was nothing, it was just eat food, hang out, and talk. The second day was more of that, but with a few workshops there too. Um, but it's cool because if you plan on hosting an event and you people are gonna travel somewhere, like, well, if someone's traveling, we gotta make it worth their while. Uh so we have to like organize things, and if we organize things, that means then you have to rent more spaces and you have to equip more spaces and you have to the start paying for insurance. Like it gets so it gets big very fast.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

The Saviro Lab, why wait until 2023 for the JCM meeting? Let's do it sooner, make our own conference.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Well, it's just the travel thing because people are spread everywhere, so that's why if we attach it to something else, people are already coming, or at least more willing to come. You know, like everyone who came to the e-camp thing, a lot of them went to social media marketing world, so they flew on a plane not to just hang out for a few hours at a thing, but to then spend the rest of the week at a conference. And I I would feel less guilty about that, you know, if somebody flew out to hang out at a JCM meetup for five hours and that was it.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

I mean, but what if we did like a three-day thing?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

But we've we've it's the the logistics behind it aren't something I'm even be uh almost ready to wrap my head around because that's venue and insurance and planning and money and like I don't even I I'm not equipped to to do that at the time at the current time. I I know you're looking at me like come around to that, but what if you didn't have to take care of logistics? How would that be possible?

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Like, I'll handle it.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

It's so much. Um, I I think, especially in the world where things are barely starting to open up and everyone's dipping their toes in. I would rather dip toes a little bit more before jumping into the deep end.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Like, I really want to make it happen. We will make it happen.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

At some point, I would 100% love.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

That's what I'm gonna call it 2023 uh at the latest.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

I would love to make something like that happen, but it's baby steps.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Maybe they'll have to come to the US for a year, see all these amazing people, see loads of conventions, only scarably. Uh just realized that the live stream is an hour early. Our oh, daylight savings will begin in two weeks. I was a little confused.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Gotcha. I think the US is currently voting. It didn't pass.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

No, they've been doing that forever. What do you think about the NAM conference? Lots of gear, lots of fun.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Oh, yeah, NAM. Uh is it is it National Association of Music Makers, Musicians? NAM is is where you find a lot of like guitars and amps and um National Association of Music Merchants. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

Oh, that sounds fun.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Yeah, NAM is cool. I always watch videos from NAM because I knew about that before any of these since I started playing guitar in high school, and NAM is where a lot of companies will announce their lineups for the year.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

I had not brought my jump rope, but I jumped up when I got home.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Uh she still didn't miss a day. She jumped rope before he left and jumped over when we got home.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

I've been jumping a thousand jumps a day since January. Not to brag or anything, but I've been going to convention for 40 years. Gosh, I'm old. I just signed up to go to the World Cup in Qatar for a month because the pay was insane.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Wow, you get paid. That's pretty cool. The cool thing about going, I've not gone to conferences for four years, but the longest conference I went to was a career technical education conference. I went there eight years in a row. And it's fun to see the relationships you build up when you go to the same conference repeatedly. And it's also fun to see how things change. Like I think it was Todd said his dad went to NAB for 20 years in a row. Like when you think about the the cool new things that NAB was showcasing 20 years ago versus 20 years later, it's crazy. I've seen photos from it in the 80s where it's like walls of CRT televisions and tape cameras, and it's like it's so well.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

So here's the thing. Here's another thing I want to manifest. Because this is a this is this has been a dream of mine since the very first day I met Tom. Straight up. Like even in our first street.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

I think this is a more achievable one.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

In our first live stream that we ever did together, where we first met in person. I said that we would be doing a talk together at some kind of event or conference or something about digital media or digital literacy. I don't know what our topic would be, but I would love to still do some kind of like Heather and Tom are speaking at this thing. I want to prepare a presentation. I feel like whatever we make would be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Feeling jealous of the people who were setting up for their eCam workshops, and they were like, that is really fun. It's so interactive, it's so special because everyone wants to be there. So it's like teaching, except the class is voluntary.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Yeah, like everyone who's there wants to be there. Yeah. But like, what if, like, you know, we we were going to be speaking at a thing, and then that could be the thing that we can piggyback off of.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

That makes more sense.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Because then, like, oh, come to the talk, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Not just for us, but since we're gonna be there.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

If it's something that that other people, you know, like coming to our thing, but then you also get the benefit of all this other stuff that this event has to offer. I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Let's see. That's the best part about conventions, like-minded people. I know some local filmmakers, but not YouTubers, so conventions are nice. Yes. Hi, Rio Pel Room.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Hello.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Um, let's see. I was so lucky to have gone to Playlist Live in 2012 before it became two-packed with fangirls. Yeah, I never went to uh playlist live, but I remember it was like VidCon and Playlist Live. Those are the two that people always talked about. Um maybe because I work with VIP, I'm never impressed. I'll partner with you on the event next year. Let's talk.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

There you go. James will make it happen.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

James, let's talk. Let's talk. Let's make it happen. Yes, I think Ecamp did awesome next year. Robotrix. What? Oh, girl screaming, that happens all the time with this person. Um, I can't deal with lots of noise. You know who can't deal with lots of noise?

unknown 30:49

Tom.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yo, noise, crowds, bright flashing lights doesn't work for that.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

There was a there was a point in VidCon where he was like, I need to just chill for a second because it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Like overstimulation happens fast.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Yeah, I think it comes from my parents being teachers. I've got a really strong voice. I use it all the time in the hallways because people just yell and scream.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Teacher voice. You inherited the teacher voice.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

There's a conference in the app dev world that happens around the same time as WWDC, since lots of devs are already there for Apple. Like WWDC.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Worldwide Developers Conference.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Um do you know how much work it is to put on a conference? Yeah. I know I know that I know.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

But that's why baby steps. You piggyback off something, you sign up to do a talk at a conference, you do baby steps, and then it becomes manageable.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Yeah. I love the idea. We both love the idea, but to get from here to like the event is happening, there's so many. There's like it would take over everything. It would just be there's enough.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

I it's not quite the same, but when I was teaching, my students did so many competitive events for these organizations we were part of. And a lot of it was when we would go to the events, the advisors would have to help run some of the things or whatever. And it's like you're kind of to make sure the event happens, you just end up being a customer service rep for some of the time. And you know what I don't want to do?

SPEAKER_03 32:08

That yeah, yeah, like yeah, if we ever were to do just create more event, I would love there to be event organizers because it would take away from for from our experience, you know, having to to find somebody's registration form and yeah, it's like you need someone else, like there needs to be a designated person. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Uh for the JCM meetup, I suggest a nice local place. Trust me, it'd worth it worth it to come. Uh don't worry, Tom, let's just do something.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Right. I know that's the ultimate answer.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

I'm on board to help Heather. Yeah. Well, it'll it'll happen. We put it out into the universe.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

I mean, the way Ecamm did it was brilliant. That's brilliant. What's up, Sean?

SPEAKER_03 33:01

What's up? Uh let's see. Music merchants. Music merchants, thank you. It's going to Christmas con. NAB, let's go. Raphael are you going?

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I imagine Raphael would or has gone to NAB. Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Susie cakes in the fridge, yes, sir. I was just eating it. Um Tech Troublemaker, good to see you. That would be so cool if you guys did a talk. I I'm telling you, we should make it happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

That would be fun. 85 through 95 is when Todd's dad went. He was a broadcast engineer. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Oh wow. That's I this is what I would never want to do is a TED talk.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Well, there's two kinds of TED Talks. I don't know if you knew that. Well, TED Talks are sort of told me. Yeah. Because there's TED Talks and there's TED X talks, and they are different. Because a TED talk, I believe, I could be wrong, but from what I understand, TED Talk is you are invited for a reason to give a talk by the organization because you've done something or contributed something or have something to offer. A TED X talk is uh I think you pay $10,000, you just pay to give a talk, and it's a TED TEDx talk. So a lot of time organizations will pay and then they'll find someone to give their talk or whatever. But the thing about that is just remembering that when you watch a TED X talk, of which there are great ones, it is just sort of like pay-to-play, so it's not necessarily vetted on accuracy or anything, it's it's somebody had the money to. It's kind of like those Star Walk of Fames where it's like, yeah, you could get the Lifetime Achievement Award and get your name in it, or you paid $25,000 to get your name in it. You know, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

I was trying to see what the deal is with uh Adobe Max. Adobe Max. Because that'd be a fun one.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

That is a fun one.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Yeah. As much my oh Adobe. Adobe. Because as much as I hate Adobe's billingslash subscription system, that's a separate department. Yeah, their applications, their technology, their set is so good. Yeah. They they premiere. We'll see. But everything else is so good.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

I know, but they're like at the forefront of the of like creator stuff.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

When we went to Adobe Max, they had a whole session which was hosted by Kumeel Nanjiani. So that was very fun. Uh, where it was just Adobe developers from different departments showcasing like not finished experimental ideas and things. Some of them we've seen since released an application since then, but it was really cool just to see them like this is what we're trying to do, and we think we can do this, and they do a quick little demo or whatever, and it's like, gosh, it really makes you appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Uh let's see, Leo. I can't wait to finally travel to the US for the first time with at least sometime this year. Would love to meet all the awesome creators in person. Please let us know when you come. We definitely need to meet up. That'd be awesome. And you guys need to, I need to see this collab.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Did you oh man, go to Leo's Instagram and look at the automated robotic camera thing he created? It's insane.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

Uh stimulation is a wild thing. I'm with you, Tom.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Inherited a teacher voice or just learnt it from watching my parents.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah, that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Uh Peter Gregg, how are you? Love the live chats, thumbs up.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Um, Peter, did you order the Mac Studio?

SPEAKER_03 36:22

My friend has run an anime convention in Orlando for years, and every year it drees the hell out of me. That's the thing. Like when you yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

When you're the person running it. When you're that's why, like being a speaker, where it's like, okay, I have my thing that I need to prepare for.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

But you don't have to think about anything bad.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

I don't care where the restrooms are. I don't care who's passed and go through. I don't know if someone lost their meal ticket. I just need to go make sure my thing is as good as it can possibly be.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

Will you or have you done on other platforms meetings in Zoom with communities, a stream with community in Zoom or Ecam? I mean, we do in Just Create More.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Yeah, we've done Zoom and Just Create More.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Yeah, we should do more of them.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Yeah, we should do more of them.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

Uh, we'd love to meet everyone in this CMC here. I mean, we we will make it happen. Everybody, manifest universe, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Raphael said do a Disneyland meetup. Talk about expensive, but that would be fun. We're dying to go to Disneyland.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

I know. That'd be awesome. Bailey, I remember one of the episodes of Thomas Folk podcast, you guys made to finish an event plan and then COVID happened.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Because we even had like a space that was We had a venue. Yeah, that was we had like a local venue that was going to be able to be like basically donated. So that helped a lot. Um, but none of that is the case anymore.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

So like I can never I am not at the point where I could wrap my head around a just cream or con, you know, like a convention.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

I feel like that's we don't want it to be a Tana Con.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

I it's just the fire festival. I want to get people together. I would like there to be a designated time for us to learn from each other, but also hang out, like a structured meetup. Yeah. Uh but a whole con is I mean, for yeah, it's just there's just so much. And we're two people, and one of them is not into logistics.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

I am, I like when it I'm into logistics so much that I recognize when something is beyond me and then I know that like enthused domain. Enthusiomania just create enthusiasm. I was hoping Apple would buy Adobe. Yeah, I can't imagine that it's just oh there's so much to love about Adobe, but did not order studio. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

Yes, uh looks like there could be a client project sooner we'll have to travel to the US. Oh, perfect!

SPEAKER_01 38:48

That's crazy. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Yeah, I was just thinking today how I've never gone to Disneyland. Really? Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Disneyland, it's other than being wildly expensive, it's so fun. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

Yeah. Um I've helped put on Tony Robbins and Gary V shows, it gets crazy in logistics. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Yeah.

unknown 39:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Because it's it's just exhausting. If you're running like you don't sleep for however many days it is, and the planning you've you plan for six months.

SPEAKER_03 39:22

Like, but like, okay, so not that that can't be fun in itself. If this is still happening, but Tom and Doc Rock of Ecamm were a few months ago we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

I think that might have been this the thing this weekend. I don't know. Um, but we were talking about doing like a um like a creator. It was more like a working weekend. So it wasn't it wasn't going to a conference, getting super psyched about everything, and then going home and kind of like forgetting about what you did and like needing to find time. It was like that's amazing you're gonna show up, and yeah, by the time you're done, you're gonna leave with something that might be a channel that's set up and published. Uh it might be, you know, a whole e-camm package that's ready to go, a video that's done. Like you're leaving with something that you've done that you've made. Um, rather than like one person talking and everyone down here, it's it's almost like a class.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

That sounds fun.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

That doesn't sound fun.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

Um do you know how TEDx got its name? Kind of like history. I don't know how it arrived. I don't know either.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

I just thought that uh there were, I can't think I was gonna say there's nine other TEDs and then 10 10, Ted Ten showed up. TED X, but that's stupid. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

I want a vacation in the desert to come hang hang out with some JCM folks for a few days. Everyone gets their own hotel and meals. Yes, structured meals.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

The good news with the desert is there's tons of resorts and hotels everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

We are a destination.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Tourism is number one, like economics.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

Tourism is our thing, so yeah, we we definitely like if you guys are coming to Coachella.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

We have tack it on to Kochia. I don't know how many people in our uh couples table community are going to Coachella, uh, but it's like down the street from us, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

So um, yeah, y'all should listen to release notes podcasts. They discussed how they ran a conference in some of their earlier episodes. Um, Apple doesn't reinvent the wheel if they don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

Oh, me too, Bailey. It was flooded with Mac Studio videos today because they started getting delivered and everything.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

A Disneyland meetup would be great. If VidCon does a Disneyland meetup, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Well, because I mean Disneyland works, it's just the destination, and then you just find a place nearby and like have your meetup and then or just go with the group and then you go to the group, go to Disneyland and ask the group.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

Just have a barbecue at the house. That would be the easiest thing, honestly. Just come over, guys. Like we got the space.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

I mean, we don't have space for hundreds of people. We also gave away our barbecue on Super Bowl Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

I did a content creator meetup with the Fee Creators last year where we all made enough content for three months.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

That is amazing. See, that's the thing. Like, if you go home and you actually have something to show for it, instead of usually what happens is my brain gets so overloaded with everything I learned. And guess what? I never open the notes.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Yeah, I have all the notes, I'm so excited, but then you travel home, you're exhausted, you have to get back into your daily life. By the time you come up for air, to like, yeah, what happened to the conference? You're like, I don't want to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

Um, I'd attend a Heather and Tom bandcamp.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

I'll teach you how to play the drums out of time.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Uh what is happening? That's uh that's a street sweeper. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

I I heard that guy's late today. He must have overswept.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

My there's this curl right here that is like looking great. Going, where are you going? Like fall in line.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Unfurl the curl.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

Sorry, sorry, sorry. TEDx is for external, non-official events. Those are still good, but they just give the opportunity to everyone to have their TED Talks. We have our local TEDx conferences, those are our objects.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

TEDx turn that makes so much sense. Thank you, Peter.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

A wealth of knowledge. A gentleman and a scholar.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

I mean, I think we should, I think we should when does it when does it become official? Like, what if we did like, okay, Tom and I are gonna be in this city.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Okay, so here's uh when when And you can meet us up, but everybody's adults, everybody's their own person, but when I was teaching, if you had an event, if you were hosting an event with students, god what a nightmare. The the amount of forms, the amount of fists, permission slips, that, all the other things.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

Yeah, they're minors.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

And it well, yeah, of course. I mean, with good reason for the most part, but like at the end of the year, you know, if I had taught a yearbook class, a lot of the yearbook staff would want to have like a banquet or get they just want to go to a restaurant together. And if we did it through the school thing, we'd have to start playing. Planning it months. Whatever. And so I won't lie. A few times what we did was like, I would just say, like, hey, I'm I'm super excited because this Friday we're I'm going to the Cheesecake Factory at 6 p.m. And I can't wait to eat at the Cheesecake Factory at 6 p.m. And then a few other people would be like, Wow, that's crazy. Because like I'm going to the cheesecake factory at 6 p.m. And then we would just happen to run into each other there. And then it's like, well, gee, if we're all here, we might as well just hang out and enjoy the end of the year together. And you know, that was unofficial. Um I think it becomes official. I mean, it's a gray line, but I think like so, like what ECAM did. They rented a space.

SPEAKER_03 44:45

They invested money, they rented a space, they paid for food, they um but that that was like to me, that was an awesome event because it was just like we just have to get the space for two days and we can do whatever.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

I think it becomes official if people are paying for tickets because that's when it's like you have your registration, you're there. Ecamm rented a space, and it was kind of like whoever happens to wander in during these hours happens to wander in.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Um yeah, but it I mean it also was official.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I mean it's officially an e-camm thing, but it wasn't like a conference and like a big event.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

So what if we did something like that? Where we just That's what we've been talking.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

So that's what we've been talking about.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

No, I mean like because okay, there's like casual, like, hey, let's all go Disneyland on the same day, and we just happen to be going Disneyland on the same day. Then there's convention where it's like there's a whole registration, you know, deposits and all this craziness. But maybe there's something in the middle where it's like I'm just gonna steal Ecamm's idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

That's all.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

But I mean, do you think that's doable in 2022?

SPEAKER_01 45:51

2022? I don't know, 2023 for sure. And and the reason I say I don't know is just because of what events there are.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

Like we get sponsors.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

I but I'm I mean, tie it into I I I I don't want to get sponsors and stuff in 2022. That's not a thing. I've I don't have the bandwidth. Um, but tying it on to an another existing event I think is brilliant. There's no pressure. Otherwise, it's just gonna be expensive and stressful. And you know what I don't want? Things that are expensive and stressful.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

Uh okay. I once had a kid's birthday party at Chucky Cheese, so I have major life event coordinator experience. Um, I went to the meeting. Charles Entertainment Cheese conference on Tuesday. It seems so easy to set up, but being part of events, fundraiser things for school is just so difficult.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

We'll hold a local podcast-related event on the Hungarian Podcast Day. Should give a keynote speech in October.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Hungarian Podcast Day, is that a thing?

SPEAKER_03 46:53

You guys have a podcast day? How come we don't have a podcast day?

SPEAKER_01 46:56

We probably do. Every day is something. It's like National Cheesecake Day, National Left-handed Dog Day. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Dude, Cheesecake Factory is cheesecake.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Cheesecake Factory is great. Like, there's so much stuff from the rolls.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Anyway, I I really wanna I really want to do something. I got I got the itch to do something.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Yeah. Things are fun.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

I I don't the the problem is I have zero event planning experience aside from coordinating my own birthday bashes. Uh, but to like, you know, do it for a business, I've no idea. I don't even know what steps to take.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

So I've done it for schools and it sucks. But that's also there's a lot more bureaucracy.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

There's schools and there are and like the one thing that that Tom and I like for everything in life, personal or professional, we always want to do it our way. Like we want it from the entire start to finish experience, we would want it to be something that, like, oh, if if we could have our own event, what would it look like? Yeah, you know, and it obviously it's gotta be fun and you know, just the way that we would do it. To figure that out would take a lot of time.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

So I don't know. But 2023.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Can I maybe I should do a little bit of show and tell before we wrap up? I'm gonna do it because I feel that it's related. I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

That sounds like you were an absolutely fantastic teacher, right? For my work, I'm currently planning events for the fall. So if you really wanted something in 2022, you would want the early stages dot out within the next month. Yeah, we're not gonna do 2022. We can't. I ran a theater conference in college. I volunteer to help run it. Oh yeah, I totally forgot. So in college, I ran a lot of events. Um but I don't know, this just seems like such a different beast, especially when you know that people are coming from out of town. Uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I need to we need to start like uh an event group in just create more, like in the Mighty Networks app. And if you want to like help or brainstorm for whatever the future event is, we could just start dumping ideas in there. Uh let's see. Q. Let me search the Q.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Wait, Q conference? Oh, yeah, that's in Palm Springs. Wait, is that what we're talking about? Oh, Q. Sorry, there's Q conference is computer using educators. Probably not what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

Uh all those in, raise their hands. Yeah, I know we need to head to Atlanta too.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Yeah, there's so many people we know in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

I know. Anyway. Well, here's what we're gonna do. In the Just Create More community, I'm gonna create an event group. And uh if you want to, I don't know, just contribute ideas.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Brainstorm.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Yeah, you could just hop in there and either way, we're gonna make this happen. Like, I I really want it to happen. Okay, show and tell time. Show and tell time.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Yeah, so this is why I think this is cool.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

So sorry.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

Bailey.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Um sorry, last thing. Okay, last thing. This is homework for everybody. Save up now because like we're gonna charge so much money. No, but we want we want like it's probably not gonna happen very often, you know. Like, we're gonna have the one just create more event, and we would love for as many people to go as possible. So let's start.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

All right, okay, here we go. I can tie all this together. So we went to the eCamm event, and like Heather said, a lot of those people are people we've met in the past two years. One of the strongest things about eCamm is the community that's a part of it, and that community's been around because I learned eCamm as a company has been around for 22 years. I did not know that. They started making Palm Pilot apps. Um, but the the community, kind of as we know it, as its strongest resource, is something that really like came together during the pandemic because eCamm became such a vital tool, and even post-pandemic, that's something that you know it's it's like uh you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. Like people want to keep doing it. And so it's cool. I feel like that's such a community, not unlike just create more, or even like the couples table community, where you start to feel like you build different level relationships with people beyond just like I reckon I saw them on the internet. Like you really feel sort of differently. And so Doc Rock is someone who's been in our couples table, we met him through the couples table actually, and then he's the eCamm like community guy and and all kinds of stuff. Uh, I hope he's okay with me sharing the story. If you're not Doc, I apologize, but I mean, you don't it he's fine with it. So Doc came from Hawaii to the eCamm conference, and he brought two things. I'll put one here. See if we can I'll put one here. Oh, wait, you can't see that. I'm gonna have to put it in front of you. Yeah. Oh. I'll just put it right here.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

This I don't know what this is, but I've heard of this.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

So Doc Doc gave me two red ones. These are the red one, and there are two of them. Uh are you red, Dee?

SPEAKER_03 52:36

I don't I don't know what this is.

SPEAKER_01 52:37

So it look it these are so heavy and giant. They they remind me actually of like giant lights. Um, but these are I guess the easiest way to put it would be you could call the red one like the first truly pro-level digital cinema camera. So these are from 2007, which is before like DSLRs could shoot video or anything like that. Um, they're 4K cinema cameras, so 4K video in 2007, kind of a big deal. Uh, these were very expensive, they were like $17,000 each back then. Um, and they're I I haven't been able, I haven't been able to, I haven't got I haven't like put everything together because he gave me a whole kitten supply and everything. But basically, Doc has had these around and he was just like, hey, um I I want to bring them to you. So he brought them all the way over from Hawaii and gave them to me. Uh, but that's not it, that's cool. But here's what's really cool. So what's cool? I might be getting some of the story wrong, but my understanding of where these came from were that Doc's dad was into video production and and uh broadcasts and all that stuff, and he bought these when they came out in 2007, and they used them for um for work stuff and client projects and things, so they they got used a lot, and then Doc's dad has since passed away, and they've just had these cameras sitting around, and so I guess Doc was saying he and his brother were kind of deciding like what to do with that. Yeah, do we sell them? What do we do? Like, they're they're still relevant, like they're still 4K cinema cameras in 2022. Um, and a lot of people, like Caleb Pike has a video on this. The image quality still actually holds up to current cameras, it's really nice 4K video, no autofocus, of course, and it needs a ton of light to work, they're not great in low light. The video quality is great. Um but anyway, they were like, well, I don't know if we could sell them for that much, because it's not like they're selling for $17,000 now or anything, they're usually like you know, much less than that, a fraction of that. But it was like they they kind of came to the agreement that it was less about making money off of selling this stuff and more about these things going somewhere where they're gonna be appreciated and their history. You know, there's been like Marvel movies shot on these, the entire social network movie was shot on these. Like they're you can look up like filmographies of the red one, and it's all stuff, movies and TV shows that we've all seen. And they were the first like filmmakers going, hey, this is not film, but it it works just as good and looks just as good as film. And obviously, today most things are shot on digital. Um, so it's kind of crazy to me that these very expensive things that mean a lot to these people and their family and belong to a parent who's no longer around, that with somebody who I only met in person once, but we've known for now several years online and become very close to, would go to the point where it's like, we want you to have this because like we feel like this is a good place for these things to go, because of how much like the connection that we've built over the past few years, just because we're interested in streaming and cameras and and all that kind of stuff. So it was like, aside from being excited to get these fun cameras to play with, it was like wow, like the the connections you make in a virtual space really do translate into the real world in a very tangible way. And it was, I think that like as fun as it is to talk about this event, that event, the other thing. I think that idea of like wow, connecting with all of the real people that you're making connections with is really special and really valuable. And that's that's what on top of everything else, that's what these mean to me, in that.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Aw, that was nice.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

That was my show and tell. You tie it all together.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

That was really sweet. Oh, I love that. I love this story. That's awesome, man. Have fun with those. Aw, yeah. Tom's the next live stream. All right. Can you live stream with these?

SPEAKER_01 56:47

I mean, they have HDMI, they have every output you could think of. They have HDMI, SDI, everything. But they're not like the Sony A7S3. You flip it on and everything's good to go. Like you have to build them out. And I don't know, I don't even know what lenses I could get to put on them, but I I believe they're they're totally working. The crazy thing though is since they're from Hawaii, a lot of the external screws are actually like rusted because of the ocean. Um, so I've been looking up ways to fix that, which is actually super easy.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

It's it's just funny because like you you unintentionally started a retro cam fad collection. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Yeah, collection. And it was just because it purely your interest just followed curiosity.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

His his uh, you know, enthusiasm for opening up uh 20-year-old cameras the same as opening up the newest and greatest and most expensive camera. Um, but I mean that that's another that's another thing with this creator community because number one, not only are are a lot of the people in the creator community really just being themselves, like you could you you're truly able to connect with the people who are just excited about the thing that you're into as you are. And that's like I I have not and we talk about this all the time. I I've not had that in person just because you know you're you're you're just kind of like the people who happen to physically be in your life are just the people who are there. Um, and not that they're like not good enough or whatever, but it's like really cool that you can when you can connect at a different level. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Yeah. I just saw someone showed up in the chat here.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

Oh, doc. You need to like go back five minutes because he did a whole really nice story.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

I hope I hope that that's okay. But you know, if you gave me these, I'm gonna make videos about them. I'm gonna give you credit for being the source of where they came from.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

You need a back up before, like right before these came in the frame.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Isn't it crazy that these were in your place in Hawaii and now they're in Heather's studio in our house?

SPEAKER_03 59:02

That's so weird. Uh that's an inspiring story. I don't know how or what it inspires me about, but it inspires me.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

It's just it's just the like the the connections you make are really fun. So these have PL mounts on it, which are Panasonic lenses. Um I can always just get a Panasonic lens.

SPEAKER_03 59:19

I just got here wise don't cry.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

I think I held it together pretty well.

SPEAKER_03 59:23

I I thought you were gonna, I thought we were gonna see a tear shed.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

No, I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

But you did good.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Is it like a tool shed, but where you keep your tears?

SPEAKER_03 59:30

Uh I didn't see your question, Robot. I thought I answered all your questions, Robot Tricks. Uh the lens cost a fortune.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

Yes, if we're getting the oh because oh my gosh, Matt has this amazing cinema lens. He sent me a photo. He bought like an amazing, I don't know what the proper term would be, but almost like an ENG lens cinema lens. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Watch the replay after this is done. You're in for a real treat. Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

It's like Bloody Mary. I said his name three times.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

Just a thought when it comes to potential meetup in 2023, set the date a long time in advance so that we lives on the other side of the globe have time to plan. Yeah. As soon as like you guys wouldn't will know if even like a fraction of maybe this is gonna happen, we'll just let you know. Because obviously we want as many people to go as possible, and we realize that I would I would even say half this community is is international, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

Yeah, you know who likes planning and making sure things are organized?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Me. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

Wait, Thomas crying?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

I wasn't crying.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

I think Robotri was talking about the thing about Zoom. We we did we did get to that about Zoom. We've we've done Zoom in our community and we should do more Zoom in our community.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

Yeah, in the just create more community, we do Zoom. We will do more. It's just I don't know what we we we should just do a hangout.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Hangouts are fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Will you or have you done other platform meetings in Zoom?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Yeah, that one. Yeah, we did we did talk about that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

Yeah. So last week. Last week we did uh I hosted a Sony ZV1 workshop on Zoom because I I was like, I need to know how to use this. And some people were there and helped me out, and that was awesome. Uh so you know you can bring your pillow and waited blanket with you into a hotel, Heather. Yes, I do know that, but I was like, we're only gonna be there for a day.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

It's one night.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:27

Yeah, it's one night, and I was like, I don't want to have to lug all this stuff, and 100% I should have lugged all the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

I slept like a baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

I've learned my lesson. I was like, I can't, I don't I hate I hate that I'm like high maintenance, but my body is just like I refuse to sleep unless there are certain conditions. I don't know. Uh anyway, bonsoir.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

Bonsoir.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

Bonsoir. Check rental rental houses. They keep all their stuff. I worked in a couple houses during bigger.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Yeah, like yeah, I watched Caleb Pike's video about these and he converted his to an EF thing, but he was like, it was not easy, and I wouldn't recommend it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

So I totally thought we were talking about like Airbnbs.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Oh no, we're talking about like to get the lenses for congrats on the glasses.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

Thank you. Aren't they cute?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

We can shine a bright light in your face and watch them transition.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

Uh had Ben and Finlay do it there. They did great. Yeah, and let me tell you, one of the things that was really holding us back from ever going out of town was uh what to do with Finlay, especially, because Ben's been to the dog hotel, but Finlay hadn't slept there, and he did awesome. We did get the like camera or the hotel where we can check them on the camera, and he didn't sleep in a dog bed, he just slept on the floor.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

They gave him a dog bed, but he didn't use it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

He was like, I'm not gonna do that. But you know, I mean, he he didn't show any signs of distress. Why the hell did you do this to me?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

Yeah, like yeah, and they said they said it took him a while because we've taken him like for the day a few times and he's gotten groomed there, so he's been there several times. Um, they said finally he was starting to like play with other dogs, and it's just you know, we he's a he was a puppy in 2020, so he didn't get the normal socialization that a puppy would, but he handled it great, and he came home and was he was tired, but he was as happy as could be and just excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:20

Like yeah, and let me tell you that was such a such a relief. Such a relief.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

I guess they have like a detention list for dogs, and they're they were like, Oh no, their names weren't on the list, and I got really scared for a second.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

Uh let's see. Um, the vlog was awesome. That's because you were in it, it still trips me out watching it because I'm like, I can't that voice is like it's just I've only heard it on a phone, and to hear your voice in the same frame as Tom was like, it was just so good meeting you, man. Uh hangout is the words I was missing. Hangout, yeah. Yeah, we we'll do a hangout.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Do you have something in front of your Z V1 to make it wider?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:02

Yes, the Ulanzi lens? Yeah. I don't even know where my oh, it's in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

It's uh it makes it because the the Z V1's a 24mm at its widest, and the Ulanzi makes it uh 14 or 18. It makes it it makes it pretty wide because the problem, especially sorry, the problem is that um once you because you need active stabilization turned on so that it's nice and smooth.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

I get hella motion sickness.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:31

And in order for the active stabilization to work, the camera has to crop in a lot, and so 24 millimeters is like barely wide enough to use, and then you crop in a lot, and it's really hard to use if you're filming yourself. So that wide angle adapter makes a huge difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:46

Um, I was so scared with my glasses when I got them that with the softbox they would tint and hey, don't yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

Yours haven't done anything in here.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

This is my first time uh on camera with them.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Yeah, they look great.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

Yeah, I'm happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

Yeah, they do look great.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

Heather, just want to say that you're doing a great job on the vlogs. Always enjoy watching them. That really means a lot coming from you, Leo. So thank you. I have to say, with this past vlog, I was like, it was it was just so much, right? Like we're out of town, and it was definitely one I was overthinking because I was like, okay, there's the e-camp stuff, and there was all these creators that we met, and like you know, you guys had a 13-minute talk on camera, and then like we also I was like, does anyone care that I picked up my Warvey Parker glasses? Like, do I include plus the cake, plus the dogs? And it was it was really hard trying to figure out like what do I include here? And I'm really I'm taking the time to say this because I was telling Tom this actually. I was like, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:50

Just create more um I don't I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

I guess the thing I want to say is like stop. Overthinking. Like, I'm glad I told myself I have to upload this the next day, period. Because there was a big part of me that was like, let me just sleep on it one more night and I'll see how I feel tomorrow. But then I was telling myself, instead of doing that, I should just make the next video. So just get this out. And if people don't want to watch the whole thing, then they won't. And it's no big deal. But what the whole the whole point of this is for us to be able to look back and be like, look how awesome that weekend was. And even if it doesn't make sense or it feels like a jumbled mess, it doesn't matter. People are along for the ride as as far as they want to go. And I'm so glad that um, I don't know, that it was enjoyable because I definitely it was one I was overthinking, and I'm still having such a blast making all of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:46

That makes me happy.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:48

Anyway, thank you. That vlog made me so happy to watch. Yay, thank you, Melanie. I appreciate it. Let's see. Hey guys, just found you a few days ago. Been binging Tom's mic reviews because I'm planning an automotive podcast with two friends. Really love your guys' streams. Keep it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Good luck with your show. Hopefully, hopefully, there's helpful stuff over there.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

No bloopers when Heather read the incubator. I actually did pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Yeah, that's not there weren't that many. I mean, there weren't like hilarious bloopers. It was just sort of it was even her reading it fine and then saying, No, I could do better. Let me just do it one more time. But most of most of the microphones, because I think we did five or six different mics, so she had to read the script five or six different times, but most of them she got on the first try.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

You know why? It's because I've seen that video so many times. I've seen it's like one of my favorite. Yeah, I know exactly like what part of the word to to stress to make it all happen in one sentence.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

It's it's funny, but and we didn't even plan on that. It wasn't until because I was like, was it?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:46

No, because we didn't plan.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

We didn't, because I was like, oh, we just need to talk into the microphone. And she was like, Well, what do I say?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

Let me tell you, doing that video, we should this is a whole thing we should talk about. Doing that video with Tom was a completely different experience because here I am, like Tom's videos I put on a pedestal because you know he he's on a different level. There's there's a there's a like level of excellence that is that is there that I don't I just don't have for my videos, like that the quality, and plus like the the comments that he gets are just comments that I will never get because there's people that are watching that don't watch my channel, right? So like I know for a fact that if I you know one of the things that I get a kick out of is when I zoom in with the zoning zb1, you can hear it. I think that's so hilarious. You know who would probably comment about that on his channel is like a bunch of people being like, oh what a noob or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

I think that's really funny though.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

I think it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

It's like one of my favorite things.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

But people people look at a quality in his videos that I just don't understand because it's a lot of gearheads and and camera people and stuff like that. So so whenever it comes to Tom's videos, I'm very careful about like how I'm participating or you know, the feedback that I'm giving, knowing that this is a different audience that he's interacting with. So when he was like, Hey, do you want to be part of my video? I was like, Yeah, but you need to tell me what to do because I don't know how to interact with these people. Like it's just a different thing. And he was like, Okay, it's a camera test. Go. What am I supposed to say? Like, I have no idea. You need to tell you you can't just I'm not the improv guy, that's all you, you know. So I was like, hi.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

Well, at first it was like, okay, here's the Shore MV7, it's a $250 microphone, and he'd be like, This is me on the Shore MV7, it's $250. And then we're like, Well, you should say more so people can hear your voice. I was like, What do you think? The whole point was to hear a different voice on the microphone, and so you needed to say more so people could hear more. And I was thinking of like, you know, uh, like Curtis Judd always does like poetry, has people like read poetry on mics. Epos Fox does like Lord of the Rings, reads passages from Lord of the Rings. And I was like, oh yeah, people have like long things that they read, and just have the encabulator script right there, so it was like the first mic or two, she doesn't really do it, and then it slowly turns into the case.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

And then it like worked out. But anyway, I was I was I was really like, you you really you need to give me some direction because I I mean I also don't direct like it's always just me.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

I know it's all in my head, I know what I'm doing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

Uh let's see, did you finish the cake that evening? Or we're still working on it. Oh, there's yeah so much left.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

We did weigh it and it was nine pounds.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:33

Uh let's see. Yes, your vlogs are awesome. I re I want to get a real lesson from you. Uh hey Kevin, good to see you. Just shoot, just create. Uh, thanks for an amazing stream. See ya, Bailey. See ya. Uh time to pass out for St. Pie's Day. Bye. One of my VPs complained about me using Z V1.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:56

No one could tell the difference. Yeah. Well, we did the comparison between the FX3 and the Z V1, which wasn't fair because I had the FX3 open to F14 and the Z V1 wasn't. Uh, but most people preferred the Z V1 for vlogging because it was it just looked more vloggy and like people wanted that style. I should have put the aperture on the FX3.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:16

Heather, I would never say anything negative about you. I have class and manners.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:22

You can just tell anyone who gives you criticism that they have no class and no manners. Alrighty. It's not for them. It's just it's just not for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

Anyway, uh, or if the video has a sponsor, read out the sponsor.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

Read. I I did that with an artless video, an artless sponsorship where it was the mystery mic box, and so the artless thing, the artless logo was covering up the microphone, and you couldn't tell which one I was talking into, and I was going back and forth while doing the art list read.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

But it's it's just funny because usually I'm not like usually I don't mind being put on the spot. You could just totally like Heather, go do this, and I just I just go.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:00

When it comes to your channel, it's a completely different thing. Like, even you know, I haven't been on your live streams in a while, but like when I am live, I don't say anything because there's just people, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

People love you on the channel.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:13

I know, but it's like your I don't know. It's just your love.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

I think you're up in your head.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:23

Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:24

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:25

Alrighty. Time to clear a table.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:26

Is it time to clear the table?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

It is time. Oh, and for those of you who listen, I guess if you're this is probably irrelevant considering the schedule of things, but I finally caught up on uploading the audio only versions, which I I have been dropping the ball on because our workflow changed. So between now and next Thursday, four episodes are gonna go up audio only, and then this one will go up the following Tuesday back on the normal schedule. Because normally we do the show on Thursday, audio version of that show goes up on Tuesday. We'll be back in that cycle. But if you're subscribed to the audio version, you're gonna get a lot of notifications over the next few days.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:01

Yeah. All right, guys, take it easy, have fun, yes, and we'll catch you guys next time. Bye.